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TotallyNotTwoPeople
Profile Joined December 2011
United States160 Posts
December 21 2011 04:29 GMT
#2281
On December 21 2011 13:24 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 13:07 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 21 2011 13:07 GreYMisT wrote:
I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome.

I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while.

It was me.


I'm having some trouble finding it, is this the post you were talking about?:


Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 09:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote:
As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there.
Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are.

Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith?

If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations.

On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:

Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.

Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.

Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.

Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.

If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.


okay sure


This is who I want dead.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684

Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice.

Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player.

Lurks

Admits to sheeping radfield

When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said.

Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes.

Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good?
His last post in the thread: nyczbrandon United States. December 16 2011 11:56. Posts 108



I don't think you are scum, I'm just trying to locate peoples opinions on nycz.

i've read through Jitsu once, and ill have to do it again before I come to any real conclusions. so far I think he is most likely town though. He was tunneling compressient all game to be sure, but when it came time for comp to be lynched his play differed from what I thought scum play would be. Instead of voting, posting that he thought comp was scum, and then falling off the thread, he instead made it known that he was one of the first to post a case on him, and made himself known as the night post approached.

Would of course like to hear others' thoughts on this, but so far he looks pretty green to me.

No it is not what I was talking about. Posts are spoilered below:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 20 2011 09:22 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 09:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 20 2011 09:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote:
As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there.
Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are.

Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith?

If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations.

On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:

Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.

Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.

Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.

Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.

If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.


okay sure


This is who I want dead.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684

Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice.

Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player.

Lurks

Admits to sheeping radfield

When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said.

Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes.

Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good?
His last post in the thread: nyczbrandon United States. December 16 2011 11:56. Posts 108


Wait what? not worry about scum who have not posting in the thread?

As far as I'm aware the goal of the game is to kill scum, if you think i have found one then why leave it?

Because 2 things:
1) I don't think he is scum, as I have posted about before.
2) Modkills kill people just as well as lynches, and discussing someone who can't defend himself at all (by being completely afk from the thread) doesn't really help town discussion.

On December 17 2011 07:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
@VE
I agree in wanting discussion going on besides just the Curu/ProfessorBadass lynch.
I believe I mentioned it before, but I am leaning toward newbie town over newbie scum on nycz. As I mentioned before, I think if he was on a scum team they would have offered him at least some pointers on his play to make it less useless. If I am correct about him being town, I'd really appreciate it if he could step it up and be more active and post some well thought-out analysis on someone. At the very least he could do what he said he would do here:+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:

Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.

Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.

Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.

Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.

If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.


okay sure
That being said, I certainly wouldn't be too upset to see him gone, but I don't think it is a particularly good use of a lynch.

@nycz
Have you looked at any of the guides/records of previous games?

Regarding evantrees, I see a lot of the stuff that scum loves to do to be 'useful', like answering things that can be answered by looking in the op, looking at the voting thread, etc. I would be much more comfortable lynching him than I would be lynching nycz.

@evantrees
How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler +
We do
Time Cycle:
Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local]
This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle.
last one took him a few minutes(at 12:19) as well, hopefully not 19 minutes this time.
He's making it appropriately themed I suppose.
too try keep it at 3 as long as possible as in not go down to 4 members
Total Mafia = 5
Mafia kp=#mafia/2 (rounded up)
Elected peopel can't be lynched that day.
lynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure.
so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked.
the mafia has
attorney used
a roleblocker
and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election.
I could list more, but I think you get the point.

On December 16 2011 09:27 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
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On December 16 2011 09:17 Radfield wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@greymist
What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like:
:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it.

If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?


Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion.

Hmm, I seem to recall seeing some ideas for posts/posts made in quicktopics before posting them in the thread from past games I have read through, and I have certainly seen some coaching of newbies in them. Regardless, this part still stands: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?
Unless Greymist believes nycz decided to use that strategy on his own and then decided to ask:
Show nested quote +
How many reds are in this game btw?
on his own as well.

On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@greymist
What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like:
Show nested quote +
:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it.

If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?


Quod nescimus soli, una scimus
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 21 2011 04:30 GMT
#2282
Wow, after reading through Cwaves posts I'm really impressed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=232648 <- His Filter

He consistently is using pretty good logic and not letting the veterans over power him. He isn't really posting too much information and I'd like to see his top 3 reads, but he brings up a good point that Deus-Ex has a Scumranklist.


