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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
i told you he was town!!! I posted it in the thread! THIS NIGHT. I stop posting now. You killed three guys in a row i disagreed with. My opinion doesn't count anyway. Lol Radfield. ARE YOU SCUM? Killing 3 noobtownies in a row? I mean wtf? Go filter these three guys. Are you kidding me? Look at them? How is that scum? Look at cascadees! How is he more likely town than these guys? Where are any cases against these people? Pfffff | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
this is fucking stupid. You're failing so hard! I believe noone of you actually read the whole thread! If noone invests the minimum of work, we have no chance. You idiots just play this game sheeping around like scum! All you do is trying to prevent getting lynched. Especially you, greymist. Your play sucks! | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
I realized sheth was scum, like 4 hours before he got shot I accused bum and I accused curu. Cascades is scum and if you lynch him, you will see that my play is pretty stellar. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
scumslips like this and being wrong all the time make you extremely scummy. If Cascades is town, you're the one I am looking at. (But he isn't) | ||
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Vatican City State258 Posts
Don't make me think about you. | ||
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lynch: Cascades. _________________________ tomorrow: lynch: jaj22 game over. | ||
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or can you figure that out yourself? | ||
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Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 26 2011 08:16 risk.nuke wrote: Yes I would love to hear your cases because what you just wrote is not obvious. It's actually absurd. lol you are funny. How is that absurd? who is scum if these two aren't? | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
lynch me because I told you they were town. You know what, it's useless to write cases. You don't read them, and if you read them, you don't understand them. If I am right i am scum, because noone could know. bwah whatever. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA I am the greenest guy in this town. If you don't see it and accuse me for having the right feeling towards everyone who died the past few days. Ok. I can't argue against your idea of "I am the smartest, if he knows better he's scum". 3. GreYMisT medicclaim. Ok. Pretty useless aside from his blue power. 19. Radfield was wrong in the past, it's no problem to be wrong. There are a lot of things that make him town. I won't list them all. He played a pretty good game so far. 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople I always commentated on his gameplay and I don't need to reread this guy to post my opinion here. I think his role is scummy - no question there. But if he is scum, that role is stupid to claim. You have to worry that some townie also has this role and you have to trade 1n1. This is no wifoming btw.: If he's scum, claiming this role is highest risk and stupid. 8. Refallen phew I got to filter this guy: (I read his filter after reading risks filter, read my things on risk first) accuses sheth very early on "^^ good point by deus do not double lynch!!" wohoo he's thinking! "I really disagree about Cascades, I actually have a pretty strong town read on him. Him saying that he would lynch spaakles if first night repeats itself is, imo, not scummish in any way. Rather, it is a townie sentiment, that even though he flipped blue, at that time, he was probably the best lynch available to us. Also, I don't see how suspecting Radfield = anti-town, as Greymist tried to make a case on." if you read this refallen, could you please rephrase this and post some additional stuff to back up your concerns. I know this post is old, but the case on cascades is old aswell. "Why is cascades suddenly a prime target for lynching? I really think he's town." (he's accusing sheth all the time between these quotes) "Honestly cascades, I thought you were a townie all the way. Except for the fact that Sheth was trying so hard not to vote for you. You say he could have easily jumped on the comprissent bandwagon and probably that's true, but maybe he didn't want to be seen as bandwagoning and thus Mafia? Also, I know Radfield is seen widely as most probably town, but has there been any thought in electing Zeks and another blue who has roleclaimed? (wait, are there any eligible for voting this cycle?)" - Ah!!! I like this post. This is townlogic. You my friend go up on my list very very fast if cascades flips red :-D "deus, no I don't. I just think jitsu is being really suspicious now, especially with his last few posts (leaving a vote on me because discussion has died down? totally ignoring TnTP's points on me too, btw.) I'm not DT. I just think jitsu>cascades in scumniness right now, though definitely cascades will be a good shot too." ok. I believe you. I ranked you above risk after reading your filter. I might rank you above tntp though... + Show Spoiler + okay, I just went to the toilet and I realized, his sudden change of mind towards cascades may be the consequence of the growing pressure on casc. 12. risk.nuke completely useless the whole game long: I'm rereading his filter while i write this post: "I never said I liked Rafields plan" into "I never said there is something wrong with it either" into "Deus. what you said was an inch from basicly twisting that into claiming I said something is wrong with Radfields plan. FoS" "Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas." huh? you realize that you're talking