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On December 12 2011 10:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Blazinghand is going to be pissed lol. Yes. I am very upset. I will be having some very, very choice words with BKEXE after this game, should I be scheduled to encounter him in another. There's nothing to be gained from be badmouthing BKEXE at this point, though. Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Also a wierd fact.
BKEXE/BByte/Adam4167/EB Were the people I considered the lurkers from the start of the game.
All of them have flipped and they were all vanilla townies.
It seems like lurkers tend to be bored townies more often than scum trying to avoid detection. So it seems. If the doctor could bail me out again tonight that would be great . Maybe he's busy, though, so I'm going to crank out some analysis. Assuming our doctor is shitty, after tonight, we'll be at 5 townies 2 mafia. If we still have both blues we should be looking reasonably solid, but we need a good lynch tomorrow. If the doctor is shitty/dead, we'll drop down to 3 townies, 2 mafia, and then we need hella solid lynching. Let's get it right tomorrow, guys.
Why is it you think you are the one the doctor (if there is one) should save? It's great to have an ego, but in the end you are just another player in the game, and there is no reason for a doc to prioritize you over anyone else. Hell, you might even be scum trying to get the doc to waste all his saves on you...
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On December 14 2011 06:21 Velinath wrote:
I'm also going to ask at this point that other people start posting. We are almost halfway through Day 4 and so far it's been largely dominated by layabout (earlier), xtfftc, and myself. Where is everyone?
I'll speak for myself here. I think the entire thread have taken a bad turn after layabout came into play. All he have done is make shitty cases and OMGUS'ing anyone arguing with him. I think he himself is playing an utterly crappy game (if he is town), he is purposly misinterpreting what other writes, twisting and turning every word that is written and his dickish behaviour wants me to straight up punch him in the face. He acts like he is so fucking great at this game, and keep referencing other games and how this game should be played. At the moment I get pissed off just by opening the thread and reading anything he writes, and therefor I find it hard to contribute anything usefull.
I'll give him this though, if he is scum he is doing a good job, creating a crappy townenvironment and distracting the town with his shit.
I know this is an increadible OMGUS post, and I know it will probably make me look bad, but I don't care, I can't coexist with layabout anyways. So please feel free to jump on me, cause atm I am the third best lynch town can make (green townie who is having a hard time contributing).
I will give layabout the benefit of the doubt, I think he is scum and not a crappy asshole of a town...
##Vote: layabout
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On December 14 2011 07:42 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:31 Tunkeg wrote:On December 14 2011 06:21 Velinath wrote:
I'm also going to ask at this point that other people start posting. We are almost halfway through Day 4 and so far it's been largely dominated by layabout (earlier), xtfftc, and myself. Where is everyone? I'll speak for myself here. I think the entire thread have taken a bad turn after layabout came into play. All he have done is make shitty cases and OMGUS'ing anyone arguing with him. I think he himself is playing an utterly crappy game (if he is town), he is purposly misinterpreting what other writes, twisting and turning every word that is written and his dickish behaviour wants me to straight up punch him in the face. He acts like he is so fucking great at this game, and keep referencing other games and how this game should be played. At the moment I get pissed off just by opening the thread and reading anything he writes, and therefor I find it hard to contribute anything usefull. I'll give him this though, if he is scum he is doing a good job, creating a crappy townenvironment and distracting the town with his shit. I know this is an increadible OMGUS post, and I know it will probably make me look bad, but I don't care, I can't coexist with layabout anyways. So please feel free to jump on me, cause atm I am the third best lynch town can make (green townie who is having a hard time contributing). I will give layabout the benefit of the doubt, I think he is scum and not a crappy asshole of a town... ##Vote: layaboutyour case is just so good! (/sarcasm) you have really proved through analysis that all of my behaviour suggests that i am mafia (/more sarcasm) your also insulting... which is of course the best way to present a legitimate argument (/immature and slightly hypocritical rebuttal) please come up with something to support your vote pssst i referenced ver because i felt it was relevant and that his analysis really puts the behaviours i have drawn attention to into context, reading through and understanding the guides/analysis on tl that can help new players to improve.
On December 14 2011 07:44 layabout wrote:
EBWOP below vote layabout are my comments
My case against you is not great. But it is the only way for me to proceed in this game. I can't play this game with you in it. To be frank I don't care wheather you are mafia or town at this point, I can't play this game with you in it. So basicly town needs to get rid of one of us. If we are both town, well then we fucked this game up together.
And yeah I am insulting, cause I am an asshole to other assholes. It is ok to apply pressure, and it is ok to be playing an aggressive game, going total asshole is not ok IMO.
The only support I am going to provide for my vote is that I want you out of the game, scum or no scum. Of course if someone have a great case on someone, or if a uncontradicted blue comes up with a scum to lynch I will vote for them. I will not sabotage town.
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The scum is owning this game. Just look at the voting situation atm. Statements like BH is town - We all agree, I think, just might be the reason for that. Why oh why do you guys consider him more of a town then anyone else at the moment? He have been very vocal about everyone beeing lynched, in fact I'd say he have been the frontrunner in all lycnhes (even the last one where he voted late), also jay, but this might just be a perfect bus (oh, man, what a great play that would have been with the town beeing as it is). He have begged for doc two nights in a row. And he is jumping on every case where someone is not playing by the book (the easy lynches).
Do I say he is scum, no, becasue I got no fucking clue anymore. But you guys need to start threat him like everyone else, and not some superconfrimed townie.