On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Okay, time for a short summary:

1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by
2. MarserBlood now jaj22
3. nyczbrandon
_____

I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game.
Especially:

Myself
10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum.
14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town
19. Radfield obviously
15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam
3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim
11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence
18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence
12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence
22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence

Null:
8. Refallen
5. Comprissent
9. Cwave
these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above.

_______

tonights plan:
I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him
Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed.



Thats the list so thanks for posting it Deus. Could you please give a little more reasoning on those bottom 6(now bottom 4) please though? I'd like to hear more from you. Cwave actually put up his list before Deus as well, and it after checking it seems Deus pretty much just had the same list and had a few words different. I hope Deus' came from his own source because then it means we have a much better chance that those were worried about are people we really should be worried about.

Also while writing this Deus posted again. I completely agree that Cascades is a great choice for lynch, but I'd like to hear your case on him.
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 21 2011 04:32 GMT
#2283
On December 21 2011 13:29 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 13:24 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 21 2011 13:07 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 21 2011 13:07 GreYMisT wrote:
I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome.

I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while.

It was me.


I'm having some trouble finding it, is this the post you were talking about?:


On December 20 2011 09:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote:
As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there.
Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are.

Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith?

If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations.

On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:

Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.

Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.

Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.

Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.

If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.


okay sure


This is who I want dead.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684

Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice.

Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player.

Lurks

Admits to sheeping radfield

When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said.

Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes.

Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good?
His last post in the thread: nyczbrandon United States. December 16 2011 11:56. Posts 108



I don't think you are scum, I'm just trying to locate peoples opinions on nycz.

i've read through Jitsu once, and ill have to do it again before I come to any real conclusions. so far I think he is most likely town though. He was tunneling compressient all game to be sure, but when it came time for comp to be lynched his play differed from what I thought scum play would be. Instead of voting, posting that he thought comp was scum, and then falling off the thread, he instead made it known that he was one of the first to post a case on him, and made himself known as the night post approached.

Would of course like to hear others' thoughts on this, but so far he looks pretty green to me.

No it is not what I was talking about. Posts are spoilered below:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 20 2011 09:22 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 09:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 20 2011 09:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote:
As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there.
Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are.

Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith?

If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations.

On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:

Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.

Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.

Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.

Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.

If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.


okay sure


This is who I want dead.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684

Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice.

Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player.

Lurks

Admits to sheeping radfield

When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said.

Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes.

Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good?
His last post in the thread: nyczbrandon United States. December 16 2011 11:56. Posts 108


Wait what? not worry about scum who have not posting in the thread?

As far as I'm aware the goal of the game is to kill scum, if you think i have found one then why leave it?

Because 2 things:
1) I don't think he is scum, as I have posted about before.
2) Modkills kill people just as well as lynches, and discussing someone who can't defend himself at all (by being completely afk from the thread) doesn't really help town discussion.

On December 17 2011 07:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
@VE
I agree in wanting discussion going on besides just the Curu/ProfessorBadass lynch.
I believe I mentioned it before, but I am leaning toward newbie town over newbie scum on nycz. As I mentioned before, I think if he was on a scum team they would have offered him at least some pointers on his play to make it less useless. If I am correct about him being town, I'd really appreciate it if he could step it up and be more active and post some well thought-out analysis on someone. At the very least he could do what he said he would do here:+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:

Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.

Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.

Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.

Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.

If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.


okay sure
That being said, I certainly wouldn't be too upset to see him gone, but I don't think it is a particularly good use of a lynch.

@nycz
Have you looked at any of the guides/records of previous games?

Regarding evantrees, I see a lot of the stuff that scum loves to do to be 'useful', like answering things that can be answered by looking in the op, looking at the voting thread, etc. I would be much more comfortable lynching him than I would be lynching nycz.

@evantrees
How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler +
We do
Time Cycle:
Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local]
This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle.
last one took him a few minutes(at 12:19) as well, hopefully not 19 minutes this time.
He's making it appropriately themed I suppose.
too try keep it at 3 as long as possible as in not go down to 4 members
Total Mafia = 5
Mafia kp=#mafia/2 (rounded up)
Elected peopel can't be lynched that day.
lynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure.
so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked.
the mafia has
attorney used
a roleblocker
and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election.
I could list more, but I think you get the point.

