TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 2

On December 06 2011 11:01 Radfield wrote:



Have I really been all over the board? I'll admit I skim-read your case against me, but I just don't see how you can think what I've been doing so far has mafia motives? Unless your simply stating that my mafia motive is to blend in, but in that case I would be posting way way less. Go look at any game I have played as scum, and count how many posts I have in day 1. I bet I have at least double the posts so far than any scum game I have ever played. Scum = lurkish, with some directing, and a few cases + lotsa scum reads. Town = open, conversational, poking and prodding, commenting, keeping town discussion flowing, leading and consolidating lynches.

The game was Some Mafia Game, and as I recall the reason you trusted Palmar was due to the fact that you checked him N1 as Parity Cop, NOT due to his play. You even posted how it was just too unlikely that your first check would hit the godfather(or framed mafia in that case).

On December 06 2011 11:24 Radfield wrote:
The RNG things was not actually random. I thought that became kinda apparent. Drazerk called me out and I explained it there, though I admit I didn't go into detail. I have actually thought about posting several times to clear it up, but each time deleted my post because I didn't want to sidetrack. The gist is, I wanted to generate some chatter, see prp's reaction specifically, and town's reaction in general. I figured that mafia would most likely not jump on me, simply because it was over the top blatant, but that it was the kind of thing townies would bite on. It was done pretty much on a whim, it pretty much accomplished what I wanted, and I wish I hadn't done it because things like that always bite me in the ass (like requesting an RPG and BP vest in my first post in Merc Mini).

I can see where you're coming from on the planting seeds. Rest assured though I will be building proper cases on people.

I will make you a deal. If I am still alive after night 2, and you still think I am scum you can push me all you want. Until then give me some room to work and see what I can do(and I will do the same for you). Deal?

On December 06 2011 11:44 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm off to bed. 2 votes to hammer Hier down(counting Lanaia's voteswitch). I am pretty certain that it's the right choice at the moment, or at least the safest choice of a lynch, considering he hasn't posted anything but two posts and that suggests a high chance of zero posts on the following night and days.

Hopefully two people make up their minds on that case. Where is hyshes by the way?

On December 07 2011 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear prplhz,

Literally all I've seen from Palmar is defending himself. I'm building a case, but don't dismiss what I'm saying just because I'm being consistent. I admit my tunnel of him yesterday was bad, but I'm as aware of his ability as anyone else is and to be honest, I understand what people have been saying about keeping him alive to prove himself. But all I see is him attempting to justify his retarded lie (assuming it's a lie) yesterday and taken with his general trolling behavior yesterday I'm fully of the opinion that he's scum.

We'll see what happens between now and then.

As far as opinions on others, I'll have to get back with you, as most of my attention has been on Palmar. I've noticed a few strange things in relation to Palmar about some people that I intend to explore once I get my Palmar flip. Here's a snapshot though.

Radfield has done a fine job of keeping d1 relatively focused. It's only when he wasn't in direct contact with the thread that Palmar was able to destroy what he'd accomplished. I've got a strong town read on Radfield.

redFF has been weird too. D1 started out strong, then degraded into capslock abuse and one-liners, the pit he remains in now. I'm wondering if it has to do with the way suspicions were rolling at the time - confidence levels and whatnot. Wishywashy on Palmar bad. Scum read on redFF

I'm a little suspicious of Sandroba's defense of Palmar yesterday, primarily because he commented on the fact that no one was defending him - in the same post he was defending him. He was one of those of the opinion that Palmar should be 'kept alive to prove himself', but that's certainly not a scum-tell of any kind. His case on Lanaia was...not. I'm leaning scum on Sandroba.

On December 07 2011 05:58 hyshes wrote:
And again syllogism is making the town atmosphere worse. So someone just had a final exam and you pose, somewhat aggressive, why he didn't post? And of course you don't leave it with 1 question about a stupid topic. This creates really a bad town atmosphere and I'm marking your play now as anti-town. Your question do not help town in any way.

On December 08 2011 12:13 Radfield wrote:
I'm going to tell you right now that you are not alone Zephridd There are legions of townies who 'get a bad feeling' about me between the end of day one and end of day two when I am town. It honestly happens every single game to me. Someone should figure out why and tell me so I can fix it

You are on the Solid Town list for a very specific reason. I'm not going to go into it deeper than that.

All the other people missing from those three lists are pretty null. I either haven't relooked over them, they are very inactive, or I simply don't have a great read. I will also add that hyshes probably doesn't belong on my prob scum list, he is much more null at this point.

Also keep in mind that the Drazerk claim of a roleblock immune medic who has to claim night 1 is a joke. It's either a joke by Incog, or a joke by Drazerk. In LOTR Drazerk claimed medic during Day 2 for no apparent reason and actually managed to stay alive until the end of the game, and I think he even made a save.



If you see a problem with my list then let me hear it. Don't just snipe.

