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if something like that happens, we have me or curu as alternative candidates. i cannot see why scum wants to shoot anyone else than us 4 and blues. as radfield pointed out, it's unlikely that both of them are scum and i agree with him there. if it was complete random, it's unlikely and if the game is somehow balanced it's even more unlikely. however i think there is also a fairly high chance that one of the 4 players including myself is scum. some things about me, annul and I (supersoft) decided that i'll start this as the "main" player, since he's playing another game right now. if you want, i may post my name below every post. i think thats good for some more transparency. and who do we want to lynch today? prplhz? greymist? got to reread what they've done so far ;-) | ||
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On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 00:13 zeks wrote: On December 13 2011 00:11 GiygaS wrote: On December 12 2011 23:56 zeks wrote: Note that the mayor has 2 votes, 1 being hidden And he can decide ties So in essence in some cases its like having 3 votes (in close voting races) so the mayor is a really really strong role compared to Pardoner. Get Radfield to Mayor and Arc or whoever to Pardoner I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched! Any pardoner who uses a pardon is to be auto-lynched the next day No exceptions Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch. Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable. I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts. Show nested quote + On December 12 2011 22:55 Arctocod wrote: For the record, that was syllogism. I suppose we could start tagging our posts. I do not find your answer satisfactory as speaking up first says very little about his alignment. None of my answers for anything or just some of them? Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of? i will be readable as always. i don't see a problem as long as hydras tag their posts. whats wrong with radfields electionplan? | ||
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i say it: i like radfields plan. players like you lose games for town. fosing around without any reasons. why dont you use your brain before you post. i didnt attack you in the slightest. i didnt put words in your mouth. i only wanted that you tell me why you dont say that you like rads plan. its so simple. now take your incredibly stupid fos back stop derailing and answer my question: why are you talking with no content? | ||
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for scum a hydra is not that awesome. you can communicate with your fellowplayers either way. a townhydra has a huge advantage. normally you cant discuss your reads in irc etc. and this is helping a lot. therefor no hydralynch d1. i'd actually told you this even if i were no hydra lol (still supersoft posting) | ||
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On December 13 2011 02:09 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 02:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: risk, your fos on my is disturbing and stupid. new players read "fos" and put me on their lists. you said you never said that you like radfields plan. and i want to know why you dont say this. i say it: i like radfields plan. players like you lose games for town. fosing around without any reasons. why dont you use your brain before you post. i didnt attack you in the slightest. i didnt put words in your mouth. i only wanted that you tell me why you dont say that you like rads plan. its so simple. now take your incredibly stupid fos back stop derailing and answer my question: why are you talking with no content? If you're town then why are you forcing a disussion on this topic which is 100% useless and nothing but a distraction for town. my fos is valid and it's not the fos'd ones job to question it. It's funny how someone who tells me to "think" before "I" post doesn't have time to reread your own and mark it!! oh no risk... you did it again. Posting with no content. i don't force a disturbing discussion, I want to know why you don't say that radfields electing himself and palmar plan is good. and again: Your FoS on me actually is disturbing and stupid. You cannot have a read on me, because I didn't do anything yet. Plus I am town and your read on me - if you actually had one - would be wrong. S | ||
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I am certainly not that naive that I think I could stop the stampede if someone actually pardons someone, but I for one will judge every single case individually. S | ||
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On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote: I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can. @zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right? Zeks disappeard when I called him out for his HORRIBLE ideas. On December 13 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Secondly the Dues-ex vs risk.nuke is good, I like see'ing two players argue about anything. Its quite helpful. In this argument I think Dues-ex is more logical, but there getting off topic from the election / lynch. You got it. lulling me is good way to collect towncred. | ||
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On December 13 2011 03:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 03:40 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote: I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can. @zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right? Zeks disappeard when I called him out for his HORRIBLE ideas. On December 13 2011 03:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Secondly the Dues-ex vs risk.nuke is good, I like see'ing two players argue about anything. Its quite helpful. In this argument I think Dues-ex is more logical, but there getting off topic from the election / lynch. You got it. lulling me is good way to collect towncred. And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =) classic win win scenario. | ||
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and no i am not, but I want medicprotect tonight. If I die, I am goind to rage infinitely! Seriously I hate to be shot at night. One last word to the election thing today: STOP DISCUSSING IT! It's OBVIOUS that we vote Palmar/syllo and Radfield into office today. Even if one of them is scum, we save the other from 100% certain death. Both of them are very valuabe if town and because we surely are unable to determine their alignment after day1, therefor we save both of them. beforehand information for the medics: you guys save me and curu. | ||
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On December 13 2011 06:51 supersoft wrote: omg. I see horrible play all over the place. GUYS! Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 05:40 Comprissent wrote: On December 13 2011 05:00 GiygaS wrote: [...] I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations. I would argue that Deus-ex seems the most threatened On December 13 2011 02:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: [...] players like you lose games for town. fosing around without any reasons. why dont you use your brain before you post. i didnt attack you in the slightest. i didnt put words in your mouth. i only wanted that you tell me why you dont say that you like rads plan. its so simple. now take your incredibly stupid fos back stop derailing and answer my question: why are you talking with no content? This is a fairly personal attack, that seems suspicious to me This post is bullshit! Why is a personal attack suspicious? It's not! He FoSd me for no reason and this is distracting! FoSing around for fun is disturbing. That is simple and true. Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 06:02 zeks wrote: On December 13 2011 05:34 risk.nuke wrote: any kind of "those present should mutualy decide if to use pardon" is idiocy and a setup like that would only favor the mafia over town. The pardoner will have to decide himself if he is going to use it or not, and if he pardons it's at his own risk. Forbidding it is idiocy but we should warn him that by using the abillity chances are high we'll kill him. amen inserting exceptions creates loopholes that a scum pardoner can use to get out of harms way. It is imperative that there are no exceptions @Giygas not sure where you're getting at that i'm feeling threatened. I am posting without fear. Funny how you think I'm the most threatened when Deus has by far been the most defensive from risk-nuke's FoS (which I think was pretty baseless from that one comment). So I point at a group of players who I may think is scum (from my sixth sense). Never thought it would be taken that seriously. For every nickel I get for every FoS or baseless accusation I've seen in past games I'd have plenty of nickels. Not to mention the people who are yelling around calling people stupid. If anything GiygaS your insistence on having exceptions for the no-pardon rule is scummy as you're essentially creating a failsafe plan for a scum pardoner who can use what you just said as reasoning for pardoning his scum buddy As good as the vets have proven to be in past games don't just trust them for the sake of their names; look at how they are playing this game. Don't give them (too) much credit "don't give the vets too much credit" nonesense. In fact recent TL.net towns tend to give vets not enough credit and end in a mess because everyone thinks he knows best. You don't catch scum if you don't see the game as a whole and all the possibilities. You think: "ooh he's plaing agressive - he must be scum" or "ooh he defends himself" that's bullshit. Town and scum react extremely similar when they're under pressure. Some just go afk, some are agressive, some appeal to emotions. The best way to separate scum from town is the discussion. From time to time scum has to or just accidentely uses "bad" logic, a townie wouldn't think of. They have to push their own agenda. There are nightactions that have to be explained, there are voteswitches that have to be explained and there are elections in this game. If every townie just posts for the sake of posting like this post for example: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 06:05 zeks wrote: Having said all that I again insist on having Radfield as mayor not pardoner despite his activity being slightly lower than Arcs he has made the most sense. I would also argue Palmar is a harder read than Radfield (I mean WTF? you would also argue that Palmar is harder to read than Radfield? WHY?) sorry kita ^_^ | ||
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On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Show nested quote + 1. MarserBlood 2. nyczbrandon 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 11. MrZentor 15. evantrees 17. DropBear 23. Nisani201 24. cascades 25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person. i know you're pretty new. but seriously this post looks like someone in your scumQT told you the following: "hey zentor, you need to post something... attack zeks, he looks pretty bad right now..." or can you tell me a better story? | ||
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On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote: On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Show nested quote + Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person. I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan? We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts. so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell? you misunderstood him. he wants to lynch zeks. this post looks of zentor looks better than his previous one. i think this sounds more like his own thoughts... and if these are his own thoughts, i am willing to believe that the zeks vote might have been his own idea... but i need to talk to you zentor | ||
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On December 13 2011 15:48 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 15:43 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote: On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote: On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Show nested quote + Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person. I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan? We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts. so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell? you misunderstood him. he wants to lynch zeks. this post looks of zentor looks better than his previous one. i think this sounds more like his own thoughts... and if these are his own thoughts, i am willing to believe that the zeks vote might have been his own idea... but i need to talk to you zentor The concerns i had with his post was he said "we should lynch lurkers, but we won't find mafia there." no. thats not what he intended to say. he said: lynching lurkers keeps everyone active but doesnt kill scum, therefor no. | ||
