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On December 04 2011 05:04 Incognito wrote: Wow that was fast. I'll update this later tonight once I finish my final and finalize the setup. No popcorn. That is considered spam in my book. Also I would prefer if you did not sign up for both games at once. I know they are small games, so you may very well have time to play in both, but it seems like small normal games are in quite high demand now. I am going to accept people who are not currently signed up for any game before those who are signed up for multiple games. Hi, any idea when this game will start? =) Too bad you didn't join the game. I only know 1 or 2 of the other players. | ||
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On December 04 2011 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You vanished for like a year duder  and I don't play in every game that pops up, only ones that twinkle my fancy. haha, yeah, it's been a really crazy year... lots going on. Glad to see that you're still active though! | ||
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My personal thoughts on the events that have transpired thus far: - Discussion of randomly generating a lynch target. ABSOLUTELY NOT! Even if each and every Town player agrees and draws a 'random' number, there's no way that the mafia will choose a 'random' number and allow one of their own to go down. This idea doesn't even make sense. - prplhz 'Blueclaiming'? When I read and re-read that post it seemed to me that his intention was to say that we shouldn't sit around and rely on Blues to win the game. So that in itself is not suspicious. We should note, however, that his intention is to make it clear that he's Town. - Zodiac lists: good or not? This shouldn't even be considered. 1) We don't know the alignment of the 'creator' of the list. 2) Mafia can purposely avoid the killing from the list and that will make Town point fingers and we'll be massacred day and night. - Lynch Mafia > Lynch Bad Town > No Lynch > Lynch Town Lurker > Lynch Good Town These are my quick thoughts from my first readthrough. I am going to do a more complete and finetuned read after the NASL finals are over. | ||
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Before this debate about Soap's post and vote on Drazerk turns into an easily manipulated bandwagon, I urge people to consider the following point: Soap had very little pressure being applied to him at the time. It wasn't as though he was the focus of an intense debate and then subsequently slipped up. As mafia, he had very little reason to post at that moment in time except to establish a first 'real' post. We should not conclude based on that post ALONE that he must be mafia. We can apply direct pressure to Soap and see how things develop. Soap: There have been plenty of topics discussed so far. Do some legwork and read through the game again. What we require from you are your opinions and ideas. Either comment on what was said thus far or pick a few players and tell us what you think of them. My suggestion? Tell me what you think about Risen and Refallen. | ||
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On December 06 2011 05:02 ElectricBlack wrote: yes, as I said, your claim is consistent. I still want all your notes btw. don't update them once you're home, just post them. WHO ARE YOU??? | ||
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I'll just post the beginning for now: Although he seemed really sincere about the whole situation, we don't even know if vaderseven actually had the power to kill Soap. I'm sure Incog or wbg would have resolved the issue if Soap had been killed. Palmar has been playing erratically but it's my opinion that he is either aiming to be lynched or that he wanted to force mistakes. Don't discount the possibility of a Village Idiot. Refer to Mafia XXXI where the VI was lynched on Day 1: TL Mafia XXXI | ||
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I read through the last 20 pages or so and I'm going to say that I'm not convinced on either of these two candidates, Hier or Palmar. My impression is that Palmar was attempting to apply pressure and bad things happened. It seems that vaderseven wanted to be a hero and win the game singlehandedly with his gun. Soap flips Red -> Lynch Palmar who would flip Red and vaderseven's name is recorded forever in TL Mafia history. Unfortunately, vaderseven's instincts aren't that great. The case against Hier is to lynch a non-contributing lurker to avoid a non-lynch scenario. I don't know if I can support that. Especially when I have such a strong mafia candidate. Here is my copy and paste from the text that I sent to myself from before: I hinted at it before but I haven't had a chance to post before now. Refallen is mafia. Let's examine his posting history: Refallen's Posts After discarding a few inconsequential posts we get to these: In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism? On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy? These next four excerpts are from the SAME post! + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special. On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: You know, I find this post a bit weird. It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar... On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia. More of the same: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:43 Refallen wrote: Yes, what prplhz said about VE is what I was thinking as well. On December 05 2011 13:47 Refallen wrote: (Also I find it interesting that the other person who has called out Drazerk is VE, who I think to be slightly suspicious as well) On December 05 2011 14:30 Refallen wrote: I haven't been "jumping on easy votes" at all, I didn't agree with Palmar/Corrupt and said so, and I also laid out my reasoning why I thought Soap was scum. Obviously, I wasn't aware of prior metagame history which makes me think that he isn't so scummy anymore. How many people do you actually suspect, Refallen? Where is your analysis on these players? Why do you spend so much energy redirecting/distracting the Town? By the way, his reasoning as to why he believed that Soap was scum was that: On December 05 2011 13:35 Refallen wrote: I feel that that was a definite attempt to redirect/distract which seems scummy to me I see, Refallen... By your logic, are you not then mafia? He was one of only 2 people to vote for Soap. In fact, he jumped on that vote as though he needed an excuse to cast his vote. As soon he realized that no bandwagon would form, he needed a reason to retract his vote: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 23:11 Refallen wrote: Also, ##unvote, since from reading Soap's previous game he acted similarly and was town too. We now get to the present and from his more recent posts: Refallen's next few posts are directed at Palmar and vaderseven. He's joined the vote against Hier. My conclusion: Refallen is mafia and anyone he votes, I will not. | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:23 prplhz wrote: I don't think Refallen is scum and this is a weird time to try to get people to change to him, but ultimately it appears that it is more kingjames01 trying to justify that he's not voting Hier or something. That's the conclusion anyway. It's a weird time but this is the earliest that it could have came. I already hinted well before the vote on Hier began that I believed that Refallen needed to be watched. The majority of the post was written this afternoon and it doesn't matter how you perceive it. It needed to be said. | ||
