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On December 12 2011 12:23 Radfield wrote:
Well, we have two obvious candidates for mayor/pardoner. Myself, and Palmar/Syllo.
We're all three of us good players
We're all good at scum hunting
We all consistently get shot by mafia Night 1 and 2.
We are unlikely both mafia, and have decent reads on each other if one of us is scum.
The main benefit of the mayor and pardoner roles is the protection of the hidden bodyguard. With him alive, the elected roles can't be touched. As such it makes sense to use that protection to keep strong players alive, players who are likely to be targeted by mafia.
In PYPInsane myself and Mig were elected, two strong town players and we cruised to victory. In this game I recommend we do the same. Palmar, Syllogism and Myself all have the ability to be completely game changing if left alive long enough, elected roles does that.
Palmar and Syllo, maybe you guys weren't planning on running, but that would be foolish, and you guys aren't foolish.
Obviously I have no idea of Palmar/Syllos alignment, and everyone only has one vote, so please vote for me. However, Palmar/Syllo should most likely be in second place.
A vote for me is a vote for town victory.
@ Arcto I think I just liked that this first post, made within like 5 minutes of the game starting was just so smart or strong or however you want to put it. Like as I said it just felt right to me. I don't really have any great reason that it felt right for me, but I definitely feel its the strongest campaign out there. He was the first to call dibs is basically what I'm saying. And NO I don't think that he is definitely town I just think his campaign was strong, hes been fairly active and he hasn't said anything stupid. + Hes experienced and came up with the idea that the election is really only about protecting two strong townies from night deaths.
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Going to the gym, restarting computer. Trying to fix it atm. b back in a few hours.
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MrZentor Refallen Evantrees Eiii Nisani201 What are your thoughts on who we should lynch? Trying to get the inactives talking~ Also if it comes down to who we have to lynch off tonight, will the mod remove those who havn't posted at all? So its not smart for us to vote off the lurkers because of this? If they make 1 post will they get to stay? If so, I personally think unless people are getting really good reads, we should vote off the lurkiest lurker...
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It may be fishy, but please don't let it stop the others from coming out. The only reason it might seem fishy is that he posted quick and is leaving quick and didn't give much info. So come on other guys, lets see some text! Also, this is completely unrelated, but I learned it on reddit, Bears don't hibernate!
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Ok after re-reading the earlier posts... You were talking a lot about how the mayor / pardoner weren't important roles. And it didn't really matter if they were scum in those roles or not.
PRP: "Last game I WAS scum, so it's good that a lot of people had me on their list? Also, you shouldn't be talking about Palmar's performance in XLVIII when that game is still going on.
Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?"
Or at least thats how I read that to sound. So I thought this logic was really weird. I still feel that both of these positions are really strong and that having scum be them, and especially scum that are good would be the worst possible situation for town to be in. I'm not a fan of this whole If there scum they'll mess up if there elected. I've never played online though so maybe I'm wrong. Its just a feeling that if someone is good, they're not going to make an easy mistake in either place and we just have to be careful.
However I get what your saying. If there fishy, we can lynch them. I just really didn't like your logic. I'm still not a huge fan of it, but I'm sure I'll see. I'll be watching those positions really closely. Anyway I kind of ranted a bit, but thats my thoughts on it. And I do think if we get a weird vibe from either Radfield or Arcto as we continue on, then we shouldn't vote for them. As of now I don't see anything fishy yet though. I'm interested to see how Radfield responds to Arcto's last question though. Geuss I'll have to wait for supper  !
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On December 13 2011 20:45 DropBear wrote:
- I want to hear more from xsksc. He was extremely active in Steamship and Newbie Mafia, he has all of three posts here.
- I want to hear less from Sheth. You are spamming like crazy dude and none of it is helpful. It's nice that you're excited about your first game but calm down.
@OT So, hey again today guys. Yesterday I was just extremely frustrated as my computer keeps bluescreening. I'm typing this in safe mode w/ networking. I'm taking my computer in to try and get it repaired today. I might actually even buy a new computer right away, as my job depends on having a computer. This weekend + today has been extremely frustrating dealing with these computer issues. So if I dont post too much today, its because I'm trying to get my computer fixed with 100% of my abilities. Also my phone sucks for typing online, but I'll try and post with it.