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On December 13 2011 23:49 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 21:49 Radfield wrote: Assuming there were no other consequences, I would probably pardon zeks and dropbear. I would let Zentor hang. Gigyas and Jitsu I'm not sure. I would lynch Refallen I think. ProfBadass is basically inactive right now, which is not necessarily scummy by itself. I highly doubt he will stay inactive as well, so we'll see what they bring when they show up. i agree on that. curu is not less active as scum. however i am not 100% sure about zentor yet but i could imagine that he flips red... sorry, iphone etc. | ||
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zeks and risk performance pretty poorly... zentor might be coached scum. sheth looks like town to me. i got to reread prplhz and greymist since my reads on them have been pretty acurate in the past... erandorr being afk means he's scum. however this game is special, maybe he relys on curu. curus scumplay isnt less active compared to his townplay... yes. thats it so far. right now i am at the university and i have a meeting later on like 100km from here. i guess i'll be at home 3 hours before the lynch and try to talk to annul. i hope he can be around at the deadline. thats it so far | ||
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they perform pretty poorly sorry for my horrible english, but i am walking around and somehow typing on this tiny screen.. you know what i mean?! i guess i'll have some time when i am in the train... | ||
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somewhere he commented my convo with risk... and pointed something out. i dont find it right now. but i have to admit, i have no special hint or something for my townguess. if you think its worth it i will read him later on more carefully... | ||
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last time i read risks filter he seemed to be town to me :-[ | ||
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as i told supersoft i only agreed to the hydra as a way for me to execute HIS game plan while he was asleep. generally speaking i wont have anything to do with influencing his play style unless he asks me directly for some help. he has given me instructions for end-of-day actions that he wants me to take. so now i want to ask someone to briefly sum up what happened today. i also want to know who radfield and arcturus want to be lynched today. | ||
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okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? | ||
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i imagine when 48 ends and my finals are done i can focus on this one just fine. the good thing though is that if there happens to be a tough decision then at least there can be two brains to look at the same shit. so if we have to choose to pardon someone or not itll be two minds looking at the same evidence supersoft told me what to do tonight so im trying to get the info i need to get that plan executed... but this might not be the MO for future days | ||
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ill check again in an hour to see if i need to move off of this before deadline. | ||
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okay wait lol you produced a lot of pages while i was asleep. That office sucks. I wanted Actorod in there. Now there is no medicprotection left for me -,- | ||
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lol guys, why did you vote curu for pardoner and not me -,- wtf! | ||
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sorry that i was afk, but the last few days were exhausting. curu is not the perfect choice for the pardoner position, thats for sure. sparkles was a poor lynch (obviously now). tomorrow i have a lot of free time. i hope i wont get shot tonight... i wish i were a vet ;-) | ||
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On December 14 2011 10:26 GiygaS wrote: Out of all the hydras, we basically have a choice: Prof or Deus. The reason I don't want to vote for Deus is what annul just said. Technically, Deus is really just one person executing the gameplan, doing the analysis, etc. while there's one guy who need's a recap of the day to do anything at all. :/ For this reason, I feel Prof is more important to protect from Night Kills. And that's why I'm voting him for pardonner. On the subject of lynching, I'm going to be voting for either: Zeks Zentor (Leaning against this because I feel the case on him is weak but other more experienced people all seem to believe he's mister Scummy McScum) Risk.nuke (I've already declared my suspicions on him in my defense, and I've looked at his filter a second time and he seems suspicious) Another point on risk.nuke: he didn't seem at all interested in being a candidate in the first bit, bu tnow that Arc is gone he was almost immediate to go "pick me! pick me!" when he is one of the least likely to get lynched tonight because people are suspecting him. I'll be watching and I'll make my decision from those three soon. what the fuck dude. profba posted 3 posts earlier than this one, that he doesnt even know where erandorr is -___- | ||
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On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote: Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us. We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow. yes curu is scum. mafia kidnapped you after they saw that you two were gone and i was asleep aswell. radfields decision is questionable. curu also lied when he said that i havent been shot. i was shot xlvii night2 and xliii night1 as VT. i expect a little bit more research from a player like curu. maybe he's extremely lazy - i mean i dont have a lot of time right now, too. but i admit that to prevent confusion. i want to know why radfield chose curu although he had a scumread on him. i could think of some explanations therefor i dont say that rad might me scum too. but i'd like to hear his story. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:02 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 00:48 prplhz wrote: @risk.nuke Why do you think that medics should focus on Arctocod, you and DropBear. Why do you think DropBear is worth protecting, he's been useless so far. And you haven't been too impressive either as you acknowledge yourself. Why do you even think we have three medics, that would be hilariously OP combined with the elected officials. I think it's unlikely we have more than one medic, but no matter what, if people have a way to protect Arctocod then they are going to do it. NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES. If Arctocod dies tonight and later some medic claims to have protected the friendly neighborhood Balrog day1 because he "had a good feeling about him", then that medic dies. I think medics are pretty bad on this forum, so they need to have this explained to them with a sledge hammer. Arctocod is a good scum hunter, and he's active, and we have no reason to believe that he's scum yet. Protect him. 26 player game, there is no telling how many protection roles we have but you're missing the mainpoint, if medics will be focusing on 3 people most likely mafia wont be willing to risk going after anyone of us. this is pretty basic. As for me, I am town and if I don't get medic protection or atleast mafia belives there is a chance i am protected and aren't willing to gamble a kp on me I will ket killed tonight. Mafia isn't as slow as town, they know it's just a matter of time before I convince you I am town, it will save them alot of trouble to get rid of me now before I have proven myself town and will have protection. I think for a 26 man game with we'll have atleast 3 protective roles very possibly more, but I don't know what the blue roles look like. we might have something else to compensate but that doesn't matter. The important part is mafia don't know either and we can discourage them from going after either one of us 3. Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives. LOL!!! risk sorry. but you are the last player in dis game right now i would kill if i were scum hahahahahaha hilarious!!! | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:15 risk.nuke wrote: Say what you will but I've forced more reactions out of people then most of you combined. no you didnt. but at least i have a townread on you right now. although i think most of your calls have been wrong this game. | ||
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you should now get into rereading so you can share your best ideas just before the night ends. we have 50 pages to analyze and that is great. moreover we had some events (kidnap/lynch/election).. go for it. greymist, prplhz i encourage you two to do that, too. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:40 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 03:36 Arctocod wrote: On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night. And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. Have you even played with dropbear before? Yes in xlv, but I'm not really sure how he played that game. I am of the understanding that he is a good player, am I wrong becauuse that's the only relevant thing, not if I've played with him before. sorry but DB isnt a great player. i guess that was kurumis game where he claimed scum to me: "are you really the spy?" at night via pm LOL! we shot him right after that | ||
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I believe that Palmogism is town for sure. Some real incredible shit has to happen to turn me around there. Radfield doesn't look to bad either. If you (curu), Palmo and Radfield are all town, (+ me and annul) who is scum then? prplhz, greymist and risk are like 60% town for me, too. I'd be pretty confused if you actually were town... | ||
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On December 15 2011 05:05 zeks wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 04:51 ProfessorBadass wrote: zeks you are also a dumbass plain and simple. Do you really think Mafia would go balls out and orchestrate a last minute vote switch to get a Pardoner in office and a Townie lynched? Sacrifice all their members for a mislynch and an office when there's an election every day? It's far more likely Mafia were just lying low during that whole debacle and seeing how things played out. Mafia hate being in the spotlight. calm the fuck down did i say they'd do it with all their members? im surprised you don't find any of this suspicious one single bit scum has done dumber shit than you think look at the whole fucking scum team stacking on Palmar/BC in XLVII okay you're going to be HEAVILY watched now who the hell has called you out other than me and Arc? Now that you got pardoner you should be expecting this shit Show nested quote + Palmar don't be a dumbass. If I was scum there was no way I would have wanted to run for the election at the exact time when it would have looked the worst to run. Show nested quote + I'm not attacking you I'm asking you to go and read over the cases in a useful fashion instead of standing there making stupid statements and enabling all these dumbasses calling someone a dumbass is not attacking them. okay. zeks. Go sit in the corner! (sorry dude, but your post isn't helpful, don't take anything in this game personal please. :D) | ||
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On December 15 2011 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 05:12 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay curu, let me think about that... I really need to reread the happening last night (day1). I believe that Palmogism is town for sure. Some real incredible shit has to happen to turn me around there. Radfield doesn't look to bad either. If you (curu), Palmo and Radfield are all town, (+ me and annul) who is scum then? prplhz, greymist and risk are like 60% town for me, too. I'd be pretty confused if you actually were town... Could you explain the bolded statement? well I think that balancewise the scumteam has at least one experienced player. out of the experienced players that didn't replace someone, I think Curu is the scummiest. What do you think about that. Did you ever play a game with only unknownplayers in the scumteam except for newbiemafias. So what do you think about that? | ||
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incredible shit, i don't know... Palmogism surviving until Lylo and a rolecop flips with a godfathercheck on him? | ||
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On December 15 2011 19:04 cascades wrote: Let's hope mafia helps kill all the vets for us. =) why? | ||
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i dont think so. additional 24 hours would be good today. zenert send that action in please. | ||
