Election Mafia

On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:

Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch.
Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable.

I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts.

None of my answers for anything or just some of them?
Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of?

On December 13 2011 02:09 risk.nuke wrote:

If you're town then why are you forcing a disussion on this topic which is 100% useless and nothing but a distraction for town.
my fos is valid and it's not the fos'd ones job to question it. It's funny how someone who tells me to "think" before "I" post doesn't have time to reread your own and mark it!!

On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote:
I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can.

@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right?

On December 13 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Secondly the Dues-ex vs risk.nuke is good, I like see'ing two players argue about anything. Its quite helpful. In this argument I think Dues-ex is more logical, but there getting off topic from the election / lynch.

On December 13 2011 03:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote:



And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =)

On December 13 2011 06:51 supersoft wrote:
omg. I see horrible play all over the place.
GUYS!



This post is bullshit! Why is a personal attack suspicious? It's not! He FoSd me for no reason and this is distracting! FoSing around for fun is disturbing. That is simple and true.



"don't give the vets too much credit" nonesense. In fact recent TL.net towns tend to give vets not enough credit and end in a mess because everyone thinks he knows best.

You don't catch scum if you don't see the game as a whole and all the possibilities. You think: "ooh he's plaing agressive - he must be scum" or "ooh he defends himself" that's bullshit. Town and scum react extremely similar when they're under pressure. Some just go afk, some are agressive, some appeal to emotions.

The best way to separate scum from town is the discussion. From time to time scum has to or just accidentely uses "bad" logic, a townie wouldn't think of. They have to push their own agenda. There are nightactions that have to be explained, there are voteswitches that have to be explained and there are elections in this game.
If every townie just posts for the sake of posting like this post for example:



(I mean WTF? you would also argue that Palmar is harder to read than Radfield? WHY?)

On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:
Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again.



Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p

Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.

I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.

On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote:


so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell?

On December 13 2011 15:48 GreYMisT wrote:


The concerns i had with his post was he said "we should lynch lurkers, but we won't find mafia there."

On December 13 2011 23:49 supersoft wrote:


i agree on that. curu is not less active as scum.
however i am not 100% sure about zentor yet but i could imagine that he flips red...

On December 14 2011 10:26 GiygaS wrote:
Out of all the hydras, we basically have a choice: Prof or Deus. The reason I don't want to vote for Deus is what annul just said. Technically, Deus is really just one person executing the gameplan, doing the analysis, etc. while there's one guy who need's a recap of the day to do anything at all. :/ For this reason, I feel Prof is more important to protect from Night Kills. And that's why I'm voting him for pardonner.

On the subject of lynching, I'm going to be voting for either:
Zeks
Zentor (Leaning against this because I feel the case on him is weak but other more experienced people all seem to believe he's mister Scummy McScum)
Risk.nuke (I've already declared my suspicions on him in my defense, and I've looked at his filter a second time and he seems suspicious)

Another point on risk.nuke: he didn't seem at all interested in being a candidate in the first bit, bu tnow that Arc is gone he was almost immediate to go "pick me! pick me!" when he is one of the least likely to get lynched tonight because people are suspecting him. I'll be watching and I'll make my decision from those three soon.

On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.

We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow.

On December 15 2011 01:02 risk.nuke wrote:

26 player game, there is no telling how many protection roles we have but you're missing the mainpoint, if medics will be focusing on 3 people most likely mafia wont be willing to risk going after anyone of us. this is pretty basic. As for me, I am town and if I don't get medic protection or atleast mafia belives there is a chance i am protected and aren't willing to gamble a kp on me I will ket killed tonight. Mafia isn't as slow as town, they know it's just a matter of time before I convince you I am town, it will save them alot of trouble to get rid of me now before I have proven myself town and will have protection.

I think for a 26 man game with we'll have atleast 3 protective roles very possibly more, but I don't know what the blue roles look like. we might have something else to compensate but that doesn't matter. The important part is mafia don't know either and we can discourage them from going after either one of us 3.

Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives.

On December 15 2011 01:15 risk.nuke wrote:
Say what you will but I've forced more reactions out of people then most of you combined.

On December 15 2011 03:40 risk.nuke wrote:

Yes in xlv, but I'm not really sure how he played that game. I am of the understanding that he is a good player, am I wrong becauuse that's the only relevant thing, not if I've played with him before.

On December 15 2011 05:05 zeks wrote:


calm the fuck down

did i say they'd do it with all their members?

im surprised you don't find any of this suspicious one single bit

scum has done dumber shit than you think look at the whole fucking scum team stacking on Palmar/BC in XLVII

okay you're going to be HEAVILY watched now who the hell has called you out other than me and Arc? Now that you got pardoner you should be expecting this shit




calling someone a dumbass is not attacking them. okay.

On December 15 2011 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote:


Could you explain the bolded statement?

On December 15 2011 19:04 cascades wrote:
Let's hope mafia helps kill all the vets for us. =)

On December 12 2011 19:56 Cwave wrote:
Checking in and looking forward to a good game!



I'm running for mayor.


Im still relative new to the TL mafia games but not to online mafia games in general. I post what i think and don't mind taking a leap of faith to get things done. Also, I mistrust anyone by default and have a healthy hatred towards mafiagame-veterans onelining the thread into poop.

I will listen to good argumentation and will execute what the majority wants when they make sense and ignore when it's all clear jibberish. Voting for me gives you an active and open minded mayor, not tainted and bitter by previous TL games and above all, a scumhunter who will not stop once he has smelled a red.

Cwave

On December 15 2011 22:17 cascades wrote:


joke?
joke question.

On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote:
Voting Radfield + Arc

Nothing scummy about their posts so far - although as they are vets its unlikely they'll have any slips this early if they were scum.

On December 13 2011 06:02 zeks wrote:

As good as the vets have proven to be in past games don't just trust them for the sake of their names; look at how they are playing this game. Don't give them (too) much credit

On December 14 2011 11:25 risk.nuke wrote:

It was a response to radfield. I'm reffering to that badass seemed pretty okey with lynching Nisani or Zentor.
Unrelated I am pissed of because nobody listens to me for shit when I say don't lynch Nisani or Zentor but the when someone of the veteran names pop up and say it you're all mesmerized. And surprsingly to me I'm just slightly mad over the me beeing ignored part but more angry at the town for beeing useless and just heed the veterans instead of thinking for themselves.

On December 16 2011 09:31 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +What is the point of this post besides showing every example of people saying things against veterans?

On December 16 2011 09:56 risk.nuke wrote:
Fuck excuses I'm trying to tell the truth
What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that.

I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you.

On December 17 2011 07:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
risk you idiot. theoretically scum could have used that ability and curu is town... however this is extremely unlikely...

On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.

We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow.

On December 17 2011 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Deus to answer your question, I'm leaning scum on you atm. I mean, I appreciate that you're trying to appear scared to die overnight, but the fact of the matter is that while you're decrying Palmogism's actions saying that he's "ruined town atmosphere", you haven't done anything yourself to correct it. You've thrown out token questions of people asking their opinions of others, but you don't appear to be interested in giving any of your own reads to discuss.

On December 17 2011 09:01 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

...have you been reading my posts? If so, the answer to that question should be quite obvious. Although I still haven't received a straight answer on how his play this game compares to his normal town play.

On December 17 2011 14:54 GiygaS wrote:

Wait, can't you not talk or something?

On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:
OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.

In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch


Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?




This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.

MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.

On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha.

And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?

On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha.

And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?

On December 17 2011 19:59 Arctocod wrote:

The whole point of a hydra is that you don't personally have to post at all if you don't want. They may even had had a such an agreement in place. There is nothing wrong with that.

Also it's not a policy lynch at all; curu's play makes him scum and erandorr's absense just made us have a closer look at him. What do you think about MrZentor and Sheth cascades?