I hope you realize I am also one of strongest voices in the thread against a Palmar lynch? Problem is I don't like annul either, and I don't have a good fallback target since I'm leaning more and more town on you.

I will say this, I'm willing to lynch sandro if he doesn't start being more useful. He has almost zero contribution at this point, when he should be starting to pinpoint scum.

On December 09 2011 00:03 Palmar wrote:
Jackal58: Can you please help me beat sense into this town.

I'll gladly help you lynch Radfield later.

On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next?

On December 09 2011 00:07 Mattchew wrote:


lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this.

On December 09 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote:
Mattchew is actually arguing that this would be a terrible idea, so i think he simply wanted to gauge my reactions.

On December 09 2011 00:18 Toadesstern wrote:

I think he said he thinks palmar is scum and therefore annul has to be town.

I am still miracously on a town-read on palmar so I got to disagree here. I think he's just an overconfident guy who hates it when he's not in controle. He screwed day1 and lost controle of this game, he started playing more serious and did a lot of lurking. He's probably stubborn enoug to tell himself something along the lines "well I'm going to show them that they SHOULD trust me and will deliver a mafia" to get back in controle / be confirmed townie so that people are listening to what he says because that's what he wants. He wants to be in charge and lead the investigation. That's why I think he might be tunneling (because he thinks he needs to find a mafia right now) and I don't think his case on annul is better than my case on erandorr.
Might be wrong with my analysis of palmar though.

On December 09 2011 01:01 Radfield wrote:


Do you think Palmar is still scum annul? If not him then who? Who else do you think is scummy, who should be our lynch today?


@Palmar, that's a much better case, and one I can get behind.

Originally I felt his 'blueslip' catch made him seem townie in origin, not so sure now though.

The fact that he came into the thread and asked for a recap is generally not something mafia would do. However this is very much true:



His claim of being hit also struck me as genuine:





But looking at it again reminds me of how I felt taking a hit as third party in PYP1. In general when you take a hit, you DO NOT claim how(vet or medic) but simply just let the thread know you took a hit. However when you take a hit as mafia(saved by town) you immediately claim the medic save, RoL in Closed Casket did the exact same thing. Why? Because being saved by a town medic buys you townie credit. He also very quickly agreed to the idea that mafia did not hit him, but syllo did. Maybe that's because the evidence is decent, but if syllo was suspicious of me during the night and I took a hit I would not immediately accept that syllo must have shot me.

##Vote: Annul

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Yep, reads change. As I said, I'm warming up on prplhz, and as should have been obvious from my posting, I had conflicting thoughts on annul. That's why they were both question marks.

You completely disappeared, and have basically been inactive this entire game. Other than the slight pressure I've tossed your way, you have commented on almost nothing(which unfortunately your town meta can support). In addition you were basically absent for 1-2 days, that moves you back towards null. Obviously if you continue to not comment or push any scum reads then you will move back towards red. I get that you think I'm scum, now move on and do something productive.




Ask yourself this: If I am scum, is this the best scum game I have ever played? If I am town, is this about where I am most day 2's, maybe slightly more scattered? Which do you think more likely? This is not an argument, just a question. Not even one you have to answer right now.

On December 09 2011 01:29 Radfield wrote:
I'm mostly interested in who you think are scummy and why Jackal. Though I'm also interested in which part of Palmar's case on annul you like, and which parts you don't(which you alluded to).

But from my perspective I know none of your reads, because you are focused almost entirely on me.

On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote:
I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging.

On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba.

So why was he killed?

I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it.

It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways.

On December 09 2011 02:51 TruthBringer wrote:

The part that you bolded is me indicating that I would prefer to hang someone today rather than not hang. How is that scummy?

On December 09 2011 03:19 TruthBringer wrote:
That's an argument for me NOT being mafia if I don't care who it is . . . care to expound how that makes me mafia?

On December 09 2011 04:43 Erandorr wrote:
Oh shit. Someone is making sense!

By the way, I actually didn't sheep Palmar, I came to that conclusion on my own. It was just kinda funny ^.^

On December 09 2011 05:52 Drazerk wrote:


Just post it now doing what you are doing now is going to make everyone want to lynch you more causing an imminent death regardless

On December 09 2011 05:42 Toadesstern wrote:


I am just quoting myself because everyone is ignoring it.

Palmar answer this one: You think erandorr is a bad case based of what he does and based of what I said so far? It's AGAIN the same thing. He made that one post 13 pages ago that made everyone think "oh that poor little guy, he even thinks Toads case is good, can't be mafia". And he instantly went into lurkingmode again just to come out now to make a single post that got 2 posts of nothing. I will be sitting there post game telling you that I told you erandorr was a good case, I even told you what erandorr is going to to and he did it twice now. And he's ignoring it again. Yell yeah, that's the way a townie is playing this game, let's all withdraw our votes from erandorr...