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On December 12 2011 19:56 Cwave wrote: Checking in and looking forward to a good game! I'm running for mayor. Im still relative new to the TL mafia games but not to online mafia games in general. I post what i think and don't mind taking a leap of faith to get things done. Also, I mistrust anyone by default and have a healthy hatred towards mafiagame-veterans onelining the thread into poop. I will listen to good argumentation and will execute what the majority wants when they make sense and ignore when it's all clear jibberish. Voting for me gives you an active and open minded mayor, not tainted and bitter by previous TL games and above all, a scumhunter who will not stop once he has smelled a red. Cwave I bolded the relevant part in red. However I am not sure yet if it's really a scumtell. I thought about the setup in general and about the possibility that Rad/palmogism/curu/prplhz and I are town. (probably greymist and VE, too)... On December 15 2011 22:17 cascades wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 21:06 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 15 2011 19:04 cascades wrote: Let's hope mafia helps kill all the vets for us. =) why? joke? joke question. On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote: Voting Radfield + Arc Nothing scummy about their posts so far - although as they are vets its unlikely they'll have any slips this early if they were scum. On December 13 2011 06:02 zeks wrote: As good as the vets have proven to be in past games don't just trust them for the sake of their names; look at how they are playing this game. Don't give them (too) much credit On December 14 2011 11:25 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2011 11:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote: On December 14 2011 11:06 risk.nuke wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 11:02 Radfield wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2011 10:35 prplhz wrote: Something that everybody needs to realize is that the only reason scum would even want to be mayor/pardoner is to deny Radfield and Arctocod the position. While it is very likely that scum are responsible for Arctocod pulling out of the race, it is very unlikely that they did this so that they could get the spot. People like ProfessorBadass are in no way more scummy just because this happened and ProfessorBadass is around. OK, haven't read the last few pages yet, but I fully agree with this. ProfessorBadass, even though I have a slight scum read, should be the pardoner. Curu is a strong townie, and my day 1 reads are not the best. EVERYONE VOTE PROFESSORBADASS FOR PARDONER Now we stop talking about the election and talk about the lynch again. We are not lynching Zentor. He softclaimed blue, and did it in a way that newbie townies normally do it. For now, I am inclined to believe him. If mafia want to shoot him because of the blue-slip, great! Either way, we are NOT using our lynch on him. xsksc and refallen are the two targets I think we should look at. Both of them look very scummy if you read their filters. I'm not sure which one yet, but people should start discussing them. catching up now... look at how badass is looking for new bandwagon cases. Do you really want to risk putting him as pardoner? This post wasn't made by ProfBA. What bandwagon are you reffering to? It was a response to radfield. I'm reffering to that badass seemed pretty okey with lynching Nisani or Zentor. Unrelated I am pissed of because nobody listens to me for shit when I say don't lynch Nisani or Zentor but the when someone of the veteran names pop up and say it you're all mesmerized. And surprsingly to me I'm just slightly mad over the me beeing ignored part but more angry at the town for beeing useless and just heed the veterans instead of thinking for themselves. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:31 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2011 09:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2011 19:56 Cwave wrote: Checking in and looking forward to a good game! I'm running for mayor. Im still relative new to the TL mafia games but not to online mafia games in general. I post what i think and don't mind taking a leap of faith to get things done. Also, I mistrust anyone by default and have a healthy hatred towards mafiagame-veterans onelining the thread into poop. I will listen to good argumentation and will execute what the majority wants when they make sense and ignore when it's all clear jibberish. Voting for me gives you an active and open minded mayor, not tainted and bitter by previous TL games and above all, a scumhunter who will not stop once he has smelled a red. Cwave I bolded the relevant part in red. However I am not sure yet if it's really a scumtell. I thought about the setup in general and about the possibility that Rad/palmogism/curu/prplhz and I are town. (probably greymist and VE, too)... Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 22:17 cascades wrote: On December 15 2011 21:06 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 15 2011 19:04 cascades wrote: Let's hope mafia helps kill all the vets for us. =) why? joke? joke question. Show nested quote + On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote: Voting Radfield + Arc Nothing scummy about their posts so far - although as they are vets its unlikely they'll have any slips this early if they were scum. Show nested quote + On December 13 2011 06:02 zeks wrote: As good as the vets have proven to be in past games don't just trust them for the sake of their names; look at how they are playing this game. Don't give them (too) much credit Show nested quote + On December 14 2011 11:25 risk.nuke wrote: On December 14 2011 11:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote: On December 14 2011 11:06 risk.nuke wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 11:02 Radfield wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2011 10:35 prplhz wrote: Something that everybody needs to realize is that the only reason scum would even want to be mayor/pardoner is to deny Radfield and Arctocod the position. While it is very likely that scum are responsible for Arctocod pulling out of the race, it is very unlikely that they did this so that they could get the spot. People like ProfessorBadass are in no way more scummy just because this happened and ProfessorBadass is around. OK, haven't read the last few pages yet, but I fully agree with this. ProfessorBadass, even though I have a slight scum read, should be the pardoner. Curu is a strong townie, and my day 1 reads are not the best. EVERYONE VOTE PROFESSORBADASS FOR PARDONER Now we stop talking about the election and talk about the lynch again. We are not lynching Zentor. He softclaimed blue, and did it in a way that newbie townies normally do it. For now, I am inclined to believe him. If mafia want to shoot him because of the blue-slip, great! Either way, we are NOT using our lynch on him. xsksc and refallen are the two targets I think we should look at. Both of them look very scummy if you read their filters. I'm not sure which one yet, but people should start discussing them. catching up now... look at how badass is looking for new bandwagon cases. Do you really want to risk putting him as pardoner? This post wasn't made by ProfBA. What bandwagon are you reffering to? It was a response to radfield. I'm reffering to that badass seemed pretty okey with lynching Nisani or Zentor. Unrelated I am pissed of because nobody listens to me for shit when I say don't lynch Nisani or Zentor but the when someone of the veteran names pop up and say it you're all mesmerized. And surprsingly to me I'm just slightly mad over the me beeing ignored part but more angry at the town for beeing useless and just heed the veterans instead of thinking for themselves. 1. I hate people who ask something and disappear directly after that. 2. I filtered you guys and you did nothing this game. No real opinion given on anything axcept risk, greymist and zentor. These players have been discussed several times and nearly everyone gave an opinion. And you only repeated thing that have already been said. I think you're the scumhydra among us hydras. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:56 risk.nuke wrote: What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that. I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you. risk, what do you think about totallynottwopeople? I really would like to hear your opinion. | ||
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Do you think the nightshots of the scumteam were optimal, if not, who would you have been shot? | ||
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From what I've learned in xlvii I think it's bad to lynch players at the start who have the potential to be good. If you remember, I pushed for a lynch between you and BC pretty hard and in the end we had that lynch between you. However you were both town. If we had given both of you more time, and would just have lynched obvious scum like zeks prplhz greymist or erandorr back then, we would have won this easily. I think we have the same proplem here. I don't think that there is absolutely no veteranplayer in the scumteam. And among the veteranplayers curu is right now definetely the scummiest. But if we start right now with lynchung each other rather than looking for the more obvious candidates we will all be dead day3 and the game will end in chaos. | ||
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I don't doubt that at all. I just think it's not 100% proven that he's scum. I think there is the possibility that he's town. And therefor I'd like to discuss the possibility to give him a second chance... | ||
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omg this case of yours was the best case I ever read here so far. It was so obvious... | ||
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I want to have radfield in our boat and I want every other townie to vote curu asap and continue to discuss who else could be scum. My concerns as you can read above are only the following: I am afraid that if we start to lynch veteranplayers now, this discussion consumes EVERY other discussion in this thread, curu will probably spam up this thread and we lost the bonus 24 hours thing... | ||
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Think before you post. Fool. | ||
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btw i dont need to write huge posts if everything i want to say fits in a small one aswell. + it's easier to read (atleast thats my opinion) | ||
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You can see right now why I was against a Profbadasslynch: Every other discussion stopped and Palmogism stops every other discussion about alternative lynchcandidates because they won't share their reads. They may be good at diverting between town and scum, but they obviously don't see the game as a whole. I am afraid we'll lose this if Curu flips town. | ||
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Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople. | ||
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however you have to admit, that my play would have made sense, if he actually was town. good guy bad guy psychology etc. now that curu won't make trouble, we can focus on the post-curu-time. i want to know what you guys think about me and where i am on your list. depending on that i may going to play more transparent to avoid confusion. if you actually lean (correctly) towards town, I keep playing the same and continue to ask my questions etc. i also want to make sure that i survive night2. i am still not convinced of giygas being a superior electioncandidate compared to myself. | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:28 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 07:18 kitaman27 wrote: On December 17 2011 07:10 risk.nuke wrote: Kita, ProfBad locking himself in the house, did he use it on himself or don't we know that. I'm asking because the post makes it sound like he did and if we're not supposed to know who did it it's purposly misleading No comment you can't "no comment", Hypotheticly if ProfBad used that abillity. would the post had looked just the same with a different name if he had used it on someone else or did you write that post biased by the circumstances. On December 17 2011 07:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: risk you idiot. theoretically scum could have used that ability and curu is town... however this is extremely unlikely... what I meant, of course he can no comment this question. It's up to us to figure this out... is risk.nuke scum? | ||
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It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him... On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote: Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us. We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow. do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ? | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Deus to answer your question, I'm leaning scum on you atm. I mean, I appreciate that you're trying to appear scared to die overnight, but the fact of the matter is that while you're decrying Palmogism's actions saying that he's "ruined town atmosphere", you haven't done anything yourself to correct it. You've thrown out token questions of people asking their opinions of others, but you don't appear to be interested in giving any of your own reads to discuss. you don't understand. I wanted to give curu the chance to rehabilitate himself. I don't wanted to attack Palmar too much there. I just wanted to compensate Palmars agressiveness. I thought I already made that clear with my goodguy badguy explanation. However Curu decided to be extremely stubborn and claim scum in the thread lol. | ||