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The problem with this lynch vote is that it gave mafia an excuse to cast their vote without having to provide a strong reason. "I voted to lynch Hier because we 'need to lynch' and he's the only guy that we had a chance to kill" is not a good reason. Now everyone who voted for him can use that. Not to mention that since we have so many votes against HIer, it's possible that not every mafia is included in this bandwagon. At least consider the following course of action: If you are town, switch your off Hier and vote someone else. If mafia really want to get a free kill, make them commit an extra vote and put themselves at risk. | ||
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On December 06 2011 12:46 Risen wrote: Two people have to switch off at this point. This is beyond retarded. Only if you really believe that Hier is Red and that mafia isn't actually trying to kill him. Who knows? If two people rescind their votes maybe we'll see you switch yours and decide Hier's fate. | ||
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Consider this: if I were mafia and this was an attempt to save a red, why would I be so vocal and tie my fate so intimately into saving someone that is very close to being lynched? If he gets lynched this day, then I'm next to go since I pushed so hard. if I am Town, then I don't know what Hier will flip if he dies. If he's Town, then I'll have saved one of our own. Mafia will be forced to decide between casting more votes against Hier or letting it go and I'll have been able to do something positive for town. If he's Red and I saved him, then I'm an ass but at least I'm being vocal about my position. I have put myself out there with this attempt and there will be more information that you can discuss about me when you see my flip. Hier is Town and Refallen is Red. | ||
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On December 06 2011 13:30 redFF wrote: There's no way your getting 13 votes on anyone at this stage. And there's no way we are not lynching. What do you hope to achieve with this lynch? | ||
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On December 06 2011 13:51 Risen wrote: Ah I see. Apparently my reading comprehension late at night is horrendous. Regardless, no one is getting off hier at this point with 10 minutes left. We'll have to wait and pray that mafia is riding one of their members who dropped out of the game. This is my hope too... | ||
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Over the next day, re-evaluate the game and decide if there are any players who have shown themselves to be definitively pro-town. Are there any players who seem pro-town but do not actually put themselves on the line for their opinions? Good luck Town, stay safe. | ||
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Refallen, I'm looking forward to a good defense. | ||
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On December 06 2011 19:48 Incognito wrote: Do not talk to or pick on dead people. Its not fair to attack them if they cannot respond. If you want to have a discussion, please save it for after the game. Especially since you're only doing it to justify your vote and attempt to wash your hands clean... The bandwagon on Hier was formed out of convenience with manipulation from mafia. Don't pretend that there was an actual good reason to carry it out. | ||
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On December 06 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote: Yes, that was inappropriate but his farewell post was quite ridiculous Maybe he's thinking ahead to future games where he might actually be mafia. Then he can purposely not post and quote himself. It's ingenious!! If I get killed tonight, I'm going to have to come up with a really good multi-purpose death post as well. | ||
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On December 07 2011 05:16 annul wrote: okay hi people i just got home from florida civil procedure 4.5 hour final exam. my brain hurts. i dont want to think. someone tell me what is going on as of like 10 pm yesterday until now cuz i dont wanna bother reading Congrats on writing your final! How do you feel it went? A summary of major events occurring between approximately 10 pm EST and now:
Here are some of my thoughts before I post an in-depth analysis on specific players: Hier flipping Vanilla Town - On December 06 2011 14:56 kingjames01 wrote: So... for those of you who thought that flipping Hier would give Town an advantage, what did you learn? Why don't you share your amazing revelations with the rest of us? Discussion on the motivation and timeline of vaderseven shooting Soap - A simple question: is it normal that the kill order be posted in the thread and not required to be in a PM to the mods? Talking at night: If you have something important to share with the Town then you better get it into the thread. If you die we'll have more information from your flip and posts than if you took your secrets to the grave with you. | ||
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On December 06 2011 16:52 Drazerk wrote: I CLAIM ROLEBLOCK IMMUNE MEDIC ...who has to claim night one. Drazerk, how does your role work? Specifically, does it state that you will know if your medic save actually saved your target? Does it say whether your target knows that s/he was saved? This is important because annul states the following: + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2011 14:38 annul wrote: apparently someone shot me but it was negated somehow On December 07 2011 14:41 annul wrote: i just asked and was told someone medic'd me. <3. ok so reds have 3 kp then annul, what do you mean, you "asked"? Did you ask the mods how you were saved? Is that what you meant? | ||
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If Palmar was mafia, what was his intention with threatening vaderseven? During the day mafia want Townies to get lynched. They will jump on pre-formed bandwagons. They will drop hints or suggest that someone is mafia with the hopes of getting them lynched. They will keep pressure on Townies if they feel a bandwagon is falling apart. If they have to, they will make up fake analyses as to why certain posts are scumtells. The ultimate goal during the day is to be able to use their vote. Palmar's intention was to make vaderseven produce personal notes 13 hours before the lynch deadline! Slow down and think about this critically. How does this fit in with the idea that Palmar is mafia? What do you think was his play? That vaderseven was lying so that Palmar could start a bandwagon? If vaderseven was lynched and flipped and it turned out that he wasn't mafia, Palmar would be the first target. This scenario does not make any sense. What does make sense is that Palmar was attempting to force vaderseven into a mistake. Let's all relax for a bit and actually look for real evidence instead of sticking to EASY justifications for voting. REMEMBER: mafia needs a reason to vote. Stop giving them places to hide! Force them into making analyses and detail their reasoning in order to cast a vote. Pressure for more substantial justifications than, "Uh... he made vaderseven shoot. scumtell!" | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote: If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town. WAIT A MINUTE! DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE? On December 04 2011 17:06 Refallen wrote: Hello! First time at this, let's have a fun game! How do you know what a "Mafia doublestack" is? Did you discuss doublestacking with your teammates overnight??? MAFIA | ||