Ok, on topic. I find it weird you chose to call me out after I hadn't spammed or even posted in something like 5-6 pages. I may have spammed earlier, but its how I play this game. I want to go after people and see reactions and what not, and in order for me to do that I had to get out there and post.
I want to hear more from xsksc as well. If a lot of you have reads that hes playing differently then last game, the best thing we can have you do is talk more. Who do you want us to lynch? And why do you think anyone wants to lynch GreyMist?
On my vote for lynching I'm still waiting around to see whats up. ProfBA needs to post, but even if he does, hes just a lurker like a few others, and I say mod will get rid of him if he keeps up inactive Right? I'm actually still thinking prplhz has some weak posts and I felt like zentor just doesn't like to post, and realized oh snap I geuss I need to post. I don't think that nessecarily makes him mafia, just really lurky town. But all these acusations against him have got him to talk a bit more and I still get a town vibe. I'm still not really sure on who to kill at this point. Will re-read some posts from the last few pages again now before I take my computer away.
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Yea I'd like to hear some more from risk.nuke I'll post who I'm voting for now, because I do like the idea of everyone putting who they vote for and why in this chat as well as the other one.
Election : Radfield - Its pretty much decided that radfield + arcto will be the ones who get it. We've discussed it enough. And I like Radfields vibe the most. Arcto I'm still unsure of, but theres no way I'd say something like "I think arctocod is likely mafia" like risk
Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time.
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@Prplhz I may have overstated my case slightly, but here are the quotes I'm talking about.
Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?
and then ""why is it "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia"?""
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On December 14 2011 01:21 Arctocod wrote:
Sheth, I want to lynch you. How do you feel about that?
I think its silly to lynch me. I'm trying my best to be active, sharing my reads and learning. You apparently think my read on prplhz is way off. I don't know if hes mafia or not, I just didn't think I'd get to say anything more until maybe right before elections at night so I wanted to pick one person. And for me, out of what I'd read and seen I was the most worried about him. I didn't get a really solid scum feel from anyone of the cases we've brought up so far. I came up with the great idea to go to my parents house to use their computer while I wait for mine, so thats why I'm even typing anything more now.
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On December 14 2011 02:52 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:26 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Just for the record, I will be letting the other half of the hydra decide our lynch vote for today. I mean, I do want to get him hooked on TL mafia, and I feel like he needs to be more involved for that to happen. Expect some posts from him regarding his lynch target of choice ^_^
/Harbinger I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well. /syllogism
I thought it made sense when he said that. Hes just trying to get his friend more involved in this game, and letting us know before hand to explain why its only going to be his friend posting for a while. It doesn't mean he won't have a say in it, just that in the end he'll let his friend decide. Your really going after people now. Keep it going, I want a good scum read on someone. But I think this post made sense, even though I geuss I should just let him respond with this, maybe I'm wrong.
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On December 14 2011 01:39 prplhz wrote:
You have overstated your case blatantly.
When you said it is "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia", it sounded to me like you would rather have two people who are confirmed townies in office than two proven scum hunters like Radfield and Arctocod, who would be null tells. This makes no sense to me, especially after you used your "imaginary tone" to confirm Radfield, on a post that Radfield himself said was a null tell. There is no "100%" on day1, and even if there was, I would never pick 100% townie who can't reliably read the game over a day1 null tell who has the potential to ravage entire scum teams. Problem?
I have argued that the people in office should be most accomplished scum hunters and I will be voting for them unless I get major scum vibes, and by major I mean major. This is also what just about everybody in this town thinks, so it is very likely the correct approach to elections.
Now you are straight up lying when you say that "[prplhz] thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs". Dude, this is just bad. Only mafia has a reason to lie to discredit somebody, wouldn't you agree? Town would clear matters and minds up, but you just jump to conclusion and then you discredit me and try to get me lynched.