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On December 17 2011 09:01 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 08:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Ahhh...missed I read that post and looked at the voting thread and didn't see anything immediately wrong with it so I disregarded. I got ya now. So, AbsolutelySingularEntity, if Curu were somehow unlynchable today, who would you want to lynch and why? ...have you been reading my posts? If so, the answer to that question should be quite obvious. Although I still haven't received a straight answer on how his play this game compares to his normal town play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=62066¤tpage=2 this is the towncuru + MASSIVE amount of PMs with me and mig... | ||
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On December 17 2011 14:54 GiygaS wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 14:53 Curu wrote: And yes you should still be lynching me. I accept that I've put myself into this position with my stubbornness, attitude and activity, just want to say sorry in advance! I'm also fairly pissed off at Erandorr who basically told me that I would get lynched sooner or later because of his non posting then continued to do nothing at all. It became an extremely uphill battle that I didn't want to put effort into facing. Sorry to everyone I was overly aggressive to as well! I let a bit of my rage at my hydra partner spill over into my posting . No hard feelings. Wait, can't you not talk or something? read... | ||
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+ your apology for your activity doesn't make you town :-D (I somewhere already posted, that you activitylvl has nothing to do with you being scum or not) "Early apologies to everyone who I ruined this game for" - I guess this is directed towards your scumteammembers then :D I am looking forward to play with you again when you have some more time to actually play. ;-) | ||
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On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote: OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not. In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use? Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote: On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that... It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him... + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote: Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us. We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow. do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ? I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum. Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote: I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election. A little over 2 hours remain in the day. There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it. Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described. Ehh wtf move palmar? And he tries to get the role of pardoner. Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner. Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia. Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum. I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074 This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate. MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you. Don't use the doublelynch today!!! If curu is scum he has nothing to lose and he may just pardon the other lynchcandidate if he's scum. | ||
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On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote: So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha. And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke. Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum? his play is not exactly antitown. it's the others who play antitown because they're highly sensitive and dont think for themselves. his mistake is that he doesnt take this into account | ||
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On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote: So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha. And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke. Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum? btw. I'd like to have your opinion on the following players: evantress bumatlarge nyczbrandon GreYMisT Cwave tntp :-) | ||
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On December 17 2011 19:59 Arctocod wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote: And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke. Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum? The whole point of a hydra is that you don't personally have to post at all if you don't want. They may even had had a such an agreement in place. There is nothing wrong with that. Also it's not a policy lynch at all; curu's play makes him scum and erandorr's absense just made us have a closer look at him. What do you think about MrZentor and Sheth cascades? I definetely can see why MrZentor is scummy - I don't need any further explantion there. But I really want to see the case on sheth. Right now my scumteam consists of: cascades, curu, zentor + two people from my list above. (in terms of scummyness ordered from top to bottom.) | ||
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Do you think it's better to post that list now or better at the end of the night. I think I got some correct and well reasoned townreads on several players... Maybe that would make them to scumtargets... Although the advantage to discuss that list today is that we lay down more pressure on the people who I don't have a townread on and we have more time... So what do you think... Moreover I know that you, Palmar and Syllo, already have such a list aswell. However I think we have some differences. If we exchange our opinions, I guess we could nail down most of the scumteam... | ||
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On December 18 2011 01:37 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2011 01:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: hmm after filterin almost everyone individually, I made a scumranklist including scummyness of every player in this game. I'd like to discuss that list especially with radfield, Palmar and Syllo. Do you think it's better to post that list now or better at the end of the night. I think I got some correct and well reasoned townreads on several players... Maybe that would make them to scumtargets... Although the advantage to discuss that list today is that we lay down more pressure on the people who I don't have a townread on and we have more time... So what do you think... Moreover I know that you, Palmar and Syllo, already have such a list aswell. However I think we have some differences. If we exchange our opinions, I guess we could nail down most of the scumteam... I don't think you understand when to use ellipses (...). Anyway I'll be retreading the thread today as well. Suggest everyone do the same. Sorry... | ||
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On December 18 2011 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Liquid`Sheth Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it? this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear... | ||
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On December 18 2011 06:04 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote: On December 18 2011 05:49 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 18 2011 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Liquid`Sheth Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it? this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear... A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow. I thought I proved I was town. Adding 24 hours of discussion for town is obviously an advantage for town. you have a 70/30-town/scum-ratio role. Your overall behaviour is really scummy. On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote: I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections? there will be no medic on zentor, that's for sure. On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote: Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None. I didn't check it yet, but if he really accused evantrees, I think he might be innocent. evantrees looks even more scummy to me right now. | ||
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And no sudden voteswitch ;-) guys you make me so proud :D The rest of the scumteam shouldnt be hard to find hohohoho | ||
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On December 19 2011 04:35 cascades wrote: As for Deus, although I can't speak for the rest of the town, rest assured I have an eye on him. I will wait for him to post his town list WITH REASONING though. says the scumcascades :-D I am watching you, too and I've seen enough. You're scum aswell as this badboy: On December 19 2011 03:02 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 02:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: i had refallen on my townlist. greymist is 95% scum. will get back to this later and advice annul to post my list 1min before the night ends. Just noting this for now, notice how dues (supersoft) said earlier that he is very good at telling my town from my scum, and because of this he would research me. Now notice how he waits for both arcticod and radfield to voice their suspicions before he posts. If he is so sure I am "95%" scum and he has as good of reads as he claims, why not say this earlier instead of waiting for Arcto and rad? On December 17 2011 17:38 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote: So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha. And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke. Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum? btw. I'd like to have your opinion on the following players: evantress bumatlarge nyczbrandon GreYMisT Cwave tntp :-) I had you on my list first :--D G_G | ||
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Do we have the doublelynch today? I'd say its good to activate it now. | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:31 GiygaS wrote: Yeah I gave it to Radfield if you couldn't tell. I was most sure he was a townie, didn't think the day roleblocker could roleblock in the night too. lol you are so stupid!!!! fuck! why did you give radfield the medicpower. he needs the protection himself... dude seriously... today we elect me and radfield into these positions and we lynch greymist. | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Sleep for real this time, gnite :D! and you have to post each players filterlink when you wake up :-D | ||
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9. Cwave 1. MarserBlood 2. nyczbrandon 15. evantrees 24. cascades these people need to commentate on the following things: each other and who they find the scummiest, the optimal plan for the election/following night and the Greymistlynch. If you're town, do that, please! | ||
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On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote: yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:23 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote: yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. Would you have an issue with me being elected to one of the positions? no but zeks is my number one. @risk, i dont think you're scum, but i got this from zeks: On December 14 2011 10:42 zeks wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2011 10:32 ProfessorBadass wrote: On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote: On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: yeah, i see the arcto ability. okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus Go look through past games and find where supersoft has -ever- been killed as a Townie. If he is Town then you are giving minimal benefits whereas if he is Mafia then you are fucking the Town. High risk low reward. You have not said a word against me before but now all of a sudden you think I am Mafia because Radfield said so? If I am Town then you ensure I cannot get shot, if I am Mafia then I am putting myself under serious pressure by being in office. Yeah I haven't been that active over the past few days because I've been playing DotA 2 nonstop with Mig. Mig hasn't been online at all this past day so here I am. 79.) supersoft - Vanilla TownieKilled night 2 XLVII As I said the timing of when you came out to run is fishy and how suddenly you've already gathered a couple votes As you also said pardoner is a strong role for scum to have. Although he is putting himself under high pressure its high risk high reward. Pardoner can defend himself with words but no way for town to stop a pardoner with pardoning (although we can lynch the pardoner collectively there is no way to stop the action from being done). It is safe to assume Arc is probably silenced for the duration of night Your point of restricting voting to only the hydras I agree with totally Nisani wagon gaining momentum? he pointed out that Curu was lazy/lying. You don't do that to your teammates. You give them time to correct themselves and you PM them such a thing. Especially when a fairly new player sees this out of a veteran who is also in his scumteam. Blargh. iphoneposting etc. zeks is town. | ||