On December 18 2011 01:37 GreYMisT wrote:


I don't think you understand when to use ellipses (...).
Anyway I'll be retreading the thread today as well. Suggest everyone do the same.

On December 18 2011 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liquid`Sheth
Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it?

On December 18 2011 06:04 MrZentor wrote:


I thought I proved I was town.
Adding 24 hours of discussion for town is obviously an advantage for town.

On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote:
I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections?

On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote:
Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None.

On December 19 2011 04:35 cascades wrote:
As for Deus, although I can't speak for the rest of the town, rest assured I have an eye on him. I will wait for him to post his town list WITH REASONING though.

On December 19 2011 03:02 GreYMisT wrote:


Just noting this for now, notice how dues (supersoft) said earlier that he is very good at telling my town from my scum, and because of this he would research me. Now notice how he waits for both arcticod and radfield to voice their suspicions before he posts. If he is so sure I am "95%" scum and he has as good of reads as he claims, why not say this earlier instead of waiting for Arcto and rad?

On December 17 2011 17:38 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:


btw. I'd like to have your opinion on the following players:

evantress
bumatlarge
nyczbrandon
GreYMisT
Cwave
tntp

:-)

On December 19 2011 15:31 GiygaS wrote:
Yeah I gave it to Radfield if you couldn't tell. I was most sure he was a townie, didn't think the day roleblocker could roleblock in the night too.

On December 19 2011 15:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Sleep for real this time, gnite :D!

On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster.

On December 20 2011 07:23 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

Would you have an issue with me being elected to one of the positions?

On December 14 2011 10:42 zeks wrote:


79.) supersoft - Vanilla TownieKilled night 2 XLVII

As I said the timing of when you came out to run is fishy and how suddenly you've already gathered a couple votes

As you also said pardoner is a strong role for scum to have. Although he is putting himself under high pressure its high risk high reward. Pardoner can defend himself with words but no way for town to stop a pardoner with pardoning (although we can lynch the pardoner collectively there is no way to stop the action from being done).

It is safe to assume Arc is probably silenced for the duration of night

Your point of restricting voting to only the hydras I agree with totally

Nisani wagon gaining momentum?

On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote:
prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion?

I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game.

On December 17 2011 04:10 GreYMisT wrote:


I'd like to hear your opinions on zeks and TntP as well while we are at it.

I already mentioned what i thought of zeks earlier, but came to the conclusion that he was pretty null in my eyes for the time being. at the moment TntP is not the scummiest candidate out there, but there are a few iffy things he has done, such as publicly announcing that he is letting his friend decide all the votes, which would absolve them of responsibility (thats just another way of playing the newbie card to get out of things). Regardless, the way he is pressuring me seems quite genuine, and the result is that I think there are more important targets out there for us to chase. To humor you though I will read all there stuff in depth when i get the time.

I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?

On December 20 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period.

On December 20 2011 09:22 GreYMisT wrote:


The fact that you think my scum would be this bad is insulting.

On December 20 2011 23:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
until then I don't want you to respond to my questions with your own questions.
I want you to have a look at jitsu and refallen and tell me if they really belong to that scumlist.

On December 21 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:
I second what radfield just said, Evan and Grey should full claim.

If Greymist is medic then I don't want to lynch sheth today. I got a pretty decent townread on alot of players.
Radfield
Giygas
MrZentor
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
GreYMisT

Some other people are saying they got townreads on
zeks
TotallyNotTwoPeople
I haven't looked into this people myself yet but assuming I agree.

Right now I don't want to lynch
Evantrees (waiting for roleclaim)
Sheth

Which leaves
Jitsu
cascades
cwave
comprissant
Refallen
I think we should focus on these today.

On December 21 2011 01:26 GreYMisT wrote:


Like I said if you insist I will claim in full, but please understand that what I am obscuring is only good for town, and that it hampers my ability to act in an elected position. Notice I did not run in any election as I normally do.