On December 16 2011 09:27 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 09:17 Radfield wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@greymist
What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like:
:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it.

If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?


Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion.

Hmm, I seem to recall seeing some ideas for posts/posts made in quicktopics before posting them in the thread from past games I have read through, and I have certainly seen some coaching of newbies in them. Regardless, this part still stands: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?
Unless Greymist believes nycz decided to use that strategy on his own and then decided to ask:
Show nested quote +
How many reds are in this game btw?
on his own as well.

On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@greymist
What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like:
Show nested quote +
:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it.

If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?




Yea those are the ones I remember, thanks.
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 21 2011 04:32 GMT
#2284
OH NO!!!
Some of you even had your votes on ncyxcgtawdf

We don't even had tight votecounts!!! Now the other 2 scummembers even could have hided on cascades...
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 21 2011 04:41 GMT
#2285
Deus, read my post please!
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 21 2011 04:54 GMT
#2286
On December 21 2011 13:25 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 13:14 Jitsu wrote:
On December 21 2011 13:07 GreYMisT wrote:
I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome.

I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while.


I figured that if I was wrong on that call, I would be looked at. Hopefully you find townie confirmation and we can continue looking for scum. On a side note, I would hope that the Vig not waste a KP on me and hopefully just target a mafia.

I will look through posts again, although, I don't think my word will hold much weight anymore, though.

That one read has little to do with the suspicion on you. Your overall game presence is much more important than one incorrect tunnel. I read through your filter 3 times during this game day, and no, it wasn't to help build the case on Comprissent, it was to see if I should be building one on you.

As for the weight of your word, if you build a solid case, it will be able to stand on its own.



Meh, I thought my case on Comprissent was pretty solid...i'm actually legit bummed. I thought I was actually on to something. Fuck.

Oh well. Time to hit the hay. I'll see if I can come up with a better scumread than the last.
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 21 2011 04:56 GMT
#2287
Jitsu if your still around, please read Cwaves filter and give me your thoughts! Or do it in the morning please!!
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 21 2011 04:59 GMT
#2288
NP Sheth. I'll do it in the morning.
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
TotallyNotTwoPeople
Profile Joined December 2011
United States160 Posts
December 21 2011 05:10 GMT
#2289
On December 21 2011 12:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 12:22 Radfield wrote:
I shouldn't need to say this, but vigilantes should be firing tonight. We have about 8 players who could all die, and I would not be particularly saddened.

Cwave
Sheth
nyczbrandon
Jitsu
Marserreplacement
cascades
refallen

pew pew


I support this message too.

Hey, uh, why do you support a message suggesting that you get shot?
Quod nescimus soli, una scimus
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 21 2011 05:15 GMT
#2290
I don't support me getting shot in perticular, in fact I think its stupid to shoot me. However I get that its a numbers game here for us, where we have some good reads for those who are town and we we have some players we have a good scum call on. If the town had 2 lynches for instance it would be great to use them. I think this list should only have "Jitsu Marserreplacement Cascades Refallen" in it honestly, but I get the idea behind it and I think its smart. If we can remove some of the players who are "likely scum" its smart for us to do it. By me saying "oh no don't shoot me or do this!" I'd just be hurting us all.
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 21 2011 05:16 GMT
#2291
On December 21 2011 14:10 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 12:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 21 2011 12:22 Radfield wrote:
I shouldn't need to say this, but vigilantes should be firing tonight. We have about 8 players who could all die, and I would not be particularly saddened.

Cwave
Sheth
nyczbrandon
Jitsu
Marserreplacement
cascades
refallen

pew pew


I support this message too.

Hey, uh, why do you support a message suggesting that you get shot?


TBH the list could easily be

Cwave
Sheth
Nyczbrandon
Jitsu
Marserreplacement
cascades
refallen
totallynottwopeople

He even says 8 people in his post, I guess he just forgot to put you up there. Do you support this initiative?
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 21 2011 05:29 GMT
#2292
Ok, well I'm going to bed. No one likes answering me tonight anyway! Cya guys 2morro!
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
TotallyNotTwoPeople
Profile Joined December 2011
United States160 Posts
December 21 2011 05:33 GMT
#2293
On December 21 2011 14:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 14:10 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
On December 21 2011 12:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 21 2011 12:22 Radfield wrote:
I shouldn't need to say this, but vigilantes should be firing tonight. We have about 8 players who could all die, and I would not be particularly saddened.