without any substance? He's scum but if he's town, he's good, or not, or scum... "I dropped supersoft because I got a townread on his responses, sure they were idiotic but they were idiotic townie responses." funny that someone calls me an idiot who is wrong all game long. (I am thinking that he's scum right now, while I post this. Hopefully I am going to read something in the near future that makes him look better) "Sorry I was at the gym." Oh okay, so you missed the whole discussion about you that was going on and you don't drop a single word about this discussion. Cool. "No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1." ah lol, this is about sheth. SHARP REASONING BRO! "Zentor you're an idiot." is the response to: Zentor: "Can you give me a legitimate reason to not lynch Seth?" - the followong dialogue between risk and curu makes him look a little bit better - I am looking if I can find something artificial about that discussion. It seems to be ok though... This however is pretty silly: "Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives." (Risk wants medicprotect for himself and DB... lol.) "You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you." (to VE) such a nice guy this risk. "Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto." strange logic etc. "I approve with lynching The Professor today. Still want greymist dead." - finally after it was already decided that curu will die. pfff. Okay I finished reading him now. He's getting angrier at the end. Somehow he thinks that he's confirmed town. Conclusion, if he's scum, he's not scum along with cascades. His scumpartner would very likely be MarserBlood, (maybe refallen or (not equally likely tntp)) since he never really talked about this guy 1. MarserBlood // jaj21 + Show Spoiler + okay, first of all, the following players are obviously the ones left. I think I made my townreads on everyone else pretty clear. "I can't believe Arcto lost the elections. I think it must be Mafia play, because they are scared of him in office." hahaha okay. How do you know that? (sadly he cannot answer me this because he was replaced) defending risk! there we go! (scumteam risk/marserjaj ftw) "@Deus: Had a look through your filter, and your day 2 defense of Curu/ProfBA is totally baffling to me. During night 1, you claim that Curu is the scummiest of the veterans/hydras and explain the logic behind lynching him. Then on day 2, you defend him strongly on the basis that lynching him will harm town atmosphere, while still claiming that he's almost certainly scum. The evidence of this game and the one you linked suggests that he harms town atmosphere a lot more when alive than dead. Then on night 2, you're back to explaining exactly why it was a logical lynch. Really?" into "@Deus: I don't think I'll ever be happy with your explanation but your list looks solid so let's roll with it for the moment. Electing you as police chief rather than prankster is zero-risk anyway." cool. He's electing me despite he accused me since he joined the game. thank you. "Nah, that'd make no sense given that most people have a town read on him. huh change of mind. okay..." + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2011 05:05 jaj22 wrote: Ok, gone through Sheth's filter again using a pretty lame pattern-spotting technique. Basically I mark positive comments (praise, defence, positive analysis) as a plus and negative comments (calling for attention, attacks, negative analysis) as a minus. It looks better in fixedsys. In order of appearance: + Show Spoiler + Radfield+++- Greymist++++++ Arctocod----- prplhz----- Deus+++++++--- risk---+--+ ProfBA--++----V DropBear- xsksc-- zentor----- zeks--------++- Nisani/VE+-- Refallen---- Eiii-- Spaackle+--V Cascades--------- Comprissent---- Evantrees---- Giygas------- Marserblood/jaj22------ TNTP+- nyczbrandon+---V Cwave-+ Jitsu-- A lot of the minus-heavy lines aren't as similar as they look here, so they're pretty misleading. He presses prplhz, Zeks, Zentor and Giygas in a relatively concentrated manner, while the others are mostly "clean up these lurkers" spamreads and shouldn't be treated equivalently. Other general patterns: 1. If he presses anyone hard, they flip town. 2. He's not afraid to criticise scumbuddies a bit. 3. If veterans say stuff that he likes, he praises them. TNTP and Cwave get off very lightly, while Jitsu is a very late addition to his day/night 3 spamreads. He buddies up consistently with Deus until night 3. There's likely to have been some distancing in his day/night 3 posting, but it's so scattershot that it doesn't narrow anything down. Other than that I'm not seeing much of use here. somehow I like that post. But it's a nulltell... "Reasons to lynch Cascades: Posting is almost all defensive and/or veteran-hate. Also I still think this is a scumslip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12795425 " hmmmm I am starting to like that guys posts... well. Let's see. 24. cascades Yeah well. I read his filter three times now. It contains only useless shit. recently he accuses me for no reason (together with risk.nuke) and I am tired. ___________ conclusion: Risk is looking worse after I posted this compared to my opinion before I wrote this. jaj21 doesn't look too bad. Refallen doesn't look too bad, I am struggeling with him. Maybe he's cascades scumbuddy... Well. A lot depends on cascades flip. I am willing to discuss the possibilities. But I don't want to deal with stupid accuses and insults. | ||
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Vatican City State258 Posts
However jaj is more likely risks scumbuddy. You know what I mean :-D | ||