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Stop giving mafia easy votes! Force them to make fake analyses and the game will get much easier. Anyway, these are the players who I have been keeping an eye on: Mafia Suspects
I have previously posted my thoughts on Refallen in order to delay Hier's lynch and to force mafia to use extra votes. I will repeat it here for completeness. + Show Spoiler + On December 06 2011 11:11 kingjames01 wrote: I just got home. Bad weather, slow traffic and dinner really screwed up my evening. I read through the last 20 pages or so and I'm going to say that I'm not convinced on either of these two candidates, Hier or Palmar. My impression is that Palmar was attempting to apply pressure and bad things happened. It seems that vaderseven wanted to be a hero and win the game singlehandedly with his gun. Soap flips Red -> Lynch Palmar who would flip Red and vaderseven's name is recorded forever in TL Mafia history. Unfortunately, vaderseven's instincts aren't that great. The case against Hier is to lynch a non-contributing lurker to avoid a non-lynch scenario. I don't know if I can support that. Especially when I have such a strong mafia candidate. Here is my copy and paste from the text that I sent to myself from before: I hinted at it before but I haven't had a chance to post before now. Refallen is mafia. Let's examine his posting history: Refallen's Posts After discarding a few inconsequential posts we get to these: In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism? On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy? These next four excerpts are from the SAME post! + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special. On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: You know, I find this post a bit weird. It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar... On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia. More of the same: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:43 Refallen wrote: Yes, what prplhz said about VE is what I was thinking as well. On December 05 2011 13:47 Refallen wrote: (Also I find it interesting that the other person who has called out Drazerk is VE, who I think to be slightly suspicious as well) On December 05 2011 14:30 Refallen wrote: I haven't been "jumping on easy votes" at all, I didn't agree with Palmar/Corrupt and said so, and I also laid out my reasoning why I thought Soap was scum. Obviously, I wasn't aware of prior metagame history which makes me think that he isn't so scummy anymore. How many people do you actually suspect, Refallen? Where is your analysis on these players? Why do you spend so much energy redirecting/distracting the Town? By the way, his reasoning as to why he believed that Soap was scum was that: I see, Refallen... By your logic, are you not then mafia? He was one of only 2 people to vote for Soap. In fact, he jumped on that vote as though he needed an excuse to cast his vote. As soon he realized that no bandwagon would form, he needed a reason to retract his vote: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 23:11 Refallen wrote: Also, ##unvote, since from reading Soap's previous game he acted similarly and was town too. We now get to the present and from his more recent posts: Refallen's next few posts are directed at Palmar and vaderseven. He's joined the vote against Hier. My conclusion: Refallen is mafia and anyone he votes, I will not. Here is an updated analysis: + Show Spoiler + On December 06 2011 15:40 Refallen wrote: Oh good, so I got back home from school and now I see kingjames is accusing me of mafia, so I want to respond to those allegations a bit. Kingjames posted this and said that it was an attempt by me to redirect/distract the town. That's not true at all; I have not been redirecting votes. What I have been trying to do was ask questions in order to gain more information about people's claims. For example, for the first quote, I noticed hyshes voted for syllogism in the voting thread without posting any reason in this thread, so I wanted him to clarify. Similarly, redFF posted this and so I wanted to seek additional clarification about why he was voting for Palmar, which he duly gave. I hardly see how getting more information about people's votes = scum. Again, the next few set of quotes were me trying to give my analysis on players. You stated that I was trying to redirect/distract people, but that's not what I was doing at all. I was actively trying to give my thoughts on players which other people were discussing to be scum. On the contrary, Soap's post was much more of a redirection/distraction in the sense that he stated there was no useful information in 15+ pages of posts, and so decided to random lynch someone? At least, to me, that seemed completely weird. Though maybe I jumped on the wagon too fast. Perhaps I followed annul's vote too fast, but it appeared to me that Soap was clearly scummy, which I later retracted after being told about his past posts. And your claim that this was merely an excuse to retract my vote is quite baffling. In the wake of new information, one should appropriately change his vote. As for the Palmar/V7 thing, again, I was just trying to clarify the situation. I also wanted to try and defend Palmar/V7 because I didn't think they were scum. I joined the vote against Hier because I felt that my most intended target, visceraleyes, would not have been able to get the 13 votes needed, and as some players pointed out earlier, lynching someone lurking>not lynching at all. I hope that addressed your concerns about me being mafia. To be honest, this doesn't convince me at all. It still appears that you were doing EXACTLY what I said you were, namely, looking for reasons to vote and when bandwagons didn't coalesce, looking for reasons to retract your vote. + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2011 13:42 Refallen wrote: Right now I guess a reasonable course of action is to look at players that the two who died think is suspicious? This includes: kingjames (by both syllo and supersoft) Lanaia annul What are you guy's thoughts on the night's happenings? This doesn't even make sense. You can't blindly look at a dead Townie's suspect list and then say, "AHA! Mafia!" This post is very typical of an inexperienced mafia. Are you hoping that the Town will eliminate players that are suspicious of you? + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote: If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town. WAIT A MINUTE! DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE? + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 17:06 Refallen wrote: Hello! First time at this, let's have a fun game! How do you know what a "Mafia doublestack" is? Did you discuss doublestacking with your teammates overnight??? + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2011 18:46 Refallen wrote: One more question Palmar, what do you think of Drazerk at the moment? I know you thought he was scum earlier in the middle of day 1 (which you never really elaborated on). With his role claim at night and now that Day 2 has arrived, what do you think about him now? Still doing it... Why don't you do a little bit of legwork on your own, rather than to redirect everyone else's focus? + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2011 19:25 Refallen wrote: I completely disagree actually, I've had my misgivings about Palmar but I believe he's been showing himself to be quite pro-town the more he posts. Why do you say that he started day 2 off being worthless Truth? What are your thoughts on his posts on day 2 so far? Also, I've noticed you've been bandwagoning quite a lot. For example, you bandwagoned with kingjames to vote me on day 1 and now you're doing the same on day 2. You look more the scum than Palmar atm Yes, right now I believe annul, maybe kingjames should be the guys we're talking about today too. They need to defend themselves in the thread. On December 08 2011 01:13 Refallen wrote: And yeah Toad, obviously the votes are not set in stone yet. Have to wait till annul comes on and defends himself. At this point in time I feel he's definitely the best lynch now though. Still, we still have a good 36 hours in the day, so that's plenty of time for counter-arguments and more discussion. Why? Cause dead Townies who CANNOT possibly know our alignments were suspicious? Are you perhaps mafia and you wanted them dead BECAUSE they were suspicious of us? You weren't successful hitting annul due to him being saved and you couldn't kill me directly because I had only denounced you and that would have put a lot of heat on you? Mafia trickery. Refallen is mafia. ##Vote: Refallen | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote: Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No? Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so. Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. I actually don't think annul is mafia but I could be mistaken. I also don't believe that Palmar is mafia. This is the update player list now that prplhz has been shot. Player List: 1. 2. 3. Refallen 4. Radfield 5. Palmar 6. Erandorr 7. hyshes 8. Zephirdd 9. Drazerk 10. Jackal58 11. sandroba 12. 13. TruthBringer 14. Toadesstern 15. annul 16. kingjames01 17. Corrupt 18. 19. Lanaia 20. Risen 21. VisceraEyes 22. vaderseven 23. Mattchew 24. 25. redFF From these players, I am still wary of: Mafia Suspects
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On December 09 2011 10:25 Refallen wrote: I already addressed the doublestack point; come on, that argument is so weak it's not even funny. You're right. I concede this point. I hadn't read Mafia XLVII so I was unaware of this possibility. However, my case does not rely on that premise. On December 09 2011 10:25 Refallen wrote: I don't get this point, can you rephrase it? My intent here is that you cannot rely on dead Townie's suspicions to find mafia. Many times mafia will kill a Townie PRECISELY because that Townie suspected the wrong person. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:17 Radfield wrote: Why are you here debating something outrageously irrelevant to the current situation. Day 1 you threw your vote away after lurking hardcore, you are doing the exact same thing again. You've popped up at the end of each day making a case on an irrelevant player while barely commenting on any of the goings on of the day. You also continue to talk in generalities. Please step it up. It's not irrelevant. Just because you believe it to be so doesn't make it so. I have here a GENUINE mafia candidate who I am voting instead of speculating between players who I actually believe to be Town. | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:21 Refallen wrote: We NEED to lynch someone today, otherwise it'll be lylo really soon. Put your votes on annul and if he flips blue then go ahead and lynch palmar and those with him but we have to lynch someone today. This is RIDICULOUS! Translation: "Hey, everyone, we're almost at LYLO so let's accelerate the process! We'll kill a Blue tonight and then when he flips Blue we'll kill Palmar, another Town. | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:27 Refallen wrote: The point is that town is in a very confused and disorganised spot now. We desperately need the lynch to be able to clarify town situation. Right now you, annul, and Palmar are the two main polarising targets; more likely than not, if one of you flips town the other will be scum, and in so doing it will help to clarify the town situation so much if one of you is lynched. If we hold a no lynch today what exactly is our plan for future days? Continue on being in two desperate disorganised camps, while losing 2 townies at the night too? We need to lynch tonight. I'll go so far as to say that even if we lynch you and you flip town annul the info gotten will be so good as to justify it. Plus, there's a very decent chance you'll flip scum. Just because one is pitted against the other doesn't prove that 1 is Town and the other is mafia. Stop using false dichotomies. Just come out and admit that you are, in fact, mafia On December 09 2011 12:30 Refallen wrote: And Matt we have half an hour to get 6 more votes on red or 3 more votes on annul. Yes, red looks scummy. Is it realistic to lynch him tonight? Doubt it. God why did you guys choose to unload this drama so close to day end? Why are you so desperate to lynch annul? So that you can kill Palmar when annul fllips Blue? On December 09 2011 12:39 Refallen wrote: Matt if you can find 5 more votes I'll switch Why would you switch your vote from a player who you are convinced is mafia? | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:45 Refallen wrote: Kingjames that's not what I said at all my point is that the info we get from lynching annul or palmar will be better than no lynching as we can use that info, even if he flips town, to stand a better chance in the following days, as compared to if there is a no lynch + divided town This doesn't even make sense. annul still has 1 action left to use. You want to kill him before he can use it. Why are you so desperate? Are you afraid that he might find out something about or your scum brothers? We're heading towards LYLO. It doesn't make sense to kill Town just to see what they flip. Your plan is to flip annul and then flip Palmar. What if they're both Town? Why would you want that? | ||
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On December 09 2011 14:01 bumatlarge wrote: Why did you lie? Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well, and assuming a town floridian would counterclaim, Palmar has proven he has such a power. This does not bode well for my conclusion of you being town. -_- Palmar is at worst a null-read, and other people should be prioritized. Reading annul's fliter did not bear much fruit other then that people's personalities are starting to mesh together for me. It appears some people were day-vigged, do we have claims from that? I may have missed them skimming the thread. There were two Townies killed by day vigs. vaderseven shoots Soap annul shoots prplhz The corresponding explanations can be found very close to those posts. | ||
