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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 14 2011 18:51 GMT
#1170
On December 15 2011 03:41 xtfftc wrote:
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On December 14 2011 06:52 ey215 wrote:
On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise.

##Unvote: xsksc

##Vote: BByte



I'm frankly not sure what has been brought up/not brought up re:xtfftc at this point but I do have a question about this vote. Wouldn't a last minute surprise be a good thing for the town in many cases? A last minute switch screams mafia.

Just wondering on your logic.

It depends. On Day 2 we had just one case and very limited discussion, so a switch that leads to a townie lynch would have been blatantly obvious. On Day 1 we had a few cases, so a switch could have been masked much better.

As for bigger games, last minute switches almost always benefit mafia because there's more people voting and it's hard to distinguish between the lurking mafia and newbie townies.

so did day 1 or day 2 have better cases?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 14 2011 19:59 GMT
#1183
On December 15 2011 04:19 xtfftc wrote:
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On December 15 2011 03:51 layabout wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:41 xtfftc wrote:
On December 14 2011 06:52 ey215 wrote:
On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise.

##Unvote: xsksc

##Vote: BByte



I'm frankly not sure what has been brought up/not brought up re:xtfftc at this point but I do have a question about this vote. Wouldn't a last minute surprise be a good thing for the town in many cases? A last minute switch screams mafia.

Just wondering on your logic.

It depends. On Day 2 we had just one case and very limited discussion, so a switch that leads to a townie lynch would have been blatantly obvious. On Day 1 we had a few cases, so a switch could have been masked much better.

As for bigger games, last minute switches almost always benefit mafia because there's more people voting and it's hard to distinguish between the lurking mafia and newbie townies.

so did day 1 or day 2 have better cases?

Day 2 had better cases but Day 1 had better discussion.

Who is your third mafia read in case I'm red?

And if I flip green, who would be the second one?


scum team:
jay
xtfftc
tunkeg/bluelightz - they are about even, i feel that what their behaviour indicates can vary grealy based upon different veiwpoints and subsequent interpretations and i am not comfortable voting for either at this time. blue is probably scummier of the two.

oh, and by answering a question that was of basically no-consequence you have shown that you are perfectly able to answer a question straight up but that you have previously chosen not to. (why is very scummy)

On December 15 2011 04:31 xtfftc wrote:
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On December 15 2011 04:22 Velinath wrote:
That's cheap, really cheap. In this post you replied to my explanation as to how "more likely" does not equal "best read" with the words "i see in your quotes: "three scummiest" "more likely to be scum" "his team (...) more likely"this implies that you sure as hell think he's scum." You did not bother to disagree with what layabout said and you've been supporting him all day long, so excuse me for not remembering that you never used these exact words.

And once again, this is a double standard: layabout twisting my words into "best read" and refusing to admit he had no right to is perfectly acceptable but me losing track of all your accusations deserves a response such as "cute, but come on, try harder than that".

Because I definitely also twisted your words into "best read". That makes sense. Okay. So I'm supposed to feel ashamed because you're accusing me of saying something I didn't? You're breaking my brain now.

I also never addressed the issue with what layabout said. I never took into account the words "best read". Stop insinuating that I did. If you're going to whine about getting your words twisted by someone else, don't twist mine.

You never did, this was the point of my criticism when I wrote "you did not bother to disagree with what layabout said".

-why are you trying to make such a big deal out of "velinath not disagreeing with one comment that layabout made"
don't you see that that really isn't important but that you are focusing attention on it and trying to create discussion about a peripheral issue?
Some more urgent things that you should think on and post about:
-What is scummy behaviour and how am i(in this case you) scumhunting?
-Why are you focusing on this "best read" issue when there are 2 votes for tunkeg and 2 votes for bluelightz 2 votes on you and two votes on me?
-Why aren't you concerned that there aren't comprehensive cases on tunkeg, bluelightz and myself?
-Why do you think it is okay to OMGUS me?
could you please address this post??
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 14 2011 20:06 GMT
#1184
On December 15 2011 04:41 xtfftc wrote:
I'm almost done for tonight. All I'd like to say before I go offline is that the vote tonight is the most important part of the whole game, so you should make your decisions carefully.

stay the crap here and explain yourself
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 14 2011 21:33 GMT
#1187
the players on the weakest case need to move.
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btw that is the case on me, i see no real credible analysis against me

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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 14 2011 23:56 GMT
#1192
and after a flurry of posting at towards the deadline town arrived at a mutual and conclusive decision...
so is this it then?
i have to go sleep now , its a shame there isn't anything more to respond to
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 15 2011 10:04 GMT
#1249
YEAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gg
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 15 2011 10:43 GMT
#1254
On December 15 2011 19:20 Palmar wrote:
To those who didn't already know, I was playing in this game as the smurf "ElectricBlack". This was of course done with the approval of the hosts:

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Original Message From Palmar:
Yes, of course.