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Cascadees: "OT: @Sheth, No my nick comes from cascades as in waterfall. I did look up the juggling term you mentioned. I can do basic 3 ball cascades though, so hey, I got a new origin story next time someone asks." mhm... "Dropbear: Has made one scummy post. That wasn't enough for Arc to vote him, but he is also a lurker. Needs to defend himself ProfBadass: Made a post for election and disappeared. Well he is a vet, so I would give him more leeway. For now." commentating on the scumvets. But he commentates the behaviour of 5 already confirmed (due death) townies in the same post. At this point of time several people called out both scumvets already, so it's nothing new etc. "Some people were questioing about my late vote on spaackle. I was on the fence about spaackle. I had seen Radfield and ProfBadass push against him. I know he made a "slip". However, nothing else stood out as scummy enough. Sure, people pointed out holes in his analysis. Still, I felt his posts on the election was good. None of this RNG bullshit." defending his vote. "Now spaackle has turned up innocent, and a blue too. If I was to redo my lynch, would I lynch spaackle again? The answer is yes." - I think I already posted this line of casc earlier. This strong defense of his mislynchvote isn't necessary at this point. Noone accused especially him for the mislynch. "Who do you and Deus think should have been in office then? ProfessorBadass was the only vet that was online. I don't think the people who voted in ProfBadass were at fault." I also already posted this one. I still don't understand his joke. He didn't explain it to me. "Radfield: Has been active and has good content in posts, being helpful. Based on posts alone, I think he is most likely of all the vets to be townie. Arc: Very good activity. Has to elaborate and give reasoning for most posts though. "Cos I say so" doesn't cut it. Deus: He used to post simple one-liners. That doesn't help us much. He has put in more effort in his posts since then though. ProfBad: Bursts of activity. While he was here, he was active in helping find scum. Needs to be more involved though so that we can get something done. Dropbear/bumatlarge: Bad activity. Only came out to respond when accused. That would be really suspicious if it wasn't for the fact he got replaced, so there's somewhat a reason for that activity. Neverthless, I will be watching his replacement closely." His thoughts on the vets.: First of all, I think it's astounding how he purposeful picks out the players that are actually considered to be vets, although noone of these vets made a list of the vets in the thread. Somewhere he picked up these informations about the players and I strongly doubt that he read back into our last games and tries to see who played how many games. Did he really look whether me, supersoft, is a vet? I think someone made up that list in their scumQT. "I will wait for ProfBad to defend himself before making final judgement." yeah sure. Wait for the defense and see how the general atmosphere develops... After this post and Curus failed defense, he starts yelling at curu and being really upset that curu is such a disappointing scumplayer lol. Townmotivation to rage at a failurescum? Noneexistant. After Greymist claimed medic: "As a matter of principle, I don't like Greymist's defence. He said that he is not remaining tight lipped, but I don't see him contributing anything new for town - he's just repeating his previous scumtells. Evantrees and I have already posted a refutation, so I suggest you guys go look at that instead of trying to jump on an invalid bandwagon." - I think he didnt realize the impact of this claim. With no counterclaim greymist was confirmed town. "At last Deus actually gives his own opinion instead of fishing for others! Applause for his first real "contribution". You are going to have to do better than that I am afraid. I don't even know what is behind town's high regard for you. Definitely artificial. All you have done so far is to jump on bandwagons, such as trying to claim credit for Greymist's lynch. You were 95% sure then. Good night." attacks me when I call him out the first time. He avoids the direct discussion by leaving. Of course I was 95% sure then 95% not 100%! He played strange, the medicclaim saved his ass and explained parts of his defensive behaviour. (Hey Greymist. Now that your medicpowers are gone, you have no reason to hide your opinion anymore... just saying) I wont commentate on the rest. All he does is accusing me for little reason. He experiences support by risk.nuke. I don't know how to file their alliance against me. General thoughts: He basically never explained anything and he never defended himself. He seems to just not care about the townvictory. Scum sacrifices a player from time to time. Town never sacrifices a player. It's just stupid. I don't want to die to make someone look scummier I accused earlier. Since I cannot know his alignment for sure, my death won't help the others at all. Townies are wrong all the time and that's no reaon to kill them. Therefor it's not in towns best interest to accuse the one who accuses you, just because he does. These emotional OMGUS doesn't convince the others and is just bad play. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
risk is already preparing that scenario. I can see that possibility and I want to prevent any chance that we fail from here. | ||
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But I want to be prepared. | ||
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On December 27 2011 07:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: The chances for this scenario: ± 2,5% But I want to be prepared. 97,5% that cascades is scum and my summary+explanation of my suspicion isn't that important. | ||
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