On December 21 2011 05:28 jaj22 wrote:
@Deus: Had a look through your filter, and your day 2 defense of Curu/ProfBA is totally baffling to me.

During night 1, you claim that Curu is the scummiest of the veterans/hydras and explain the logic behind lynching him. Then on day 2, you defend him strongly on the basis that lynching him will harm town atmosphere, while still claiming that he's almost certainly scum. The evidence of this game and the one you linked suggests that he harms town atmosphere a lot more when alive than dead.

Then on night 2, you're back to explaining exactly why it was a logical lynch. Really?

On December 21 2011 06:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm back and such. Deus, if you had to pick between Comprissent and Nycz who would you kill? I'm going through all 3 filters now, however I'm on Hydrocodone. So I'm literally WIFOM and I realize that sounds so terrible so your welcome to lynch me instead as I might not be too helpful pretty drugged out. Anyway I hope you don't and I hope these drugs aren't as strong as I remember them. (Its for a bad sinus infection)

On December 21 2011 06:22 GreYMisT wrote:


what do you think of evantrees in the PC position, and you healing deus?

On December 21 2011 06:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Deus, could you summerise everything that makes you town.

On December 21 2011 06:32 zeks wrote:
btw i have security of defense power from Arc

On December 21 2011 06:36 risk.nuke wrote:

No because if we're going to elect you policechief I want to know how your bloody mind works when you write shit like this.

On December 21 2011 06:47 zeks wrote:


Why'd you claim you're on his red list but you're green! loooool

On December 21 2011 06:56 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'll switch to you Grey, and Deus I'd switched to you a bit before I read that! Will just switch to Grey so he can get the second job and switch back if needed.

On December 21 2011 07:37 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

Is this what I think it is?

On December 21 2011 07:44 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

I think it looks like soft-claiming paranoid cop.

On December 21 2011 13:07 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

It was me.

On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Okay, time for a short summary:

1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by
2. MarserBlood now jaj22
3. nyczbrandon
_____

I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game.
Especially:

Myself
10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum.
14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town
19. Radfield obviously
15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam
3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim
11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence
18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence
12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence
22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence

Null:
8. Refallen
5. Comprissent
9. Cwave
these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above.

_______

tonights plan:
I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him
Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed.

On December 21 2011 17:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
mhhh I changed my mind. I am not going to watch Radfield for sure.
I got 3 people on my paper and I am going to roll a dice.

On December 21 2011 06:16 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
oh nvm cascades just voted shet. I think cascades, nyczbrandon and Comprissent are scum.
If Comprissent was town, cascades could have easily jumped on his wagon. okay :-P
thank you =)

On December 21 2011 21:14 cascades wrote:
@Deus I voted Sheth as at that point in time, Sheth had a vote for him. I wasn't sure how twon and I wanted the rest of elections to go.Yeah that was so bad of me not to vote for you.

On December 21 2011 08:26 Liquid`Sheth wrote:


I don't get this. I think we should lynch him honestly. I'm keeping my vote on him, I'll read through Comprissent's filter in a second though I geuss and decide for sure if I want to switch or not. Would you care to say why you don't want him lynched?

On December 24 2011 03:50 supersoft wrote:
guys dont blame me for not reasoning every step i make, if you dont ask me to.

On December 24 2011 05:55 GreYMisT wrote:
Probally would have hurt more than it would have potentially helped. The lynch train that would have started against you for not watching rad would be instant, and to have you say at the end "its ok guys i really did watch him" would probally not have stopped it.

On December 24 2011 10:23 supersoft wrote:
tntp is the alternative candidate.

On December 24 2011 19:51 supersoft wrote:
mason risk and squeeze this guy

On December 26 2011 08:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Yes I would love to hear your cases because what you just wrote is not obvious. It's actually absurd.

On December 15 2011 23:00 MarserBlood wrote:


Could you clarify why?

On December 15 2011 22:17 cascades wrote:


joke?
joke question.