People are treating this game (full of noobies) the same way as they would a expert game. And that is why scum is crushing!
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On December 15 2011 19:52 layabout wrote:
what specifically was good about town's play?
did i ruin the atmosphere when i joined the game?
will you forgive me tunkeg? <3
Ofcourse, what happends in the game stays in the game. I went over the top on you, and I am sorry about that, but you really pissed me off.
For my own play it was just baaah. After a ok day 1, where I had made this awesome spreadsheet where I was going to track the game, it just went down hill (finishing it off with a total blowout). Catching up to US postings after 16 hours away from the post everyday made me read the thread sloppy. I didn't use my coach at all almost, him beeing in different timezone and also me having little time to get good reads on the game.
Just as BByte I won't be joining another game soon, playing it without putting enough time into it is just to hard.
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On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. 
Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely  . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game...
Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended 
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On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?"
It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be
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On December 17 2011 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 02:44 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?" It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be Well, you know, if I WERE scum, I could have easily forced a mislynch day 4, and uh... yeah. Things would have been bad. That being said, I probably would have been less adamant about the JB Lynch on day 2 wifom wifom wifom wifom etc. I actually was not suspicious of Layabout, just because he was really putting himself out there-- I mean, I didn't think "oh he must be town" but he was putting some serious effort into his arguments, and given that he was coming in from being a replacement of a replacement, if he was scum he could be fairly cautious and respond to any criticism with "hey man I dunno why my predecessors did that either" or something. I thought his play was fairly pro-town.
Yeah, some of my reasoning was that you could have made an awesome bussing of JB. I kind of listed up this incredible scenario where both of you were scum
For layabout I guess the only one who had him anywhere near scum was me. And the only reason for that was that I was pissed off at him. So yeah, I guess vaderseven either facepalmed hard or laughed his ass off after that pm (me guessing the first )
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On December 17 2011 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 03:03 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:44 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?" It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be Well, you know, if I WERE scum, I could have easily forced a mislynch day 4, and uh... yeah. Things would have been bad. That being said, I probably would have been less adamant about the JB Lynch on day 2 wifom wifom wifom wifom etc. I actually was not suspicious of Layabout, just because he was really putting himself out there-- I mean, I didn't think "oh he must be town" but he was putting some serious effort into his arguments, and given that he was coming in from being a replacement of a replacement, if he was scum he could be fairly cautious and respond to any criticism with "hey man I dunno why my predecessors did that either" or something. I thought his play was fairly pro-town. Yeah, some of my reasoning was that you could have made an awesome bussing of JB. I kind of listed up this incredible scenario where both of you were scum For layabout I guess the only one who had him anywhere near scum was me. And the only reason for that was that I was pissed off at him. So yeah, I guess vaderseven either facepalmed hard or laughed his ass off after that pm (me guessing the first ) If your theory about a player necessarily includes "awesome bussing" (particularly in a newbie game) you're probably thinking too hard and incorrectly. From a scum perspective it hurts a lot more to lose a single player than town. Scum don't need to bus in order to win, and in fact they usually rarely do it. I for one hate bussing; I only do it when absolutely necessary. This would only be true for me if my teammate was caught and there was no foreseeable way of saving him without taking massive suspicion. At that point you bus. If you can find reasonable evidence for such a situation, you might have a theory. Nothing like that existed in this game, IIRC, so you go with the simplest explanation; BH and Jay could not both be scum.
I agree. I think I approached the game wrong, and missed the real reads while making some bad cases based to much on speculations and what-ifs.
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On December 17 2011 07:05 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 17 2011 03:03 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:44 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?" It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be Well, you know, if I WERE scum, I could have easily forced a mislynch day 4, and uh... yeah. Things would have been bad. That being said, I probably would have been less adamant about the JB Lynch on day 2 wifom wifom wifom wifom etc. I actually was not suspicious of Layabout, just because he was really putting himself out there-- I mean, I didn't think "oh he must be town" but he was putting some serious effort into his arguments, and given that he was coming in from being a replacement of a replacement, if he was scum he could be fairly cautious and respond to any criticism with "hey man I dunno why my predecessors did that either" or something. I thought his play was fairly pro-town. Yeah, some of my reasoning was that you could have made an awesome bussing of JB. I kind of listed up this incredible scenario where both of you were scum For layabout I guess the only one who had him anywhere near scum was me. And the only reason for that was that I was pissed off at him. So yeah, I guess vaderseven either facepalmed hard or laughed his ass off after that pm (me guessing the first ) If your theory about a player necessarily includes "awesome bussing" (particularly in a newbie game) you're probably thinking too hard and incorrectly. From a scum perspective it hurts a lot more to lose a single player than town. Scum don't need to bus in order to win, and in fact they usually rarely do it. I for one hate bussing; I only do it when absolutely necessary. This would only be true for me if my teammate was caught and there was no foreseeable way of saving him without taking massive suspicion. At that point you bus. If you can find reasonable evidence for such a situation, you might have a theory. Nothing like that existed in this game, IIRC, so you go with the simplest explanation; BH and Jay could not both be scum. I agree. I think I approached the game wrong, and missed the real reads while making some bad cases based to much on speculations and what-ifs.
But wouldn't you bussing as number one be a great meta move in a game where the other players know you? Ofcourse depending on set up and the current state of the game. Or is it in your opinion allways more valuable to have the extra scum player?
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