ElectricBlack will by my smurf.

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Original Message From Zona:
I think it's something worth trying, and I'm glad you're looking for ways to help others raise their level of play. I've asked Forumite if he has any objections, and he tells me he doesn't, I"ll give you the go ahead.

However, I will expect you to adopt a polite tone of voice, and dramatically reduce your level of aggression. Otherwise, the entire exercise could prove counterproductive.

Original Message From Palmar:
Hi, I would like to play in your student mafia game, using a smurf.

The reason for this is I want to help elevate the level of gameplay in the newbie game as fast as I possibly can, and much more than coaching, directly involving myself in the game and leading by example will be quite important.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Being_a_good_IC

The idea of the role I would play is similar to this one, and I would obviously request to be put on the town side. If everything goes well I'd expect to be shot night 1, leaving town with at least an idea on how to approach the game.

Let me know what you think about this.


I would like to know how the new players in this game felt about the presence of a veteran in the game.

I used this article: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Being_a_good_IC as a guideline on how to handle my play this game, I tried to be less aggressive than I usually am, without cutting off that edge that makes me successful as mafia. Unfortunately the game started on a night I was out with the wife for several hours so I only got plenty of posting in later in the day.

The reason for using a smurf was because I did not want the game to become about me. With all the coaches knowing me and my play, I feel an unreasonable amount of weight would've been put into my posting. I tried to call out incorrect play wherever I could, and lead by example with the case on HassyBaby.

I don't think I did a magnificent job, but I think I did alright.

I would very much like feedback from the players of this game, both town and scum, on how and if we should continue introducing veteran players in newbie games to help create a more useful town atmosphere.

For what it's worth, the townies of this game should really be commended for creating the most awesome scumhunting atmosphere I have ever seen in a TL mafia game. Seriously, this town was better at looking town than almost any other town I've played with. Mad props to you all.

Some of you may have noticed I did finger all three mafia on day 1:


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On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this.


And I think you're the last scum

That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy.

Game solved. Next one?



This is not because I'm some kinda awesome scumhunter, or because they all fucked up. What really happened this game is that the town played such a transparent, useful and good game, that simply through process of elimination I could find all the mafia. Veteran towns can learn a lot from you guys, I am thoroughly impressed with your play.

When all townies look town, it's much, much easier to pick the mafia out from the rest.




Can you guys please answer these questions:

Did you like having a veteran in the newbie game?

Would you prefer the veteran did not smurf?

Would you prefer giving both factions a veteran?




The bottom line from this game is that you guys, as complete newbies, managed to create the most healthy town discussion I have ever seen on day one. I can't overstate how impressed I am with it. Good Job.

i like it, i think that we are aware of it then it could add another dimension to gameplay, because you would be aware that at least one player in the game has a lot of experience/is likely playing very well you may or may not try to figure out who it is but identifying players who are playing well and players who aren't is something that i at least need to work at.

I think that knowing who the veteran was would drastically change behaviour, while the player is alive their will be an expectation for them to lead and almost win for town, this could only have negative consequences as people could become lazy, they may become reliant on the work of others and it would be very hard to push a case when a veteran is pushing another player.

In order for both factions to have a veteran (who i am assuming would be smurfs) 1 town vet and 1 mafia vet would likely favour mafia, although a host may wish for this to be part of the game balance (which would have risks associated with it), the other option would then be to give town mutiple vets, if they are smurfs there would then be a strong chence of them surving later into the game. I am not sure how large the skill gap between "vet" and "newbie" is but i am fairly sure that a vet would have quite good reads even a few in-game days in and that it is unlikely that they would not push some of them.
basically for vets on both factions it would require a larger game and having mutiple vets could completely defeat the newbie game's goal.

Alternately you could have a vet smurf in the first few days that could and then they could be modkilled, so that newbies have to rely on themselves when it comes down to lategame
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 15 2011 10:52 GMT
#1255
what specifically was good about town's play?
did i ruin the atmosphere when i joined the game?
will you forgive me tunkeg? <3
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
December 15 2011 11:27 GMT
#1258
Big thanks to syllogism!

what are peoples thoughts about the day1 "list of all of my reads of everybody"-syndrome?
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