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On December 10 2011 00:39 Radfield wrote: I tried Palmar, I really tried. At some point I need to trust other players though, and vader yelling that annul is town(when he has more information than me) is something I cannot combat. I would say there is a 90% chance that one of you or me is dead tonight, but if we both live we can work it out tomorrow. Also, what was I wrong about, prplhz? I agree, and I had already mentioned several times I thought he looked better. Had I been around I would have likely pushed toad to pick erandorr(which I think would also have ended in a townie death). TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd. I think Risen looks decent. Zephirdd I was pretty sure was town earlier, not so sure anymore. redFF could very well be town(despite my exasperation vote last night) and isn't worth looking at just yet. Hyshes and Truthbringer could very well be scum, though both seem genuine. sandroba I think is almost surely scum at this point. He has done nothing all game. That is not a style problem, it is a motivation problem. Dollars to donuts he still has very little to say when he returns to the thread(with excuse in hand). Kingjames is scummy by virtue of playing a different game than the rest of us. Building cases that are obviously not going to get followed up on, refusing to have a strong opinion on any players currently up for lynch etc. If annul flips scum then Jackal and VE need to be looked at long and hard. Neither have been willing to vote annul all game. If annul is town then we do actually have another medic. With a either a likely jailkeeper in the mix, or if annul/vader have a medic ability, Drazerk's claim becomes complete bs. No way we have a whole bunch of protective roles with only 2 scum KP. I won't be on at all today until 1 hour before the daypost. No one protect annul. There is a 0% chance of him dying tonight even if he is town, because it would help us immensely on day 3. Watcher needs to be on vader tonight. Since he can use an ability tonight he is surely going to be targeted with a roleblock or KP. If sandro is scum and mafia have a framer, they will likely target him tonight to have him flip green. Him or annul. If you are investigating, search someone else. Medics on Palmar, myself, vader or toad. If you want to pick your own target that is fine too though, because we need a save to keep us running. I would say do NOT protect drazerk. Either mafia kill him and clear things up for us, or they leave him alive to keep protecting. Both situations are a win for town. I agree with the plans outlined in this post. I don't want to let this post go by without being discussed. Don't protect annul. If mafia kill him tonight, then we will have gained a lot of information that they won't want us to have. I don't think we should give the medics a list of players to protect though. Let them decide for themselves. Finally, I'm going to respond to this point: On December 10 2011 00:39 Radfield wrote: Kingjames is scummy by virtue of playing a different game than the rest of us. Building cases that are obviously not going to get followed up on, refusing to have a strong opinion on any players currently up for lynch etc. This is NOT true. I've been vocal and taken a stand AGAINST every potential lynch candidate since I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE MAFIA. Why should I waste my vote on a player who I don't think is guilty? Again I'm going to say: Mafia NEED an excuse to vote. STOP making it easy for them to lynch innocents. If a Townie is 1 or 2 votes short of being lynched, then the mafia will have a very hard time deciding whether they should be the ones to cast them or hope that we will supply those votes. Force them into making "analyses" and taking big risks. That's how we'll win. Also, since I am not so heavily invested in making sure that we don't "waste a lynch" I am free to sift through the voting patterns to actually scum hunt. Even if my suspects are "obviously not going to get followed up on", I'll at least have planted a seed in the minds of the Town for future lynch votes and actions. | ||
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On December 10 2011 06:12 Toadesstern wrote: because I felt we did not have a majority for Drazerk and Erandorr who were my primary targets at that point in time. At least I did not want to act selfish and just shoot who I thought was scummy without looking for recent accusations. Therefore I looked up rads suspicious list and picked someone we both think is suspicious  But you implied that the majority of the town wanted prplhz to be shot. Two players is not the majority. | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: Ok to make this clear. I would LOVE to shoot drazerk or erandorr. To be honest mostly drazerk but I don't think that will prove a thing because the majority is not thinking so as well. I'd say prplhz is the biggest consensus (looked that word up in a dictionary, sounds fancy). I think he's scummy as hell and a lot of people think so as well. SOOO, shot that guy right in his face or die yourself. Here you have a "biggest consensus". On December 09 2011 21:44 Toadesstern wrote: Third issue, about who I got to shoot. As mentioned I would have LOVED to shoot drazerk because I still don't believe a word he says and I'm calling his claim bullshit. However I looked up what other people I think are townie think about him (rad for example) and frankly I was the only one who wanted to see him dead. So I figured I need someone else. Having rads "probably scum" list already opened I checked who rad thinks might be suspicious and yes, the guy that is on both our lists without a '?' was prp so I shot him. That's the consensus I was talking about. Here you just happend to have "rads 'probably scum' list already opened". So your "biggest consensus" turned out to be one other person. On December 10 2011 06:25 Toadesstern wrote: I never said such a thing. I said I would have loved to shoot Drazerk or Erandorr but did not. I looked up a couple of posts. I thought rad's list is the best thing to go by and just pick someone we both think is scummy. That's the consensus I've mentioned. I just looked in his list. Saw we got a bunch of people we think are scummy in common and picked the guy who had neither a '?' in my head nor in his list. That's the deal. Sadly rad was not arround I would have loved talking about this and waited like 5 minutes but that's it. Here you "looked up a couple of posts" and from these posts decided that "rad's list" was the "best thing to go by". None of this makes any sense. What it seems like is that you chose a Townie and are now passing the blame off to someone else. | ||
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If I do end up dying, please take a look at my posts and I wish you the best! | ||
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On December 10 2011 14:24 Refallen wrote: Yes he was attacked, message indicates clearly that I protected him from a hit. hm... Palmar: can you confirm? | ||
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Man, I hope this post was worth it. I'm just fixing the formatting now. What I've done over the past while is to re-read the entire game and I've picked out the actions and events that each player has claimed. I took my findings and compiled them into one post. It was an attempt to find logical inconsistencies between player's actions and their claims. | ||