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- first of all, the setup is somehow balanced. That means that there are good players in the scumteam and good players in the town. Curu, radfield, palmogism, prplhz and I are too much. (meh) - erandorrs afkness. He normally scumhunts at least when called out. (meh) - the withdraw of Palmogism and his sudden appearance when everyone else was asleep. - His overall behaviour. He wasn't working with us. There was no connection between the town and him. He treated us like enemys. The whole time. He played against Palmar and Syllo and you felt that. Curus townmeta is completely different. He's arrogant and hates scum aswell as Palmar. This game he just didn't care about scum. He just played along. Easylynch day1 etc. etc. etc. - His mayoral campaign: It was a joke. Towncuru would have fought for that position, because he knows about the setupbalancing. So many things. That case was 100% even before he did that stupid anonymus message thing lol. (a role he had in his lotr-mafia aswell for scum :D) _________________ @Greymist: Can you guess who the three last reamaining scumteammembers are? | ||
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On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote: prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion? I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game. I want to see the game where erandorr was troubling for scum. I want to see the game where curu was troubling for scum. _________________ baseless assumption. You can do it better ;-) On December 17 2011 04:10 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please. Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople. I'd like to hear your opinions on zeks and TntP as well while we are at it. I already mentioned what i thought of zeks earlier, but came to the conclusion that he was pretty null in my eyes for the time being. at the moment TntP is not the scummiest candidate out there, but there are a few iffy things he has done, such as publicly announcing that he is letting his friend decide all the votes, which would absolve them of responsibility (thats just another way of playing the newbie card to get out of things). Regardless, the way he is pressuring me seems quite genuine, and the result is that I think there are more important targets out there for us to chase. To humor you though I will read all there stuff in depth when i get the time. I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly? | ||
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On December 20 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote: Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period. risk. Read your own filter dude. You had some serious errors in your play. actually I don't care who get's prankster as long as it's noone of my likely-scum-list. But zeks is my favourite. I never said you're scum, zeks is just my strongest townread. | ||
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You said he can be troubling for scum later in the game: You defend his sloppy play there!!! You say he may not be useful right now, but later on. That's completely wrong! Curu is playing strong from the beginning if he's town. | ||
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On December 20 2011 09:22 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2011 09:14 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: i got to sleep now. I want you to read your own filter... after that, you decide for yourself if your scumplay this game was good enough to survive the day3lynch :-( (no it wasnt) :D cu tomorrow The fact that you think my scum would be this bad is insulting. wohoo. I knew i would get to read something if i look into the thread one last time :-P can you please roleclaim? If you have a super-awesome townrole, I want to hear this role now, because 1 hour before the lynch will be too late. Right now I don't see any possibility that you survive this if not something incredible happens | ||
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I'd also like to see some reasoning behind these people. You should at least filter them if you put them on your list. | ||
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I think that I am going to be able to deliver an alternative lynchcandidate 6 hours before the lynch. | ||
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I want you to have a look at jitsu and refallen and tell me if they really belong to that scumlist. | ||
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On December 20 2011 23:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: until then I don't want you to respond to my questions with your own questions. I want you to have a look at jitsu and refallen and tell me if they really belong to that scumlist. and totallynottwopeople. Go check these three guys. | ||
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I am going to look at these two now. | ||
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On December 21 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: I second what radfield just said, Evan and Grey should full claim. If Greymist is medic then I don't want to lynch sheth today. I got a pretty decent townread on alot of players. Radfield Giygas MrZentor DEUS-ex-MAFIA GreYMisT Some other people are saying they got townreads on zeks TotallyNotTwoPeople I haven't looked into this people myself yet but assuming I agree. Right now I don't want to lynch Evantrees (waiting for roleclaim) Sheth Which leaves Jitsu cascades cwave comprissant Refallen I think we should focus on these today. Jitsu is on my townlist aswell. Refallen at least not directly on my scumlist, however the fact that he's the only player who voted for curu as pardoner who isnt "confirmed" town makes him look suspicious. | ||
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On December 21 2011 01:26 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2011 23:24 Radfield wrote: Evantrees, can you please claim in full. Greymist, you should claim in full as well. I'd like to lynch comprissent today. He has done nothing all game, has consistently promised future analysis/activity but has continually not done so. Like I said if you insist I will claim in full, but please understand that what I am obscuring is only good for town, and that it hampers my ability to act in an elected position. Notice I did not run in any election as I normally do. go for the claim now. We need more information | ||
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evantress is town Greymist is town zentor is town if noone counterclaims. 3 scummembers left, one is RB for sure, one is goon for sure. ______ i suggest we massclaim right now? Radfield, your opinion please. | ||
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my scumdreamteam are: 1. MarserBlood now jaj22 2. nyczbrandon 24. cascades right now. Everyone else I have at least a little townish hint. I could be wrong though, but cascades is definetely my strongest scumread right now. On December 21 2011 05:28 jaj22 wrote: @Deus: Had a look through your filter, and your day 2 defense of Curu/ProfBA is totally baffling to me. During night 1, you claim that Curu is the scummiest of the veterans/hydras and explain the logic behind lynching him. Then on day 2, you defend him strongly on the basis that lynching him will harm town atmosphere, while still claiming that he's almost certainly scum. The evidence of this game and the one you linked suggests that he harms town atmosphere a lot more when alive than dead. Then on night 2, you're back to explaining exactly why it was a logical lynch. Really? we had a really strong case on curu and I was just brainstorming in public whether there is a possibility that curu is town, I saw some hints that he could have been town and just playing extremely poor. Therefor I wanted to discuss if he really is the best lynchcandidate and whether we don't want to give him a second chance. Palmogism convinced me and Curus roleclaim combined with his "upset-townie" reaction changed my mind. Ah whatever. Think what you want, you're already scum on my list. 8-[ | ||
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police chief: DEUS-ex-MAFIA prankster: Greymist Since he's confirmed town this title is perfect for him. I should be police chief, I am going to watch radfield 100% to keep him alive. That's the optimal composition. | ||
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1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by 2. MarserBlood now jaj22 3. nyczbrandon _____ I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game. Especially: Myself 10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum. 14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town 19. Radfield obviously 15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam 3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim 11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence 18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence 12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence 22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence Null: 8. Refallen 5. Comprissent 9. Cwave these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above. _______ tonights plan: I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed. | ||
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Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM. If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. And Vote for me in the election thread and Cascades in the lynchthread!!! | ||
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If Comprissent was town, cascades could have easily jumped on his wagon. okay :-P thank you =) | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm back and such. Deus, if you had to pick between Comprissent and Nycz who would you kill? I'm going through all 3 filters now, however I'm on Hydrocodone. So I'm literally WIFOM and I realize that sounds so terrible so your welcome to lynch me instead as I might not be too helpful pretty drugged out. Anyway I hope you don't and I hope these drugs aren't as strong as I remember them. (Its for a bad sinus infection) read post above. | ||
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Your plan sounds reasonable, too... However I think the superior plan is, me #1, you #2, I watch Rad, he heals you. Evantress has no power, so the scumteam has less motivation to shoot him. You know if we do your plan, evantress will die and we wasted the prankster... | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:22 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 06:20 Radfield wrote: OK, so it makes sense to vote in deus-ex as Police Chief. He becomes protected and can watch me. Greymist we know is town given that there has been no counter-claim, therefore he should be the prankster. Given that he can no longer protect, he does not need the protection of PC. I'm mildly ok with lynching cascades, but I would prefer to lynch comprissent. I think both of them are better lynches than nyczbrandon though. Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM. If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. I agree with this, and mainly agree with your list. what do you think of evantrees in the PC position, and you healing deus? In this scenario, they will shoot you :-/ | ||
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I go for PC, and watch Rad. Rad saves Grey one of the other green guys on my list will get shot and we continue to lynch scum = win. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:27 risk.nuke wrote: Deus, could you summerise everything that makes you town. can we talk about this if we don't lynch scum today and the following 2 days? I really think we shouldn't get paranoid right now. Look at my list and tell me if this list is reasonable. If not, go ahead and discuss that with me. Don't just ask me: tell my why are you town. Quote a post of mine and I will tell you my thoughtprocess behind that post. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:32 zeks wrote: btw i have security of defense power from Arc okay well... that claim wasn't necessary... yeah i guess we have plenty of options tonight :-D now please execute this plan. | ||
