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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 06:23 GMT
#375
And as I said earlier, I didn't have the metagame knowledge that you guys had that said Soap routinely makes these kinds of posts. I'm definitely ready to unvote if soap comes in and explains himself
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 06:34 GMT
#377
Yes, they were not so obvious scum...and that's why I didn't vote for them. Still, wouldn't you agree that Corrupt was an easy wagon that, if I was just looking for a wagon to jump into, would have just thrown my vote in? It's not like I expected Soap to post something that seems, at least to me, so obviously red... I'm not denying that the Soap vote was easy, but I didn't vote him just because I wanted to bandwagon but because I legitimately thought he was scum
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 14:03 GMT
#419
Refallen: Why did you emphasize before and after the game started that you are new? Do you think it's important for us to know that we can't expect much from you yet?


Hi syllo, missed this part earlier till I reread the thread, yes, I just thought it would be nice to say that I was new
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 14:11 GMT
#421
Also, ##unvote, since from reading Soap's previous game he acted similarly and was town too.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 14:20 GMT
#426
Palmar can you explain what you just did? I don't understand it at all.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 14:36 GMT
#433
the only reason I can think of palmar, as town, that you will vote drazerk is to try and elicit a reaction from mafia... but drazerk has got to be one of the less likely to be mafia, so why would you choose him for this reactionplay?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 16:19 GMT
#493
Really confused right now... can Palmar explain beyond one-liners about his rationale?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 23:41 GMT
#820
Wow lol I went to sleep and wake up to find this?

My initial thoughts:

Palmar: wtf was that? There can be no rational that was optimal play, to lie blatantly and act like an idiot to try to get a tell on one person, and in the process destroying the whole town atmosphere. (Also you should've probably made it much clearer that you were fake-claiming). Fancy-play syndrome much?

Vader: I don't see why you would shoot soap, seeing as how you admitted that soap's play was very much like how he played town last game.

With that being said at this juncture I don't think either Palmar or vader are scum, they were at worst being retarded. I highly doubt that Palmar would, as scum, set this whole fake-claim thing up and not back off once v7 claimed dayvig since v7's target was most likely Palmar. I just don't see why he as scum would do it, since I assume he's a really good scum player who has no reason to draw attention to himself like this so early in the game, and would rather try to choose a less-obvious way to take control of town discussions.

As for v7 I can't see him as scum either, though I think it was retarded he immediately cc-ed dayvig without just waiting for people to defend himself from Palmar's retardedness. I'm assuming mafia can talk at day among themselves too right? Think if he was scum his buddies would probably tell him that claiming dayvig against palmar's claim is stupid. Lastly, I think there are better people to lynch, for example, Hier, for reasons aforementioned above
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 23:46 GMT
#824
Can someone comment on my thoughts on the matter? Would be helpful!
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 23:51 GMT
#828
Palmar what do you think of visceraleyes? Don't you think he seems more scummy than Hier?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 05 2011 23:56 GMT
#834
Palmar he didn't retract because he thought you didn't retract, that's how I read the situation.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 00:29 GMT
#864
If we need 13 votes to get a majority then we urgently need to consolidate our votes!
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 01:22 GMT
#955
Hier is also fine with me but like I said I'm not ok with lynching Palmar yet.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 05:05 GMT
#1028
Does this mean we can't post anymore?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 06:23 GMT
#1035
Wait, are we allowed to post at night? I thought we weren't.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 06:40 GMT
#1038
Oh good, so I got back home from school and now I see kingjames is accusing me of mafia, so I want to respond to those allegations a bit.

In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town.
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On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism?


On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy?


Kingjames posted this and said that it was an attempt by me to redirect/distract the town. That's not true at all; I have not been redirecting votes. What I have been trying to do was ask questions in order to gain more information about people's claims. For example, for the first quote, I noticed hyshes voted for syllogism in the voting thread without posting any reason in this thread, so I wanted him to clarify. Similarly, redFF posted this

We are not even discussing nolynch until much later on in the game. It is the worst thing we can do day 1 because it gives us no information and mafia free kills. end of discussion.

Palmar looks kinda scummy right now.

##Vote Palmar


and so I wanted to seek additional clarification about why he was voting for Palmar, which he duly gave. I hardly see how getting more information about people's votes = scum.

Again, the next few set of quotes were me trying to give my analysis on players. You stated that I was trying to redirect/distract people, but that's not what I was doing at all. I was actively trying to give my thoughts on players which other people were discussing to be scum.

On the contrary, Soap's post was much more of a redirection/distraction in the sense that he stated there was no useful information in 15+ pages of posts, and so decided to random lynch someone? At least, to me, that seemed completely weird. Though maybe I jumped on the wagon too fast. Perhaps I followed annul's vote too fast, but it appeared to me that Soap was clearly scummy, which I later retracted after being told about his past posts. And your claim that this was merely an excuse to retract my vote is quite baffling. In the wake of new information, one should appropriately change his vote.

As for the Palmar/V7 thing, again, I was just trying to clarify the situation. I also wanted to try and defend Palmar/V7 because I didn't think they were scum. I joined the vote against Hier because I felt that my most intended target, visceraleyes, would not have been able to get the 13 votes needed, and as some players pointed out earlier, lynching someone lurking>not lynching at all.

I hope that addressed your concerns about me being mafia.

Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 12:24 GMT
#1048
kingjames what do you think of my defense?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 14:34 GMT
#1072
Yeah everyone was getting really aggressive on v7 which probably contributed to his not so good shot on Soap
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 15:37 GMT
#1076
Actually palmar did you ever say why you thought drazerk is mafia? I'll like to hear your thoughts on why he is
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 07 2011 00:25 GMT
#1156
[QUOTE]On December 07 2011 09:18 hyshes wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 07 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 06 2011 23:08 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba any thoughts on Annul's and kingjames01's play so far?[/QUOTE]

Annul is playing very simillar to what he did day1 in the last game, which made me suspicious of him. However he did shape up day 2 and I was able to correctly identify him as town that game. I'll reserve judgement to tomorrow if I'm alive, if not it's up to you bastards to decide.
@Annul Can you please point me to a game where you lasted a bit as scum, I'm in a mood to read right now.

Both kingjames and risen put out a lot of effort yesterday when they already knew Hier flips was inevitable. Hier's alignment was at that point a blind guess so it's very suspicious behaviour indeed as no townie would know for sure the outcome of the lynch and any effort at that time was simply being converted into looking good and uselesly defending an innocent who was about to flip. They are both very suspicious and should be looked into with more detail.

QUOTE]On December 07 2011 02:01 hyshes wrote:

[QUOTE]On December 06 2011 07:07 sandroba wrote:
What the fuck, insta-delurk when called out. I think you got one there.[/QUOTE]

I consider sandroba the scumiest from atm. Lanaia did not insta-delurk there.. why would you say that?

[QUOTE]
This is falacy. Lanaia DID insta-delurk there, she posted 10 min after radfield posted an attack on her, while she was missing for 2 hours. Last game 2 players (greymist and matchew) did the same thing and I called them out for it and they ended up being mafia indeed. I stand by my opinion that lanaia is scum.
@Hyshes why would you blatantly lie to cast suspicion onto me?[/QUOTE]

LOL.. i wasn't lying. What did you think about coincidence? returning to the thread after 2h isn't that weird.. You are the one lying.
[/QUOTE]

Coincidence is named that for a reason; it happens rarely. It is a way more reasonable assumption to think somoene was lurking and responded to an attack rather than naming it as coincidence.

And VE weren't you the one who was adamant about getting on a Palmar wagon? Why the sudden attack on redFF for doing the same?
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