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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 10 2011 22:47 GMT
#2163
On December 11 2011 04:47 vaderseven wrote:
Ugh.

Annul, you are squirming.

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:31 annul wrote:
mason means PM rights with a person. alignment is irrelevant. if i use mason on someone i get to PM them for one cycle, nothing more.


Is it day or night.

Super important.

It IS specific.



"one entire day/night cycle"
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 10 2011 22:50 GMT
#2164
and of course i am squirming. for the second time now palmar is trying to tunnel me. i can only play defense. last time i escaped by claiming. this time nobody seems to care that i'm a blue and they want me dead anyway. its retarded but what else am i supposed to do?

yesterday i could sit on my ass wiknowing that i had the card in my pocket to pull out if i needed to to survive. today what else is there for me to do? now i HAVE to try to survive.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 10 2011 23:22 GMT
#2169
the mods are making some really questionable calls this game ;\

nothing you said breaks any rules whatsoever. "be specific about the ability you claim to have" is not at all violating any rule. you can say "my role PM says X" and as long as you do not actually post the PM or screenshot or something, you are fine.

in any case, any more traps or tricks you wanna throw my way before you realize im not lying?
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 00:11 GMT
#2172
i dont know anymore. a lot of these claims make me confused. i never want to lynch claimed targets until i can disprove it somehow. and so my list of desired dead is full of people claimed or "confirmed" town by other claimers.

i liked the refallen wagon from yesterday. so either he or drazerk probably. there is still another medic out there who saved me if neither of them will claim to have saved me night 1. JOAT has (something) that protects us at night but it was not used night 1, i asked and was told very specifically it was a medic save. so there is a third medic out there which means its highly likely one of these two is lying.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 00:14 GMT
#2173
and by "i never want to lynch claimed targets" i mean shit like medics, cops, etc. not "floridas" lol
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 01:22 GMT
#2176
alright.

i am voting drazerk. if you look at his filter for like all of day 1 he goes NUTTTTTTSSSSS hard on palmar. pushing him even more than i did. and then out of nowhere day 2 he stops and switches gears. he says he medic saved sandroba night 2 (???) who is doing absolutely nothing but popping in with one liners against me and going afk for another 24 hours... what a safe claim to make by someone who wont likely see it to counterclaim or care, since sandroba has been tunneling me and sheeping palmar from the get go...

you have great things like this:

On December 06 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote:
Shoot Palmar Lynch V7 Win


On December 06 2011 03:48 Drazerk wrote:
What is wrong with the Palmar / V7 candidates?


and then out of nowhere

On December 06 2011 05:38 Drazerk wrote:
Also I now think V7 is town despite his stupidity


and his mind changed so hard that...

On December 07 2011 17:28 Drazerk wrote:
I protected V7


the same shit happened with palmar... his entire filter from day 1 is pushing palmar in some capacity and then OUT OF NOWHERE, you get this:

On December 07 2011 18:13 Drazerk wrote:
Oh yeah.

I changed my mind. I made a mistake yesterday and I am not repeating it.


then you get onto me. and push me hardcore.

i think you try to find the easy wagon and jump on it. i also do not think you are a medic. i doubted your claim from the beginning. i know either 1. there are three medics (almost certainly not true) or 2. you or refallen is lying. it's probably you, since at least he claimed to save palmar and palmar says he took a hit (i think?).



##vote drazerk
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 02:15 GMT
#2185
(which is what i put in my case and is even worse than what zeph thought)
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 02:44 GMT
#2208
lol palmar is STILL tunneling me... never mind the fact we just outed drazerk as a fake claim and he conceded it

the obvious lynch target is drazerk today. not me.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 02:50 GMT
#2210
i dont care what your meta is because metas can be fucked with

i have never seen you before. maybe 47 but i try to forget that game. this is the first time. i do not care about your meta.

i see what you do in this game. in this game you are the kill today.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 02:52 GMT
#2213
hey you know what else is funny as fuck

palmar "OMG NO WAY THERE ARE TWO JACKS" tunnels me... and when a "third" (second) medic claims, disproving drazerk, it's fine, its okay.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 02:55 GMT
#2214
suddenly it goes from "hi im medic" to "LOL JUST KIDDING IM A VETERAN"

and he uses the fact hes medic as ammo to disprove my claim (which is now corroborated; btw that was stupid to come out toad ;\)

but when the illusion crashes down its all okay? and yet i am the kill target... for what? like honestly repost the case you have against me palmar, i dont even know what it is at this point. its almost like you are trying to create some memetic identity here "YEP, LETS KILL ANNUL TODAY" for no real reason just because you failed in your tunneling the last time
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 03:09 GMT
#2217
i doubt that.

see the difference in this game is the following: there isnt a single post in my entire filter that anyone can point to that contains any lies, whatsoever. every single thing ive said so far has been the truth. every claim i have made has been the truth. all of the pressure i have put onto people has been founded in logic and truth.

we have people blaaaaaaaatantly lying and -- until now i hope -- getting away with it. i do not agree with LAL in general but when the lies serve their own interests and are so convenient, it's almost certainly because they are red. it is a great powerful shield to hide behind as a red to just say "yeah im just a dumb townie." if it looks red, it's red. occam's razor it up people.