Ok. So I think were both thinking close to the same thing, but your still not thinking what I am prplhz. When I say Its "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia" and you say "I'd rather have two people who are proven scumhunters like radfield and Arctocod" I don't disagree with you. There is a pool of people who are good scum hunters apparently. Radfield + Arcto aren't the only two who have experience, and I simply want two who feel the most townlike to me. In this game, it seems like there both talking and acting like town, but theres no reason we shoudln't analyze all of the best scum hunters and find those who seem the most "townie" for the positions.
And as for me lieing to discredit you, it was just my read. I don't think we have any clear "Logic points to XXXX" reads yet, so you were just my pick. I wasn't actively saying to everyone lets get him! Just posting my reasons for why I was voting early and why I had chosen you. I think everyone who has voted and not said any reasons here for why there voting are a little suspicious. And when you say "Town would clear matters and minds up, but you jump to conclusions" thats somewhat a weird thing to say too. Right now the best thing to do as town is look for small things, and jump on them just to see what the other persons reaction is, that is HOW you clean things up. I never even jumped to a "conclusion" if you actually read closely what I posted I said "If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time. "
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@prplhz I didn't even read your post up here before posting that. Right now I'm not leaning on voting for you. Just when I thought I have to vote now because theres a chance I might not get to a computer in time you were my best pick. I still want more time to look through everyones posts and now at my parents computer I have time to do this. So your still on my radar, but I'm by no means blindly saying that I'm sure your mafia or even that its very likely your mafia. You were just saying things that didn't make 100% logical sense to me.
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So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.
His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ?
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On December 14 2011 04:17 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.
His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? Sheth if you could "Call down the thunder" on one player in this game right now, who would it be?
Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more.
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On December 14 2011 04:38 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.
His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? You seem to be under the impression you made a mistake with prplhz? Can you please explain what mistake you think you made?
Sure, thats easy. I said he thinks its best if those two positions were filled up with mafia. When in actuallity he just said "Its not bad if there filled up with Mafia". He wanted just two of the best put in at office, and I wanted the two best who are acting the cleanest, openest and most often. And instead of clearing this up by putting this last sentence I made it weirder by saying that "he thinks those positions should be mafia". It wasn't a great call, but it did get him to defend himself well at least. And I've already defended why I put it like that in an earlier post on this page or the last. I thought it might be my last time getting a good look at this thread till election or even till after that.
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On December 14 2011 04:38 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.
His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? You seem to be under the impression you made a mistake with prplhz? Can you please explain what mistake you think you made?
So are you still wanting to lynch me? If so, why?
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Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone.
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Soo..
To start with this..
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On December 12 2011 13:05 zeks wrote:
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I probably won't be running but I hope other candidates do as I don't really want to see a Radfield/Arctocod office [...]
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On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote:
Voting Radfield + Arc
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He then suggested this :
As for lynch candidate tonight - I had suggested early to lynch a hydra...actually a mayor candidate would work too since scum almost ALWAYS has a mayor candidate whether it be a serious bid or not
Which I thought was off. He then calls out Deus-Ex agree'ing with risk.nuke's call of FoS on Deus. I personally think this FoS was just to get Deus to post more and see what was up. So him agree'ing with that seems weird too. Then right after that he has to go to the gym for 12 hours.
He comes back and then defends himself well, it was these early game things that made me feel like he wouldn't be a bad choice to get rid of.
And yes, the fact that others had voted on him made me look at his argument. Hes one of the first I've filtered. And I didn't find his argument that convincing. Those were the main reasons I would get rid of him, if asked at that point in time.
And as for why these two and not nisani/nyc/maser. Its because I haven't filtered through them yet. I don't think there great contributers obviously, but I havn't looked through them yet. And even though I havn't filtered through Zentor, he really quickly goes oh sense you want to hear something from me, I think we should lynch zeks. Ok bye again! And that seemed rather unhelpful as well. Thats pretty much it.
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If on the spot right now, who would you lynch Zentor? Still Zeks ?
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I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well ><
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