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OK guys im reading up on the thread now I have to say the main big problem i find thats going on in this town. Not even in related to the mafia is this.
Everyone is getting so heating we have had people get angry and make posts that dont contribute at all to discussion. You can see it so many times in the thread.
First it was the ey and BH arguments where for the most part it was fun but then snide comments where made about one person and a bit of a angry retort back.
Then it was EB who got angry at BH for trying to force him to vote saying him not voting was to spite him. This doesnt help anyone and paints EB in a bad light regardless if hes mafia or not.
And after that xsksc made a call saying he wanted to lynch some people he thought were being retarded.
I even think i might have missed another case of this happening.
Granted everyone came back and admitted that they went over board.
But guys getting angry and letting your emotions guide your responses isn't going to help us. We have to rely on our logic alone and analyze. If your angry or annoyed or pissed just take a second and reread what your typing, and see if your helping the town or hurting it.
Thats what i got to say atm. Ill post some more comments on what else happened in the thread in a bit.
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Okay, I'll go with your judgement on this one. He seems like a decent lynch I guess, I'd prefer Tunkeg but that doesn't look like it's happening today.
##vote: BByte
Going to sleep now, will be back and active early tomorow morning.
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I think we have two good targets: xsk and Adam (and possibly Jay) but at least there's just one lurker in the game, so lynching Bbyte is somewhat okay.
I've been very vocal about my views on policy lynches and starting another discussion on LAL won't do town any good, so I won't repeat myself. But I really think that it gives mafia an easy ride. Look at how happy xsk was to jump on it - and he's going to be asleep until the deadline, so he won't be changing his vote for a proper lynch.
Obviously, I'm a minority on policies, so you can do it - but I have no reasons to consider Bbyte mafia and lynching mafia is my priority.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
It's fine to vote for a different target than me. I'd rather make a scum lynch than a policy lynch, and I think most people would. Although I'm not convinced, try to convince others and see if we can't get some good discussion going in these final hours.
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Okay, I'll get some dinner and then update my views on xsk and Adam before going to bed.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
5 hours, 30 minutes remaining. I'm grabbing lunch.
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Ok so adam posted me as scummy. At least finally we get his reads.
I dont mind if you think im scummy. Just make a real case for it.
You too BH if you wanna call me scummy awesome i just want to see some real case not a off hand remark about. How you think i might be scummy. And second off you called me scummy as well as adam and BKEXE i want cases ffs you say you wanna lynch Bbyte for what lurking if you have a scummy case on me plz lets hear it.
Also you say you think that the scum reads from you are for Me adam and BKEXE. Honestly how does that even make sense. I know i defended BKEXE. I honestly dont see him as scum. But i was really hoping he would post more. He posted on adam. Which is great but he just isn't a huge contributing factor this game. Maybe i was wrong about BKEXE but tell me why.
And also If adam is scum why would he push his two "scum buddies" which in your opinion is Me and BKEXE. It does make any sense. If i was scum why the hell would i push adam and then for him to OMGUS me back. It doesn't add up.
Honestly adam i was hoping to see some analyze not a simple OMGUS. I have tried to be active in this game posting my reads. And what i have to say about. Right now i dont agree with the Bytes lynch i think it will end up being a policy lynch and not scum lynch.
I think him voting Veli is him trying to contribute. I think its misguided but i dont think its the right vote we should be making.
Grack i want your opinion.
BKEXE wont be hear till lynch which does not make me happy. I do not like the Bbyte lynch. I do feel like xsksc would be a possiblity. Im going to reread a bit. So right now i think i might go for Xsksc or adam im gonna reread for a bit and decide
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And xtfffc i just saw our post.
If you wanna call me me scummy come out and say it im done with people soft claiming someones scum with out a real reason behind it. I honestly think that bullshit like that is not going to help the town.
If people want to lynch me then great go for it but if i want some damn good cases against me. And if i die i want it to be obvious who the scum were that were pushing my lynch.
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On December 06 2011 04:26 xtfftc wrote:
Okay, I'll get some dinner and then update my views on xsk and Adam before going to bed.
I think you're scum too.
What do you think about that?
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EB what do you think about the current cases againt xsksc and bbyte and adam
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adam's probably not scum.
xsksc I'm on the fence about, and I haven't read bbyte well enough through to make the call.
Why are you ignoring my case against Hassybaby?