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Day 1 18. 24. supersoft replaces StimilantE vaderseven apparently shoots Soap Palmar claims Floridian vaderseven claims Jack Palmar claims responsibility for Anonymous vote on Hier Night 1 1. 12. Drazerk claims Roleblock Immune Medic who is required to claim during Night 1 Day 2 2. No lynch vaderseven claims JOAT redFF claims to have been roleblocked annul claims to have been shot annul claims to have been saved by a medic Erandorr claims to have been roleblocked Drazerk claims to have protected vaderseven during Night 1 Palmar claims responsibility for the Anonymous vote on annul annul clarifies claim about medic save bumatlarge replaces Erandorr annul claims JOAT annul apparently shoots prplhz annul claims he took no actions during Night 1 xsksc replaces Corrupt Night 2 4. Day 3 Zephirdd claims Parity Cop Refallen claims Medic Refallen claims that he saved Palmar from a hit during Night 2 Palmar claims that he was hit during Night 2 Drazerk claims that he was visited during Night 2 Toadesstern claims to be a Medic and that he saved annul during Night 1 Drazerk claims to have been roleblocked during Night 2 Toadesstern claims to have protected vaderseven during Night 2 Palmar's claimed actions and results as Floridian Day 1: Votes for Hier - lynched and flipped Vanilla Town Day 2: Votes for annul - No lynch Day 3: I assume that he voted for annul but the Anonymous vote has not been officially claimed Drazerk's claimed actions and results as Roleblock Immune Medic Night 1: Protects vaderseven Night 2: Roleblocked vaderseven's claimed actions and results as Jack of All Trades Day 1: Shoot Soap - Vanilla Town Night 1: None? Day 2: None? Night 2: None Day 3: ??? annul's claimed actions and results as Jack of All Trades Day 1: None Night 1: None Day 2: annul shoots prplhz - Vanilla Town Night 2: ??? Day 3: ??? Zephirdd's claimed actions and results as Parity Cop Night 1: Check Palmar - No Result Night 2: Check Radfield - Same Refallen's claimed actions and results as Medic Night 1: Protect drazerk Night 2: Protect Palmar - Success Toadesstern's claimed actions and results as Medic Night 1: Protect annul - Success Night 2: Protect vaderseven | ||
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On December 12 2011 09:03 Toadesstern wrote: V7's action n1 : None. He can only use one action per cyle. He used his dayvig day1 (we all saw that) and therefore he was not able to use a night power according to his claim. Annuls Action n2: None. Pretty much the same as V7. He shot d2 => no n2 action he could have done. I didn't put those in since we only have their word for how their powers actually work. | ||
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Day 1 18. 24. supersoft replaces StimilantE vaderseven apparently shoots Soap Palmar claims Floridian vaderseven claims Jack Palmar claims responsibility for Anonymous vote on Hier Night 1 1. 12. Drazerk claims Roleblock Immune Medic who is required to claim during Night 1 Day 2 2. No lynch vaderseven claims JOAT redFF claims to have been roleblocked annul claims to have been shot annul claims to have been saved by a medic Erandorr claims to have been roleblocked Drazerk claims to have protected vaderseven during Night 1 Palmar claims responsibility for the Anonymous vote on annul annul clarifies claim about medic save bumatlarge replaces Erandorr annul claims JOAT annul apparently shoots prplhz annul claims he took no actions during Night 1 xsksc replaces Corrupt Night 2 4. Day 3 Zephirdd claims Parity Cop Refallen claims Medic Refallen claims that he saved Palmar from a hit during Night 2 Palmar claims that he was hit during Night 2 Drazerk claims that he was visited during Night 2 redFF claims to have been roleblocked during Night 2 Toadesstern claims to be a Medic and that he saved annul during Night 1 Drazerk claims to have been roleblocked during Night 2 Toadesstern claims to have protected vaderseven during Night 2 Drazerk attempts to explain his lie Palmar's claimed actions and results as Floridian Day 1: Votes for Hier - lynched and flipped Vanilla Town Day 2: Votes for annul - No lynch Day 3: I assume that he voted for annul but the Anonymous vote has not been officially claimed Drazerk's claimed actions and results as Roleblock Immune Medic Night 1: Protects vaderseven Night 2: Roleblocked vaderseven's claimed actions and results as Jack of All Trades Day 1: Shoot Soap - Vanilla Town Night 1: I assume that he did not take an action since it was claimed that he cannot use more than 1 action in a day/night cycle Day 2: ??? Night 2: None Day 3: ??? annul's claimed actions and results as Jack of All Trades Day 1: None Night 1: None Day 2: annul shoots prplhz - Vanilla Town Night 2: I assume that he did not take an action since it was claimed that he cannot use more than 1 action in a day/night cycle Day 3: ??? Zephirdd's claimed actions and results as Parity Cop Night 1: Check Palmar - No Result Night 2: Check Radfield - Same Refallen's claimed actions and results as Medic Night 1: Protect drazerk Night 2: Protect Palmar - Success Toadesstern's claimed actions and results as Medic Night 1: Protect annul - Success Night 2: Protect vaderseven | ||
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However, it seems as though it might also be AT MOST 2 since there was a lack of deaths last night. Doesn't that seem strange? Usually the number of kills is equal to the number of mafia divided by two... Why don't they have 3 kills? Consider this line of reasoning: There's been a lot of talk about how Palmar's Floridian role MUST be pro-town. But why should that be so? How good is that assumption? If the Floridian is actually a mafia role in this game and he is given an extra vote, then that would make up for the fact that they seem to be 1 kill power short. The entire mafia team might be basing their hopes and efforts in establishing Palmar as a figurehead so that we follow him around to our deaths. So where did the extra kill power go last night? They DID NOT USE IT (or double stacked Radfield). Why would they do this? What would they accomplish? Ah... Well, let's see what actually did take place assuming Palmar is mafia. Zephirdd roleclaims Parity Cop and pretends to confirm Palmar. Refallen roleclaims Medic and now the kill power has been accounted for. Interesting? | ||
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On December 12 2011 09:18 Zephirdd wrote: So kingjames, I assume your best scum read is Refallen right now. However, no way in hell we are lynching him until the deadline, so the question is: would you lynch redFF or annul? If I was willing to vote for either player what would happen? If I voted for redFF that would make 9 votes. If I voted for annul that would only make 8. If you switched it would still only be 9 votes. To the other players: Is anyone available out there that would cast the 10th vote? | ||
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On December 12 2011 09:49 Zephirdd wrote: What would occur if there was a tie on votes ie. 10 vs 10? Good question, I'd like to know too. My guess is the first player to receive 10 votes would get lynched. | ||
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On December 12 2011 10:48 Zephirdd wrote: unless mafia decided it's a good idea to kill itself in order to achieve credibility, and that's why you can't trust votes in order to claim credibility; what's your point? My point is that based on the current situation in this game I can't see mafia allowing a double lynch. If all of the viable lynch candidates were mafia there would a false case made to introduce a new candidate. | ||