Cwave
Sheth
nyczbrandon
Jitsu
Marserreplacement
cascades
refallen

pew pew


I support this message too.

Hey, uh, why do you support a message suggesting that you get shot?


TBH the list could easily be

Cwave
Sheth
Nyczbrandon
Jitsu
Marserreplacement
cascades
refallen
totallynottwopeople

He even says 8 people in his post, I guess he just forgot to put you up there. Do you support this initiative?

I do not support being my being shot.
And I doubt he simply forgot to list me as someone to shoot, considering not long ago he listed me as someone he may protect:
On December 21 2011 06:29 Radfield wrote:
no one needs to know whom I am protecting. I can figure that out on my own. zeks, TNTP, Prankster, etc.

For now I think the best action is Dues-ex as #1 and Greymist as #2.

Quod nescimus soli, una scimus
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 21 2011 08:20 GMT
#2294
mhhh I changed my mind. I am not going to watch Radfield for sure.
I got 3 people on my paper and I am going to roll a dice.
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 21 2011 09:35 GMT
#2295
On December 21 2011 17:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
mhhh I changed my mind. I am not going to watch Radfield for sure.
I got 3 people on my paper and I am going to roll a dice.


or maybe I don't roll a dice and pick radfield instead...

Do you want to know the other 2 people on my list?
well... one of them is zeks...

:-)

maybe I put only 2 people on my watchlist... Radfield and zeks?
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 21 2011 10:55 GMT
#2296
if someone has an ability to kill someone, shoot cascades.
I approve this shot!
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 21 2011 11:15 GMT
#2297
On December 21 2011 06:16 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
oh nvm cascades just voted shet. I think cascades, nyczbrandon and Comprissent are scum.
If Comprissent was town, cascades could have easily jumped on his wagon. okay :-P
thank you =)


okay, sorry @ all - now I see what went wrong!!!

He voted sheth in the electionthread! Okay, I should have seen this and pushed much stronger for his lynch.
That was so bad...
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
December 21 2011 12:10 GMT
#2298
@Greymist What did you think saved you? Was it your defence? Nope it was your roleclaim. And now you are trying to accuse I was being helpful in pointing that out. As a virtually confirmed townie you should think more before posting.

@Others trying to suggest I was trying to build up town cred by not voting for Greymist. These people trying to paint me as scum can do so either way - If I voted for Greymist I was happy to see some non scum die. If I did not vote for Greymist its because I know better and I was trying to build towncred. You can see how much towncred I obtained. I had the stance I was going to see Greymist's defence before committing my vote and I stuck to it. I gave Greymist another chance because his first defence was a short one from his phone and not a full one.

@TNTP When I post a case, I am pretty darn sure about it. Right now, I don't have a strong scum read on any of the survivors atm. I was pretty sure that the mafia play this game reflects the fact that the surviving mafia are lurkers. And of today, evantrees seem to be another confirmed townie and nycz was modkilled. While it is entirely possible that the mafia lies in the rest I have pinpointed out, I need to re-evaluate in light of this new information.

As for Deus, I was just pointing out the incongruity between town's treatment of him and me. That would be the explanation above. Shouldn't you expect a vet to contribute more? That was why I was pressuring him throughout for more detailed posts that don't consist of him asking everyone's opinions and saying nothing himself. Would you not agree that sort of play leans on the scum side? Of course pressure by myself with such an unpopular stance makes me seem misguided and not achieve anything. I thank some members of town for finally catching on and asking questions of Deus too. With their help, Deus finally made more substantive posts and took a stance.

@Deus, of all people you should understand the logic of watching Radfield and you know what would happen if Radfield dies.

Note to self: I probably should develop the habit of making small one liners in each place that don't say anything instead of one gigantic post. Noone reads that, and small one liners have the effect of upping my post count into more pages. -_-
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
December 21 2011 12:14 GMT
#2299
@Deus I voted Sheth as at that point in time, Sheth had a vote for him. I wasn't sure how twon and I wanted the rest of elections to go.Yeah that was so bad of me not to vote for you.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
December 21 2011 14:13 GMT
#2300
On December 21 2011 17:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
mhhh I changed my mind. I am not going to watch Radfield for sure.
I got 3 people on my paper and I am going to roll a dice.


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