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I'm willing to vote for BByte because he has not contributed to the game so far and his lynch target was stupid.
HassyBaby could still be a good lynch for today.
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On December 06 2011 05:12 ElectricBlack wrote:
adam's probably not scum.
xsksc I'm on the fence about, and I haven't read bbyte well enough through to make the call.
Why are you ignoring my case against Hassybaby?
You guys should definitely take the time to read EB's case on Hassy if you haven't done so, its a really well written argument and to me makes a lot of sense.
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Well to be honest i dont see us lynching Hassybaby today.
Even if i voted for him it would not happen. I dont really have much of a read on him. Ill go read his filter again but so far i noticed he hasnt post much at all and that he seems to be lacking in content.
Im going to post my case in a bit. Sorry its taking a while
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Ok so i am going to vote for adam.
On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:
If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear
You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).
This is the first post he made that caught my attention. He claims the mantle of of a bored townie. You prove your a townie by posting content and and contributing your reads and discussion which as far you hadn't.
I think that he was obviously lurking for a while. He made a post against BH and then later apologized for it after he came under alot of scrutiny. He stated that he would of had the same reaction if he had been somber but at the same times says it was a misguided attempt.
He makes a case against BKEXE who i think is a every easy lynch target.
What do Adam do when he comes out from lurking. Well he points his finger at another lurker.
Then adam moves on to me.
On December 05 2011 15:31 Adam4167 wrote:Jaybrundage Jay’s reads on me seem weak and effortless. He labels me as scum for ‘lurking’ and says I come off as happy to fly under the radar and just posting to keep up ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12590767). While, I’ll give him the lurking thing (lurking and inactivity look awfully similar), I don’t think id describe my play as flying under the radar. I misguidedly attacked everyone’s most confirmed townie and have launched myself right into the spotlight by doing so. This is not apathetic behaviour. These reads feel fabricated because I made myself an easy target due to my inactivity and less than stellar response to BH’s aggression. Jay even states here ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12583286) that lynching lurkers is not a good policy, yet has focused a majority of his attention on me… for lurking ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12592678) and I have even earned his vote for doing so. This is very inconsistent logic. Jay also posts for the sake of posting, even weaving idle bullshit in like mentioning xsksc’s spacing? What is the relevance of that to the game? The rest of his posts seem equally as half-hearted and filler. The TLDR version amounts to: I have scum reads on both Jaybrundage and BloodKingEXEI am willing to give ElectricBlack the benefit of the doubt until his next post. Everyone else Ill consider "town"/null as I am not trusting enough to ever consider anyone 100% town. As such, ##Vote: Jaybrundage
Adam does have a point tho i had posted no real case on him just my general reads.
While i did call him scummy because he was not only lurking but also in a suspicious way. If no one calls out the lurkers then they can just stay hidden.
Thats why BH put his vote on you and many other people. You finally put out some reads. But it was a OMGUS even then and a easy lynch target to boot.
You even mention me talking about xsksc spacing. What the fuck how is that even relevant to me being a mafia or not.
And then adam defends xsksc who seems like he might all so be potential mafia. I still will stand by my read of tunkeg i think he is only trying to get some solid posts out of people and i think he might have a lead on something but as it stands so far
Im still going to be voting for adam
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reconsider that, he's the worst candidate.
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I really hopes Bbyte can come in here and defend himself.
I know hes been semi lurking but he hasn't even got to see this recent move against him.
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EB you called xtfffc on being scummy why do you say that and if your on the fence about xsksc what do you think about tunkeg
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So, I want to lynch xsk for reprimading Blazinghand when Blazinghand was pushing the town forward; for switching from calling out Blazinghand on being too aggressive to being really aggressive himself with no proper reason (and without pushing the town agenda forward); for "pressuring" people but making sure they know that he is happy to unvote them; for jumping on the Bbyte lynch (the easy lynch at the time) after he saw that no one is happy with going after one of the players who looks a lot like town, Tunkeg. I didn't like how he defended himself yesterday (claiming that it's unfair to accuse him of not chasing mafia because he's been doing analysis... just not sharing it with us) but what followed was even worse: tunneling on EB, trying to discredit Tunkeg, and then going after the lurker. Where are his other reads?
I'll post on Adam in a bit.
Also, I think that if you consider one of the lynch candidates to be mafia, you should go for him. If you think that we are unlikely to catch some mafia tonight, by all means do vote for Bbyte the lurker.
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