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1. Cascades 2. nyczbrandon 3. Comprissent i favor the lynchcandidates in this order. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:36 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 06:31 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 21 2011 06:27 risk.nuke wrote: Deus, could you summerise everything that makes you town. can we talk about this if we don't lynch scum today and the following 2 days? I really think we shouldn't get paranoid right now. Look at my list and tell me if this list is reasonable. If not, go ahead and discuss that with me. Don't just ask me: tell my why are you town. Quote a post of mine and I will tell you my thoughtprocess behind that post. No because if we're going to elect you policechief I want to know how your bloody mind works when you write shit like this. Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: 12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence okay, you want to know why you weren't bolded? I tell you why: I think you're smart enough to pull the exact same play as scum. That's why. I know that curu is smart enough to bus a teammate. Despite all this I ranked you as likely town. What do you want? Do you want that I rank you as confirmed town? You're not as confirmed as the bolded players. Deal with it. Now stop being upset like a child. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:47 zeks wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 06:45 nyczbrandon wrote: On December 21 2011 06:10 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: CAN YOU PLEASE DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO? Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM. If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. And Vote for me in the election thread and Cascades in the lynchthread!!! My role is vanille townie Why'd you claim you're on his red list but you're green! loooool :-D well, zeks could you switch on me in the electionthread? sheth and Greymist you, too please. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:56 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'll switch to you Grey, and Deus I'd switched to you a bit before I read that! Will just switch to Grey so he can get the second job and switch back if needed. no, switch on me, I vote grey instead. | ||
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we don't lynch nyczbrandon today!!! You may chose between Cascades and Comprissent I don't know why you guys do that! There is nothing favouring nyczbrandon over the other two players. :-( | ||
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and yes, thanks @ radfield for explaining that to zentor. Zentor, we can't protect radfield with a 100% chance. But we can hunt down his killer. From that point of view it doesn't matter who does that PC job. The PC job is all about protection. And I know that I need that protection the most. Imagine what happens if Radfield and I suddenly die/stop posting etc. I think we would lose this game. Look at your filter, Zentor. If you hadn't have this power, you would be suspect #1... We don't need you to win. :-( | ||
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My wishlist: lynch between Cascades and Comprissent (I favor casc) and #1 election for me and #2 for Greymist. don't get paranoid and screw up!!! I saw such play several times!!! | ||
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On December 21 2011 07:37 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 07:34 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I really am afraid, that you guys screw up... I need to sleep now. I hope Radfield watches the process... My wishlist: lynch between Cascades and Comprissent (I favor casc) and #1 election for me and #2 for Greymist. don't get paranoid and screw up!!! I saw such play several times!!! Is this what I think it is? I don't know what you actually think, because I can't look into your head. But I think this is the paranoia i was talking about. | ||
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On December 21 2011 07:44 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 07:41 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 21 2011 07:37 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: On December 21 2011 07:34 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I really am afraid, that you guys screw up... I need to sleep now. I hope Radfield watches the process... My wishlist: lynch between Cascades and Comprissent (I favor casc) and #1 election for me and #2 for Greymist. don't get paranoid and screw up!!! I saw such play several times!!! Is this what I think it is? I don't know what you actually think, because I can't look into your head. But I think this is the paranoia i was talking about. I think it looks like soft-claiming paranoid cop. No, I am not a paranoid cop. I am afraid, that you guys get paranoid and lynch Radfield and elect Zentor and Evantress. Something like that. | ||
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On December 21 2011 13:07 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 13:07 GreYMisT wrote: I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome. I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while. It was me. NO, IT WAS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANTED YOU TO GET YOUR VOTES OFF NCBLABLABLA fuck!!! tomorrow we lynch cascades!!! I knew it!!! fuck!!! On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Okay, time for a short summary: 1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by 2. MarserBlood now jaj22 3. nyczbrandon _____ I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game. Especially: Myself 10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum. 14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town 19. Radfield obviously 15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam 3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim 11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence 18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence 12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence 22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence Null: 8. Refallen 5. Comprissent 9. Cwave these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above. _______ tonights plan: I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed. and ncyblabla was my weakest scumread!!! I didn't want to lynch him... Damn Radfield :-D Cascades is the shit! I should have pushed for his lynch so much stronger :-( | ||
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Some of you even had your votes on ncyxcgtawdf We don't even had tight votecounts!!! Now the other 2 scummembers even could have hided on cascades... | ||
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On December 21 2011 17:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: mhhh I changed my mind. I am not going to watch Radfield for sure. I got 3 people on my paper and I am going to roll a dice. or maybe I don't roll a dice and pick radfield instead... Do you want to know the other 2 people on my list? well... one of them is zeks... :-) maybe I put only 2 people on my watchlist... Radfield and zeks? | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:16 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: oh nvm cascades just voted shet. I think cascades, nyczbrandon and Comprissent are scum. If Comprissent was town, cascades could have easily jumped on his wagon. okay :-P thank you =) okay, sorry @ all - now I see what went wrong!!! He voted sheth in the electionthread! Okay, I should have seen this and pushed much stronger for his lynch. That was so bad... | ||
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On December 21 2011 21:14 cascades wrote: @Deus I voted Sheth as at that point in time, Sheth had a vote for him. I wasn't sure how twon and I wanted the rest of elections to go.Yeah that was so bad of me not to vote for you. No I actually thought you voted for sheth in the lynchthread. That was my mistake. I confused the electionthread with the lynchthread at this point of time. That was why I thought it doesnt make any difference if we lynch compromissent instead of you. If I hadn't confused these votes, I would have continued to push for you lynch. Today I wondered what went wrong and I found this confusion of votes. That's it. And I read your big posts. It's good. But you know, you're still scum. The size and formatting of the posts don't help you there. | ||
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On December 21 2011 08:26 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 07:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Announcement: we don't lynch nyczbrandon today!!! You may chose between Cascades and Comprissent I don't know why you guys do that! There is nothing favouring nyczbrandon over the other two players. :-( I don't get this. I think we should lynch him honestly. I'm keeping my vote on him, I'll read through Comprissent's filter in a second though I geuss and decide for sure if I want to switch or not. Would you care to say why you don't want him lynched? cascades is still scum. or what do you think? | ||
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who do you want to lynch and who do you want to elect? and dont answer with a question. i want rad and zeks #1,2 and you lynched, not only you just posted again without content!!! | ||
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On December 24 2011 00:48 Jitsu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 24 2011 00:41 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: and the rb is dead. + i can save rad another night with my watcher ability. Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 23:31 kitaman27 wrote: If the police chief wishes to use his ability, it must be used night three ah fuck i thought i have another check in the pipeline... | ||
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Cwave was the one who started this... Cascades has one or two posts with similar content. Since I think that Curu is/was probably the only vet in the scumteam this behaviour makes sense for scum. I can't see why a townie would want to attack experienced players. It's not exactly contributing to our goals. | ||
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right now I still believe that our slow methodical strategy to narrow down the potential scumteammembers by confirming one townie after the other and lynching the questionable reads is the optimal strategy. That's the reason why I am not too sad that nycbla and comprissent are dead. | ||
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On December 24 2011 03:50 supersoft wrote: guys dont blame me for not reasoning every step i make, if you dont ask me to. was on the run. | ||
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You didn't do anything this entire game. You didn't post a single analysis all you did was strange trolling. I don't think your "jokes" are funny, e.g. this "hopefully mafia will kill all the vets for us?!" Basically your negative attitude is extremely bad for us. If you're town, you shouldn't take my attack on you personal and don't just make a case on me, because I made one on you. I don't know if you're just an extremely bad townie or scum. What is this by the way: "And why? Because of lazy setup reasoning. Well 20% of players are mafia, so 1/5 vets = mafia! We already caught the allocated number of scum vets which is Curu. Does this setup make sense in such a vet oriented game? So basically that poor mafia vet screws up/ goes inactive, and the rest of mafia can just GG? They stand almost no chance of getting someone in an elected position (unless they happen to have way to demonstrate they are town?) Oh wait, we already saw all of the mafia powers with today's secret ballot that no one is claiming, none of them are viable for faking a confirmed townie. Those that are "semi-viable" have town counterparts that they can just easily counterclaim." I don't understand the entire paragraph. Are you claiming scum right there? Are you pissed because you had "only" Curu in your team and he screwed up? Hey! it's not my fault that the setup is like it is. Talk to kita if you have any problems with that. I know, that I am town, I saw Palmogism flip and Radfield is nearly confirmed for me because of the roleblockaction and all that stuff. Curu was red, bum was red. These flips only endorse my earlier theory that there were 2 experienced players in the scumteam and the other experienced players are town. That's at least the situation from my point of view. Screw you with you shitty case on me. Also Risk. You two complete idiots just ignore all my efforts to win this fucking game. FOR TOWN. Look at what happened in this game so far. Do you really think I wouldn't yell at sheth in the scumQT if he's buddying me like that? Do you really think I would have been afk when they blocked Palmogism? Whatever. I want to talk about the so far claimed roles. As radfield pointed it looks like we have a lot of blues. TNTP has a pretty scummy ability. One of the remaining scumteammembers has this kidnap-ability they used day1. Maybe one of the scumteam also has this ability and he can't counterclaim against TNTP now. Consequently I don't think TNTP is scum, because as scum with this role, there is a high chance in this setup that some badass has the same role as townie and you have to trade 1v1. Right now, that's not the optimal play. Ahm I am still on the run, Lynch is in about 7.XX hours. I'll figure out my favourite for tonights lynch in the next few hours when I have time. It's a little bit difficult on that tiny screen, but okay, someone has to put a little bit of work in that game and not just accuse others if they accuse them. idiotic cascadees | ||
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This lying doesn't help us at all. A Vet doesn't really fit in this setup, with all the elections and the elected roles and stuff. But okay, do what you want. I didn't suspect you before, I probably shouldn't now. I have to take this kind of stupidity into account. Moreover I am going to reread cascadees with the following assumption: I am going to assume that he's COMPLETELY retarded and I'll see if I still think he's scum. If I come to the conclusion that he even can't be the dumbest townie ever seen and therefor innocent, we probably should lynch him tonight. Cwave is the next I am going to filter and in the end my dear friend risk.nuke, who never made any sense the whole game, but has an grotesque ego anyhow. | ||