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On December 12 2011 11:03 Mattchew wrote: redFF, VE and Kingjames you better have damn good reasons for not voting annul right now. Mattchew: What is your stance on redFF? | ||
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On December 12 2011 11:48 Lanaia wrote: What if they were to both flip town? How would you feel, having advocated a double-lynch? WHY do you think annul is scummy? How do you FEEL about the medic claiming to have saved him? Is something wrong with someone being a huge part of the discussion? Would you prefer he lurks? You don't have that many fewer pages than he does. (I can't make that last statement grammatically sound :/) .... Why do you bother quoting someone only to say lol. How is THAT productive? Well, he has been pretty vocal against redFF so I can understand his intent. My real question didn't come across correctly but it tied in with the discussion of double lynching. I'll ask again: Mattchew: You have stated that you think that annul should be lynched as well as redFF. So is it your belief that they are both mafia? Please explain your reasoning as to how mafia would allow the possibility for the only viable lynch candidates to be both on their side. | ||
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Propose a reasonable mafia-oriented plan in which both annul and redFF are lynch candidates and there's relatively little talk about ANYONE else. Wait, what? Don't we have another hour??? | ||
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Oh man... =( Well, I'm going to make sure I don't miss the lynch deadline and cast my vote right now. First, I don't buy the case against annul just yet. There are a few things left to consider and we'll learn more after Night 3. Second, I don't believe that both redFF and annul are mafia as had been suggested previously. Last, redFF has a poor track record this game of attacking players who end up flipping Town soon after. He's either a very unlucky Town or a poor scum player. However, there are more than enough votes cast against redFF that it will be worthwhile to ensure his lynch. I'm not going to leave it at 10 votes just in case someone backs out at the last minute. I'm going to make it 11 and if he is red, then i'll be much harder for the mafia to save him. ##Vote: redFF | ||
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Also, if you think that redFF is mafia, do you think that he's going to do what you want him to do, namely vote for your target? | ||
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On December 12 2011 12:31 Lanaia wrote: Why do you have to be so much more eloquent than me? Maybe they have better a better curriculum than us in Brazil... =) | ||
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Day 1 18. 24. supersoft replaces StimilantE vaderseven apparently shoots Soap Palmar claims Floridian vaderseven claims Jack Palmar claims responsibility for Anonymous vote on Hier Night 1 1. 12. Drazerk claims Roleblock Immune Medic who is required to claim during Night 1 Day 2 2. No lynch vaderseven claims JOAT redFF claims to have been roleblocked annul claims to have been shot annul claims to have been saved by a medic Erandorr claims to have been roleblocked Drazerk claims to have protected vaderseven during Night 1 Palmar claims responsibility for the Anonymous vote on annul annul clarifies claim about medic save bumatlarge replaces Erandorr annul claims JOAT annul apparently shoots prplhz annul claims he took no actions during Night 1 xsksc replaces Corrupt Night 2 4. Day 3 25. Zephirdd claims Parity Cop Refallen claims to have protected Drazerk during Night 1 and Palmar during Night 2 Refallen claims that he saved Palmar from a hit during Night 2 Palmar claims that he was hit during Night 2 Drazerk claims that he was visited during Night 2 Drazerk claims to have protected sandroba during Night 2 redFF claims to have been roleblocked during Night 2 Toadesstern claims to be a Medic and that he saved annul during Night 1 Drazerk claims to have been roleblocked during Night 2 Toadesstern claims to have protected vaderseven during Night 2 Drazerk attempts to explain his lie Palmar's claimed actions and results as Floridian Day 1: Votes for Hier - lynched and flipped Vanilla Town Day 2: Votes for annul - No lynch Day 3: I assume that he voted for annul but the Anonymous vote has not been officially claimed Drazerk's claimed actions and results as Roleblock Immune Medic (FALSE) Night 1: Protects vaderseven Night 2: Protects sandroba - Roleblocked vaderseven's claimed actions and results as Jack of All Trades Day 1: Shoot Soap - Vanilla Town Night 1: I assume that he did not take an action since it was claimed that he cannot use more than 1 action in a day/night cycle Day 2: ??? Night 2: None Day 3: ??? annul's claimed actions and results as Jack of All Trades Day 1: None Night 1: None Day 2: annul shoots prplhz - Vanilla Town Night 2: I assume that he did not take an action since it was claimed that he cannot use more than 1 action in a day/night cycle Day 3: ??? Zephirdd's claimed actions and results as Parity Cop Night 1: Check Palmar - No Result Night 2: Check Radfield - Same Refallen's claimed actions and results as Medic Night 1: Protect drazerk Night 2: Protect Palmar - Success Toadesstern's claimed actions and results as Medic Night 1: Protect annul - Success Night 2: Protect vaderseven | ||
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I'm examining some of the players who haven't received a lot of attention this game. hyshes He has 35 total posts the ENTIRE game and 2 of those were made before the game started. Also, look at all of his targets. They have all flipped Town. He goads players into voting for them and he has very flimsy reasons for his votes. Finally, look at his voting record. He votes early and rarely changes his votes. Look at the players he voted for. I believe we have found a mafia hyshes. | ||
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On December 14 2011 07:35 annul wrote: also lol at the hyshes filter 30 posts of "stop sheeping palmar and going after annul" to "yeah lets kill annul" to "nm mattchew is a good kill target" He's definitely not the most vocal scum in the game, but based on his posts and voting record I would conclude that he must be mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2011 08:23 Drazerk wrote: I'm a VT TruthBringer... Drazerk: did you ever hear that heroes get people killed? If you were trying to get killed you shouldn't have claimed. Instead you should have been SO pro-town that mafia were forced to kill you. | ||
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On December 14 2011 08:32 Lanaia wrote: He is the person I find scummiest. I've had him pegged as scum all goddamn. Aside from hyshes, who are your biggest scumreads, KJ? Based on what you're doing now... you're one of them. | ||
