TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 3

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 11 2011 06:46 GMT

#2230

##vote redFF

I think annul and drazerk are both town. I think redFF is mafia. Of the people that I think are mafia, I think the only one that could actually carry enough votes to be lynched is redFF.

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 11 2011 21:52 GMT

#2269

Let's all vote redFF. It doesn't seem like anyone thinks he isn't scummy, whereas there is plenty of reasonable doubt on drazerk and annul.

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 11 2011 22:33 GMT

#2289

Please, speak up, anyone who thinks redFF is town.

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 13 2011 05:43 GMT

#2517

Wow, this lynch is going to be brutal. The town has only 10 voters and 9 of them have to be correct.

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 13 2011 23:18 GMT

#2614

Regarding drazerk, I don't think he executed it that well, but his plan was apparent. He was trying to get shot because he was a veteran.

It wouldn't have been a safe play for a mafia to claim to be a really powerful role (which he did) because then the mafia would gun him down really quickly and it would look suspicious if they didn't. He was hoping the trap would already be sprung, the mafia would attack him the veteran and he could explain it all.

He was trying to be a hero, but it didn't work out.

Now, annul, v7 has all the same abilities as annul. That doesn't prove that annul is town, but I think other things are compelling.
1. The balance argument. 6 mafia vs 19 town. I doubt mafia would be given a role with a day vig power.
2. Not killing Palmar. annul could have killed Palmar earlier because Palmar did seem suspicious early in the game. He could have easily rationalized it, but he didn't. Palmar was already tunnelling annul early on day 2. At that point, Palmar wasn't very highly regarded as town.
3. Giving his shot to Toadesstern. He didn't know who Toad was going to have him shoot. I'm sure he didn't expect Toad to shoot prplhz. He couldn't have just backed out if Toad told him to kill someone who really was mafia. If he really were mafia, he could have easily shot redFF or someone else who had been very suspicious all game.

Hyshes: Hyshes has made no effort towards being pro-town.

He has the MO of the average mafia player this game (seemingly.) The mafia have been staying below the radar and the townies have been the ones drawing attention to themselves. Honestly, as a town, we've made it really easy for the mafia. redFF did several shady things that brought attention to himself. So have Palmar, v7, annul, and drazerk. I'll admit that I don't know that annul, drazerk, and v7 are town, but it seems that the mafia have been able to just lay low this game and watch the town be self-destructive by some players drawing all the attention to themselves and others just focusing on them.

The mafia haven't had any need to do anything bold like claim RB immune medic or offer a shot to the most townie considered person. They've been able to lie low and I think that's how we'll find them, the quiet, unhelpful, uninvolved players, like hyshes.

##vote hyshes

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 13 2011 23:30 GMT

#2620

On December 14 2011 08:23 Drazerk wrote:
I'm a VT TruthBringer...

Sorry, what is a VT?

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 14 2011 11:05 GMT

#2716

Annul, "option 1" is so damning for you. You were trying to communicate with v7, the only person allegedly with the same role as you and you say option 1 on refallen. That makes no sense. There is no excuse for not communicating clearly with v7.

I understand why you would say "option [x]", so that the mafia wouldn't know what ability you were talking about, but listing the wrong number? Get real. Nobody would actually do that. The cover, "I thought you would be smart enough to realize I meant the first option I could use on someone," is not plausible at all.

What proves to me that v7 is the townie and you are the liar is the fact that you acknowledged his order of the abilities as being correct and you tried to explain away how the 3rd ability was actually option 1. It just doesn't make any sense that someone who could very easily and concisely say option 3, would instead say option 1. Only adding confusion with no gain.

Sorry hyshes case, you may still come in handy later, but annul's option 1 is just too much for me to tolerate.

##unvote hyshes
##vote annul

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 15 2011 01:30 GMT

#2762

I am completely comfortable hanging annul just because of the "option 1" and all of its unravellings.

At first his story is, "I thought it would be obvious that I meant medic," aka option 3.

Later, "the order of our abilities is different."

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 15 2011 02:01 GMT

#2771

annul, any explanation as to why it was necessary to lie about option number and then later the order of your ablities?

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 15 2011 02:33 GMT

#2804

I don't think we have enough time to pull this off, especially because someone who we think is onboard with the switch could be a mafia and pull his vote at the last minute. Let's stick with annul, his claim is so full of holes. Rather than address the holes he is just insulting.

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 15 2011 03:17 GMT

#2830

With misgivings, i've changed my vote, I hope you guys are right. I am now on sandroba.

##unvote annul
##vote sandroba

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 15 2011 04:09 GMT

#2879

okay medics, save the day and we know 5 mafia for sure

TruthBringer

United States578 Posts

December 15 2011 04:11 GMT

#2886

Toad was a surprise to me, he seemed townish. Risen was lurker, annul became obvious mafia, VE only became obvious to me when he continued to support annul on this day, voting v7.