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It's not my proble, if you sit in front of your computer like an ape and don't understand what's going on. If you think it's smart to judge players by reference to the length of their posts, I want to share a secret with you: It's not smart at all. I could imagine someone is pissed because I started to fool around last night with my "maybe i won't watch radfield" I already sent in my check on radfield at this point of time. I just wanted to annoy the scumteam and I obviously achieved that goal. Noone shot greymist or zeks and they chose the targets I wanted them to chose. Two completely useless confirmed townies instead of the useful confirmed townies. Sheth was raging because of that and I identified him as scum. It was an eyeopener for me but I wanted to wait until the next day and what would happen. "unfortunately" sheth was already dead today so I couldn't call him out for his nocturnal panic attack regarding my decision to WIFOM the check. Now back to reading. | ||
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I think that would have been funny. Damn! | ||
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On December 24 2011 05:55 GreYMisT wrote: Probally would have hurt more than it would have potentially helped. The lynch train that would have started against you for not watching rad would be instant, and to have you say at the end "its ok guys i really did watch him" would probally not have stopped it. lol, you obviously have no fantasy. | ||
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On December 24 2011 10:23 supersoft wrote: tntp is the alternative candidate. sorry... Damn phone always resets to supersoft-account. Actually I could switch to that accound. I guess annul won't have enough time to work himself into that game anymore... | ||
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who is leading the votes in the lynch right now? Maybe they want to change the result there? | ||
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I told you that cwave is town. Guys, I am not voting cascades for fun. He is scum and cwave was town. I told you so. | ||
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Your responsible for two mislynches now. | ||
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I thought I maybe don't see why cwave is scum and you guys do... Refallen do you have a DT check going on at cascades or why don't you want him dead? | ||
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The scumteam wants to attack my credibility, because I am one of the people who can't really confirm themselves. If cascades is a townie, why didn't they help me to lynch him already? By the way I really screwed up yesterday. I didn't catch this vote sending in to cyber etc. And that really sucks: I thought you hadn't voted yet, so I didn't defend cwave too much... He was obviously noobtownie and a horrible noinformationlynch. | ||
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On December 24 2011 19:51 supersoft wrote: mason risk and squeeze this guy for the filtertruth - I apoligize... again... | ||
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cascades is claiming scum in the thread over and over, you guys just ignore it. I mean wtf. This guy survived 2 lynches, he doesn't contribute in the slightest and he's upset that the set-up favours town. merry christmas | ||
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tntp has a scummy role etc. but his claim, well ahh.. He deserves another look. I have a bad feeling tonight... I think I may die tonight :-o | ||
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i told you he was town!!! I posted it in the thread! THIS NIGHT. I stop posting now. You killed three guys in a row i disagreed with. My opinion doesn't count anyway. Lol Radfield. ARE YOU SCUM? Killing 3 noobtownies in a row? I mean wtf? Go filter these three guys. Are you kidding me? Look at them? How is that scum? Look at cascadees! How is he more likely town than these guys? Where are any cases against these people? Pfffff | ||
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this is fucking stupid. You're failing so hard! I believe noone of you actually read the whole thread! If noone invests the minimum of work, we have no chance. You idiots just play this game sheeping around like scum! All you do is trying to prevent getting lynched. Especially you, greymist. Your play sucks! | ||
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I realized sheth was scum, like 4 hours before he got shot I accused bum and I accused curu. Cascades is scum and if you lynch him, you will see that my play is pretty stellar. | ||
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scumslips like this and being wrong all the time make you extremely scummy. If Cascades is town, you're the one I am looking at. (But he isn't) | ||
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lynch: Cascades. _________________________ tomorrow: lynch: jaj22 game over. | ||
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or can you figure that out yourself? | ||
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On December 26 2011 08:16 risk.nuke wrote: Yes I would love to hear your cases because what you just wrote is not obvious. It's actually absurd. lol you are funny. How is that absurd? who is scum if these two aren't? | ||
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lynch me because I told you they were town. You know what, it's useless to write cases. You don't read them, and if you read them, you don't understand them. If I am right i am scum, because noone could know. bwah whatever. | ||
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4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA I am the greenest guy in this town. If you don't see it and accuse me for having the right feeling towards everyone who died the past few days. Ok. I can't argue against your idea of "I am the smartest, if he knows better he's scum". 3. GreYMisT medicclaim. Ok. Pretty useless aside from his blue power. 19. Radfield was wrong in the past, it's no problem to be wrong. There are a lot of things that make him town. I won't list them all. He played a pretty good game so far. 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople I always commentated on his gameplay and I don't need to reread this guy to post my opinion here. I think his role is scummy - no question there. But if he is scum, that role is stupid to claim. You have to worry that some townie also has this role and you have to trade 1n1. This is no wifoming btw.: If he's scum, claiming this role is highest risk and stupid. 8. Refallen phew I got to filter this guy: (I read his filter after reading risks filter, read my things on risk first) accuses sheth very early on "^^ good point by deus do not double lynch!!" wohoo he's thinking! "I really disagree about Cascades, I actually have a pretty strong town read on him. Him saying that he would lynch spaakles if first night repeats itself is, imo, not scummish in any way. Rather, it is a townie sentiment, that even though he flipped blue, at that time, he was probably the best lynch available to us. Also, I don't see how suspecting Radfield = anti-town, as Greymist tried to make a case on." if you read this refallen, could you please rephrase this and post some additional stuff to back up your concerns. I know this post is old, but the case on cascades is old aswell. "Why is cascades suddenly a prime target for lynching? I really think he's town." (he's accusing sheth all the time between these quotes) "Honestly cascades, I thought you were a townie all the way. Except for the fact that Sheth was trying so hard not to vote for you. You say he could have easily jumped on the comprissent bandwagon and probably that's true, but maybe he didn't want to be seen as bandwagoning and thus Mafia? Also, I know Radfield is seen widely as most probably town, but has there been any thought in electing Zeks and another blue who has roleclaimed? (wait, are there any eligible for voting this cycle?)" - Ah!!! I like this post. This is townlogic. You my friend go up on my list very very fast if cascades flips red :-D "deus, no I don't. I just think jitsu is being really suspicious now, especially with his last few posts (leaving a vote on me because discussion has died down? totally ignoring TnTP's points on me too, btw.) I'm not DT. I just think jitsu>cascades in scumniness right now, though definitely cascades will be a good shot too." ok. I believe you. I ranked you above risk after reading your filter. I might rank you above tntp though... + Show Spoiler + okay, I just went to the toilet and I realized, his sudden change of mind towards cascades may be the consequence of the growing pressure on casc. 12. risk.nuke completely useless the whole game long: I'm rereading his filter while i write this post: "I never said I liked Rafields plan" into "I never said there is something wrong with it either" into "Deus. what you said was an inch from basicly twisting that into claiming I said something is wrong with Radfields plan. FoS" "Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas." huh? you realize that you're talking without any substance? He's scum but if he's town, he's good, or not, or scum... "I dropped supersoft because I got a townread on his responses, sure they were idiotic but they were idiotic townie responses." funny that someone calls me an idiot who is wrong all game long. (I am thinking that he's scum right now, while I post this. Hopefully I am going to read something in the near future that makes him look better) "Sorry I was at the gym." Oh okay, so you missed the whole discussion about you that was going on and you don't drop a single word about this discussion. Cool. "No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1." ah lol, this is about sheth. SHARP REASONING BRO! "Zentor you're an idiot." is the response to: Zentor: "Can you give me a legitimate reason to not lynch Seth?" - the followong dialogue between risk and curu makes him look a little bit better - I am looking if I can find something artificial about that discussion. It seems to be ok though... This however is pretty silly: "Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives." (Risk wants medicprotect for himself and DB... lol.) "You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you." (to VE) such a nice guy this risk. "Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto." strange logic etc. "I approve with lynching The Professor today. Still want greymist dead." - finally after it was already decided that curu will die. pfff. Okay I finished reading him now. He's getting angrier at the end. Somehow he thinks that he's confirmed town. Conclusion, if he's scum, he's not scum along with cascades. His scumpartner would very likely be MarserBlood, (maybe refallen or (not equally likely tntp)) since he never really talked about this guy 1. MarserBlood // jaj21 + Show Spoiler + okay, first of all, the following players are obviously the ones left. I think I made my townreads on everyone else pretty clear. "I can't believe Arcto lost the elections. I think it must be Mafia play, because they are scared of him in office." hahaha okay. How do you know that? (sadly he cannot answer me this because he was replaced) On December 15 2011 23:00 MarserBlood wrote: Could you clarify why? defending risk! there we go! (scumteam risk/marserjaj ftw) "@Deus: Had a look through your filter, and your day 2 defense of Curu/ProfBA is totally baffling to me. During night 1, you claim that Curu is the scummiest of the veterans/hydras and explain the logic behind lynching him. Then on day 2, you defend him strongly on the basis that lynching him will harm town atmosphere, while still claiming that he's almost certainly scum. The evidence of this game and the one you linked suggests that he harms town atmosphere a lot more when alive than dead. Then on night 2, you're back to explaining exactly why it was a logical lynch. Really?" into "@Deus: I don't think I'll ever be happy with your explanation but your list looks solid so let's roll with it for the moment. Electing you as police chief rather than prankster is zero-risk anyway." cool. He's electing me despite he accused me since he joined the game. thank you. "Nah, that'd make no sense given that most people have a town read on him. huh change of mind. okay..." + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2011 05:05 jaj22 wrote: Ok, gone through Sheth's filter again using a pretty lame pattern-spotting technique. Basically I mark positive comments (praise, defence, positive analysis) as a plus and negative comments (calling for attention, attacks, negative analysis) as a minus. It looks better in fixedsys. In order of appearance: + Show Spoiler + Radfield+++- Greymist++++++ Arctocod----- prplhz----- Deus+++++++--- risk---+--+ ProfBA--++----V DropBear- xsksc-- zentor----- zeks--------++- Nisani/VE+-- Refallen---- Eiii-- Spaackle+--V Cascades--------- Comprissent---- Evantrees---- Giygas------- Marserblood/jaj22------ TNTP+- nyczbrandon+---V Cwave-+ Jitsu-- A lot of the minus-heavy lines aren't as similar as they look here, so they're pretty misleading. He presses prplhz, Zeks, Zentor and Giygas in a relatively concentrated manner, while the others are mostly "clean up these lurkers" spamreads and shouldn't be treated equivalently. Other general patterns: 1. If he presses anyone hard, they flip town. 2. He's not afraid to criticise scumbuddies a bit. 3. If veterans say stuff that he likes, he praises them. TNTP and Cwave get off very lightly, while Jitsu is a very late addition to his day/night 3 spamreads. He buddies up consistently with Deus until night 3. There's likely to have been some distancing in his day/night 3 posting, but it's so scattershot that it doesn't narrow anything down. Other than that I'm not seeing much of use here. somehow I like that post. But it's a nulltell... "Reasons to lynch Cascades: Posting is almost all defensive and/or veteran-hate. Also I still think this is a scumslip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12795425 " hmmmm I am starting to like that guys posts... well. Let's see. 24. cascades Yeah well. I read his filter three times now. It contains only useless shit. recently he accuses me for no reason (together with risk.nuke) and I am tired. ___________ conclusion: Risk is looking worse after I posted this compared to my opinion before I wrote this. jaj21 doesn't look too bad. Refallen doesn't look too bad, I am struggeling with him. Maybe he's cascades scumbuddy... Well. A lot depends on cascades flip. I am willing to discuss the possibilities. 