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Either annul or vaderseven is mafia or they're both town and we're expected to choose between them. The rational part of me wants to defer this choice until our next lynch cycle and go for the more obvious scum players first but then again, who are they? If we were to actually have one in front of us, would it change anything? Have we given up on this game? Are we just holding our breaths until the lynch? Come on guys! Don't give up! I'm going to keep my vote on hyshes for now since I honestly believe him to be mafia and then continue to monitor the thread for further developments. Also: by my count, there are 18 players remaining in the game. 6 of those 18 are mafia. If we mislynch now, we'll end up going into the night with 11 Town to 6 mafia. Since there are 2 claimed medics and apparently 2 roleblockers we can probably assume a scenario where mafia gets 2 more kills. We're essentially looking at a case where we enter Day 5, 9 to 6. If annul is red, and we get the lynch, we'll go into Day 5 10 to 5 if they retain their 2 KP or 11 to 5 if they fall to 1 KP. I'm nervous. | ||
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On December 15 2011 07:45 annul wrote: there are 16 players left. the OP isnt updated night 3 kills. today is likely MYLO. hence why i woke up and started playing offense Crap, yeah you're right. So, that's even worse. Well, I'm going to update my summary and then post it into the thread. | ||
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Anyway, I'm going out for dinner. Be back soon. TOWN: TALK!! We NEED more information! | ||
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If you don't vote scumdroba, you might as well join in with his dancing. | ||
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Either switch your vote to a player who celebrated the end game win or admit that you ARE IN FACT MAFIA. | ||
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Also, Lanaia, xsksc, Truthbringer, scumdroba and possibly sevenvader are all mafia. Don't trust them!!!!!!!!!! We can still do this! There must be two Town players voting for annul right now. I'm appealing to you: don't waste your vote and doom us! Vote for the good guys! | ||
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scumdroba made a BIG mistake! He thought the game was over and he started to celebrate. Please help us! | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:59 sandroba wrote: Fine, go ahead and lynch me, see if I care. You'd be doing me a favor. On December 15 2011 10:17 annul wrote: gg reds i guess. On December 15 2011 10:56 sandroba wrote: LOL GG /dance On December 15 2011 10:59 sandroba wrote: Timezones differences suck =) This is the sequence of quotes. | ||
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Town was building a Dark Shrine and sandroba commanded his zealots to /dance OR annul hallucinated a bunch of void rays and sandroba left the game | ||
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Also, it appears that you don't know what I am and that delights me... =) hehe ##Vote: annul | ||
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They have 2 Roleblockers though. We'll never be able to pin down one of them to being the RB. So I guess the choice here is to kill a person off that list. Either annul or one of his scum brothers. If we knew the 6th mafia, and we took a random shot, that's a 33% chance to get a RB. Can we assume that it's not annul or does anyone have a reason to assume that it's him? | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:11 Refallen wrote: No goddammit I'm not kingjames, you've spent the entire game suspecting me! hehe, it was a joke! =) Notice that I never put any more pressure on you after you saved Palmar? | ||
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Also, I didn't even notice my 1000th! Thanks for recording it for history! =) | ||
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Also, they have the ability to roleblock two actions at night. Either that's the same mafia with both choices or two different mafia with a choice each. Assuming it's two players, and perhaps one belongs to the unknown, we still have a 25% chance of lynching a roleblocker tomorrow. | ||
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Also, I finally put on my bulletproof vest and I survived a hit! TAKE THAT MAFIA! DO YOUR WORST! My opinion is that they probably did not keep their RB hidden. I think the 6th player was sleeping at the time of the mass vote switch. Consider this: why did all of them switch their votes? Why not just 1? They wanted to go out in style... They took a big chance by doing so and they have revealed themselves. Let's just continue as we are and take out another red! For the Town! | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:05 xsksc wrote: Viscera/Risen have a much higher chance of flipping a role. Why is that? Do you have a preference between these two? | ||
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We know that 2 players (supersoft and syllogism) died during Night 1 which we can probably attribute to the mafia but we do not know FOR CERTAIN that syllogism took the shot. annul may have been lying. That would then mean that Toadesstern was also lying. Do we actually know that Toadesstern is a medic? | ||
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We'll chat more in the post-game bullshit sessions. I'm sure that this one will be a fun one. | ||
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Get the rest of your actions in guys! Hopefully mafia only have 1 KP tonight. Then worst-case scenario we'll enter the day 5 Town to 3 Mafia. We can still do this! | ||
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On December 16 2011 23:15 xsksc wrote: I even called you out as a mafia medic like 4 days ago lol, you were only confirmed to the dumbass townies. Again, until he flips medic we don't know that he is one. annul might have been lying that he was hit by our Vigi. | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:13 vaderseven wrote: Sweet. I actually get a 100% success if I use my ability now. Finally. Nice! I hope it's as good as it sounds. =) | ||
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On December 18 2011 00:23 Drazerk wrote: Lynch toad - 5 people Mafia kill - 4 people No lynch - 4 people Mafia kill - 3 people Looking at it vader or Kingjames will be the ones to die to the scum shots due to being power roles leaving us with - Myself Jackal Hyshes I am leaning on hyshes being scum but I am not sure about jackal at all -.- They can try to hit me, but I actually took a big risk yesterday and didn't put on a vest... hehe. =) | ||
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On December 18 2011 05:20 hyshes wrote: ok we are down to 4. the filters: me Jackal58 kingjames01 vaderseven I'm rereading all these filters atm. This is going to be difficult. I have my suspicions but I'm also going to have to re-read the game. When you're done hyshes, tell me what you think. | ||
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Suppose there's a no-lynch today and then I die tonight. How are you going to decide which player between hyshes and Jackal58 is mafia? Why couldn't we just figure it out now? If you believe that you can trust me, then we should vote together and go all-in with this vote. Whichever of the other 2 players is Town is going to have to argue hard, why they aren't mafia. What are your thoughts on that? | ||
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That was a decisive end. Jackal, are you Town or Mafia Floridian? | ||
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GG! Everyone! Damn, who was the player who kept saying that Floridian couldn't be mafia? | ||
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