the obvious play today is to unvote annul if you are on me and to vote drazerk.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 06:23 GMT
#2228
On December 11 2011 13:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Annul's present play is very transparent. Obviously this lynch is very important, since scum will have na uphill climb if we lynch scum tonight with palmar zeph and toad (three people I'm fairly confident are not scum) still alive. Drazerk lynch or bust is very obvious


you mean to tell me that my play only makes sense if i were red?

you dont think that a blue under constant pressure for two days straight should try to defend himself? lol

of course this lynch is important... because im blue and town shouldnt lynch a blue. is that all you see, that i am trying to get a lynch on an actual red instead of myself?
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 06:23 GMT
#2229
shit even the guy im targeting says im town lol
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 06:54 GMT
#2231
p.s. look at my sexy sexy dinner

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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 18:05 GMT
#2250
On December 11 2011 19:10 bumatlarge wrote:
I think you're too smart to jump on drazerk for being stupid.


lol what a horrible rationale


I don't think drazerk is red


at least this is something. so you agree with the meme that he is just a dumb player and when he does obviously red things, just chalk it up to him being dumb? interesting.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 18:22 GMT
#2252
On December 09 2011 20:09 Palmar wrote:
Annul gave his shot to a townie who had been very, very open about his read on Erandorr as scum. Annul probably counted on Toad being terrible enough to only aim the gun at Errandor, but because prplhz was town too, Annul ran with it.

Does anyone with half a brain actually think that town annul would not pick his target himself? Notice he did not even consider prplhz's alignment. Annul hasn't accused prplhz all game, he was completely fine with killing prplhz at random.

At this point, I asked annul why he didn't just shoot me? After all, he has been pushing for my death since day 1, if we can call his half-assed attempts pushing. He obviously doesn't give a shit who dies as long as it's not him.

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:
No, that's retarded.

If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not?


And do you know what Annul replies with?

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On December 09 2011 10:34 annul wrote:
because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day


What the fuck?????????

The only way this sentence makes sense is if annul already knows I'll flip town. According to him I must be scum. But how does shooting scum not say anything about him?

In non-crazy-world shooting scum is one of the best ways of clearing your name. In non-crazy-world you don't randomly shoot townies to save your own hide.


in case my brief explanation was too succinct for you all:

there are four choices: choose shot/pass shot; hit red/hit town

choose shot, hit red: town may still lynch me for what would be, in my mind, a great day 2 bus... something i have done the last like 4 games as red. a palmar/annul bus plan starting day 1 to coalesce day 2 would be something i am sure one of us would consider and probably execute to perfection.

choose shot, hit town: i lose my shot, i die day 2 outright.

pass shot, hit red: i did my job as a day vig in killing a red AND it looks a lot more good for me since any bus chance would have to involve three mafia, so it is much less likely i am pulling that one off

pass shot, hit town: i took the player no one thought was mafia to control my power, where if i were red i would be putting my own teammates in great danger than controlling the shot myself, thus helping to disprove any notions of redness anyway. sucks we hit town but if the MOST THOUGHT TOWNIE in the game was not able to pick correctly, then why is this my fault?

so you may ask "why did i not pick option 1 and just 1 for 1 trade?" that was the rest of my explanation where i said i had more to do for the town in this game. day vig is not my only power, after all. there is still some equity left in my role that i want to extract for +EV. so in my mind the MOST "profitable" line was letting toad pick, since he had just as much chance as i did to pick a red (i had no idea who he was gonna shoot) AND it gave me the greater chance of surviving the lynch. BOTH of the "choose shot" lines ended in either a guaranteed annul lynch or a more-than-likely annul lynch. so i came up with something else.

so do you fault a player for trying to survive? it is against the rules not to do so.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 21:22 GMT
#2267
i read redff's filter and it just seems like hes playing pure reactive mafia. is this what you all mean by "this is his scum meta?" i dont know his meta.

i dont like playing metas when you have in-game shit so obviously red (drazerk). tell me what he is doing that makes him so red in THIS game. post a case (if you did already, repost it)
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 22:14 GMT
#2280
On December 12 2011 07:05 Palmar wrote:
Seriously, we are like three of the top town players in this game. Bumatlarge agrees with the case, and he's another great player. Give us the fucking benefit of the doubt and listen.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Fallacious_appeals_to_authority

Secondly, because the argument is inductive (which in this sense implies that the truth of the conclusion cannot be guaranteed by the truth of the premises), it also is fallacious to assert that the conclusion must be true.


palmar provides no logical case against me from the beginning and palmar continues to attack me using blatant logical fallacy. the case on me is useless.

also, i am still waiting to hear the redff case in detail.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 11 2011 22:16 GMT
#2282
also palmar keeps saying "LOL THE EUROPEANS ARE GONNA LEAVE SOON"

but theyre still here. and palmar STILL uses flawed logic against me.

palmar: who is more mafia to you, drazerk or redff? NOTE THAT NOWHERE IN THIS QUESTION do i say "who do you want dead TODAY" since i know that answer already.
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