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Cascadees: "OT: @Sheth, No my nick comes from cascades as in waterfall. I did look up the juggling term you mentioned. I can do basic 3 ball cascades though, so hey, I got a new origin story next time someone asks." mhm... "Dropbear: Has made one scummy post. That wasn't enough for Arc to vote him, but he is also a lurker. Needs to defend himself ProfBadass: Made a post for election and disappeared. Well he is a vet, so I would give him more leeway. For now." commentating on the scumvets. But he commentates the behaviour of 5 already confirmed (due death) townies in the same post. At this point of time several people called out both scumvets already, so it's nothing new etc. "Some people were questioing about my late vote on spaackle. I was on the fence about spaackle. I had seen Radfield and ProfBadass push against him. I know he made a "slip". However, nothing else stood out as scummy enough. Sure, people pointed out holes in his analysis. Still, I felt his posts on the election was good. None of this RNG bullshit." defending his vote. "Now spaackle has turned up innocent, and a blue too. If I was to redo my lynch, would I lynch spaackle again? The answer is yes." - I think I already posted this line of casc earlier. This strong defense of his mislynchvote isn't necessary at this point. Noone accused especially him for the mislynch. "Who do you and Deus think should have been in office then? ProfessorBadass was the only vet that was online. I don't think the people who voted in ProfBadass were at fault." On December 15 2011 22:17 cascades wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2011 21:06 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 15 2011 19:04 cascades wrote: Let's hope mafia helps kill all the vets for us. =) why? joke? joke question. I also already posted this one. I still don't understand his joke. He didn't explain it to me. "Radfield: Has been active and has good content in posts, being helpful. Based on posts alone, I think he is most likely of all the vets to be townie. Arc: Very good activity. Has to elaborate and give reasoning for most posts though. "Cos I say so" doesn't cut it. Deus: He used to post simple one-liners. That doesn't help us much. He has put in more effort in his posts since then though. ProfBad: Bursts of activity. While he was here, he was active in helping find scum. Needs to be more involved though so that we can get something done. Dropbear/bumatlarge: Bad activity. Only came out to respond when accused. That would be really suspicious if it wasn't for the fact he got replaced, so there's somewhat a reason for that activity. Neverthless, I will be watching his replacement closely." His thoughts on the vets.: First of all, I think it's astounding how he purposeful picks out the players that are actually considered to be vets, although noone of these vets made a list of the vets in the thread. Somewhere he picked up these informations about the players and I strongly doubt that he read back into our last games and tries to see who played how many games. Did he really look whether me, supersoft, is a vet? I think someone made up that list in their scumQT. "I will wait for ProfBad to defend himself before making final judgement." yeah sure. Wait for the defense and see how the general atmosphere develops... After this post and Curus failed defense, he starts yelling at curu and being really upset that curu is such a disappointing scumplayer lol. Townmotivation to rage at a failurescum? Noneexistant. After Greymist claimed medic: "As a matter of principle, I don't like Greymist's defence. He said that he is not remaining tight lipped, but I don't see him contributing anything new for town - he's just repeating his previous scumtells. Evantrees and I have already posted a refutation, so I suggest you guys go look at that instead of trying to jump on an invalid bandwagon." - I think he didnt realize the impact of this claim. With no counterclaim greymist was confirmed town. "At last Deus actually gives his own opinion instead of fishing for others! Applause for his first real "contribution". You are going to have to do better than that I am afraid. I don't even know what is behind town's high regard for you. Definitely artificial. All you have done so far is to jump on bandwagons, such as trying to claim credit for Greymist's lynch. You were 95% sure then. Good night." attacks me when I call him out the first time. He avoids the direct discussion by leaving. Of course I was 95% sure then 95% not 100%! He played strange, the medicclaim saved his ass and explained parts of his defensive behaviour. (Hey Greymist. Now that your medicpowers are gone, you have no reason to hide your opinion anymore... just saying) I wont commentate on the rest. All he does is accusing me for little reason. He experiences support by risk.nuke. I don't know how to file their alliance against me. General thoughts: He basically never explained anything and he never defended himself. He seems to just not care about the townvictory. Scum sacrifices a player from time to time. Town never sacrifices a player. It's just stupid. I don't want to die to make someone look scummier I accused earlier. Since I cannot know his alignment for sure, my death won't help the others at all. Townies are wrong all the time and that's no reaon to kill them. Therefor it's not in towns best interest to accuse the one who accuses you, just because he does. These emotional OMGUS doesn't convince the others and is just bad play. | ||
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"was mostly just things picked out of context to make me look bad" put them back into the context and prove your theory that I want to make you look bad. Your play sucks. The only thing that makes me believe that you are town is the fact that it really seems that you believe that too. if cascades flips red, I think refallen is the man of choice. (right now) | ||
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I know, he only says I am scum. risk.nuke:"You've been saying casc is scum for more then 1 day but you didn't manage to get him lynched and you didn't try very hard. Then you get unreasonably supermad when a townie gets lynched." I think I made it pretty clear, that I was 50% mad at myself for not pushing hard enough. But yeah. __________________ Of course I am supermad that you think I am scum! I was probably right since day3 with my cascades thing, because I read the thread 2 times, one time each player individually and one time the whole thread to catch the situational specialities. I put work into this game and all I get is "you're scum." from a player that has done nothing so far. From a player that requests medicprotect for himself and the scumgodfather night one. You're case against me contains terrible logic. You leave out the obvious context of my actions, you leave out every other action. You are the one who picks out little things. I didn't agree with radfields targets. However I generally respect his choices and I think he's a better player than me. Comprissent and Cwave were lynches I could only argue against that cascades is even scummier. Jitsu was shot and zeks never gave me the chance to defend him. There was some discussion going on about him in the night, but we never discussed him being shot. + I thought cascades was the obvious candidate for this at this point of time. In the meantime, I trapped sheth with wifoming the watcherability at night. But okay, obviously scum bussing his teammate. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:19 kitaman27 wrote: Night One Welcome to TL News at 10. In our top story, Radfield has officially been elected as our new Mayor in a historic landslide victory. As top loser, ProfessorBadass has been elected Pardoner. We all hope they use their new leadership roles to bring stability to the town and end the times of chaos. In other disturbing news, former TL News anchor and recently murdered Spiritual Leader GMarshal may not be who he seems. Our top reporter Cyber_Cheese (no relation to the recently murdered mayor Cyber_Cheese) is on the scene of GMarshal's former residence, uncovering horrifying details of a sinister plot. Hundreds of crazed individuals have been discovered locked in his basement, muttering incoherent phrases about friendship and tolerance. We will bring you up to the minute updates on this story as it progresses. But first, let us bring you live to the daily execution in town square, now available in HD. Spaackle was dragged from his home shouting pleas of innocence. As their first act, the newly elected Mayor and Pardoner wraped a noose around his neck and kicked the stool from underneath him. I guess politics really is a deadly game. + Show Spoiler + Spaackle the Politician has been lynched! Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the Politician. Twice per game, you may buy target player's vote and dictate their day cycle and election cycle vote. The results of your action will not be reflected until the final vote count. You win with town. You have 24 hours to submit all night actions. Please remeber to send them to both Cyber_Cheese and myself. Wait a second!!! This role is pretty similar to TNTP role... | ||
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cascades (5): DEUS-ex-MAFIA, risk.nuke, Comprissent, GreYMisT, GiygaS nyczbrandon (3): GreYMisT, Liquid`Sheth, Cwave, MrZentor, zeks, cascades, -MrZentor, -zeks, -GreYMisT ____________________________________ How do you explain this for example. Risk and I were both on cascades at day3. I think we both were asleep already like 3-5 hours before the deadline. Do you think it's smart for scum to sacrifice one player at day3 when you just lost 2 good players in a row? Do you think both risk and I could have bussed cascades from day3 on? Especially risk, do you think if he and cascades are scum, he would jump on my wagon against his last remaining teammate, when Radfield presents another target? Or do you think Risk and I are scum together? Really? We're yelling at each other for the whole time? I want to lynch him if cascades flips green, I hope you take that into account... I have so many questions, your theory is so strange. I think cascades posted something in your scumQT that you should try to lynch me. But you didn't talk about who could be his scumbuddy. You just saw risks posts in the thread and you thought "hey this guy could be the one" | ||
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trapped sheth with that action: gg | ||
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You think I'm scum now? Come at me bro. I'd love to hear whatever "reasoning" you might have." ah you're such an idiot. It's nothing personal if I think about the possibility that you might be scum. I take every circumstance into consideration and I try to figure out how to win this. by the way. I already delivered a reason that makes you suspicious but I didn't say your scum yet. If you read correctly you can see that very clearly. I hate to deal with this kind of stupidity and lazyness. This will be my last game for a while. | ||
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it's obvious btw. If jaj is innocent, tntp is the next. ______________________________________ was before I did my big analysis of this game. this game is getting way too personal. I want to be replaced please. I have no fun to play with you guys anymore. If radfield is town, thanks for playing with me. I think you're the only one who folloed the action lately If scum, thanks you really played well. bye. | ||
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annul had no time to dig into this game, but i want to thank him for his willingness to execute my orders when i was asleep :-P | ||
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