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Back from work guys. Have read up on the thread now.
First I would like to say, we can not lynch a easy target lurker today, unless you feel you have absolutely no read on anyone.
While I was away xsksc have done quite abit of posting. And that is great, cause his postings have made me more certain he is scum. And thats not only because he labels me suspicious, but thats part of it. Here is my analyze of xsksc and why he should get lynched today.
Schizo
From beeing mr helpful and mr smileyface yesterday::
+ Show Spoiler +On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:For those of you playing your first game, hi!  There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. On December 04 2011 12:26 xsksc wrote:Well, with something like a counter-claim, we have to decide who's telling the truth and who's not, breadcrumbs are useful for this later in the game. If we happen to get it wrong and kill the blue, we get a guarenteed scum lynch the next day, so it's not the end of the world Don't get the wrong idea here blues, we do NOT want you to claim now cause you'll just get shot, it's just a hypothetical situation. On December 04 2011 13:13 xsksc wrote:Ok I'm going to clarify for those unsure. Changing your past opinnion about someone or being wrong about something is not gonna get you lynched for lying. A misunderstanding is not a lie. Telling us you got roleblocked or medic saved etc when nobody visited you that night, that's a lie. Making a fake dt claim to try and lynch someone you think is scum, that's a lie. It's ok to be wrong, just don't straight up lie
He have become mr aggressive and fuck-you guy today:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 18:57 xsksc wrote:
No, you're not supposed to read it like that. I said what you did was really anti-town, and it was dumb whatever your alignment is. If you're town, don't ever do something out of spite, it's stupid. If you're mafia, it's dumb too for obvious reasons.
If you are a townie, the responsibility is on YOU to not do dumb shit like that. It's your job to not get lynched.
I'm not pressuring you because you're an easy lynch, if you read my filter I've been transparent all game, I don't want town doing dumb stuff. If you're under pressure from someone, don't make an FU post and leave, it really doesn't make you look good. On December 05 2011 19:20 xsksc wrote:
It looks like you really don't understand how voting works in mafia. I can unvote you AT ANY TIME. My vote on you is not final. It's called pressure, and it's working. Pressure voting is very common in mafia games, it makes people uncomfortable and it gets responses out of people. Am I voting you because I have a 100% sure reason to believe you're mafia? Lol, of course not, I don't need to give you a list of evidence as to why you're scum, that's ridiculous. It's a pressure vote, nothing more nothing less, and it certainly seems to be working.
I've said this 3 fucking times now, maybe you'll finally get the message. DOING SOMETHING OUT OF SPITE IS ANTI-TOWN. That's why you got my vote. Anti-town = bad.
The way you are over-reacting to the pressure is interesting though, and it's something I'll definitely take note of. On December 05 2011 19:41 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually reading what I'm saying? Fuck me man, seriously. On December 05 2011 20:08 xsksc wrote:
I've told you. I've told you four fucking times and I'm starting to lose my patience here.
"Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you."
This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment.
I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond.
Anti-town = / = Scum
This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself.
Why is that? Did someone call him out yesterday, and now he need to change his playstyle?
Well, this is scummy to me, going from nice guy to ass over the night is strange.
Easy kills
He made his general analysis in the post shown in spoiler below. Where he have greened out the "safe bets" Velinath and Blazinghand, who have been doing alot of posting, but who neither one have put him under the spotlight. He proceeds to red out all the easy targets like Adam4167 (got alot of votes on him at the time), BroodKingEXE (maybe scum he writes, a player who easily could get lynched for beeing a lurker) and ElectrickBlack. All these lynches are easy lynches for scum! No one will suspect any scums for beeing responsible for these lynches if they turn up green. Am I saying that all of them are green, NO, I know to little about them. But what I do know is that scum will benifit from a misslynch on one of those (at least at the time of xsksc's post, he changed his view on ElectricBlack, which I will discuss further down).
+ Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote:This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167Possible lynchLooks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByteUnsureHe has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:
My strongest scum read so far is Velinath.
He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.
Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best
How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal.
#Vote Velinath Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. BlazinghandLeaning townBlazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXETown lurker/Maybe ScumA lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlackScumThis guy would be a GREAT lynch. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:
Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you.
I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215Town?First post of his to take note of is this : Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Posting in between games of LoL.
So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.
Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.
I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.
You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.
I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftcNeutralThese guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. TunkegSuspiciousThis guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! 4 posts later.... Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town  ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. Bbyte Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him.
Trust and lynch
At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet.
For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning townIt's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure.
[b]Discredit
In his post shown above he also discredits me, and label me as suspicious. But he won't act on it, he is setting me up for a later lynch, or maybe just portray me as a fool. Why oh why? Besides xtfftc I have been the only one really getting on his case. For the town to disregard me is a good thing for him as a scum. He says my scumlist is what is suspicious. Again, the scumlist came after I was asked a question on where I put the allegiance of the different players. Yes, I did use colours, and maybe some will say I used to much colours based on the current reads, but it got the red ones talking.
Other than that what I consider the most suspicious about my play is that I have been abit all over the place. Poking alot, maybe not beeing good enough with the follow-up. But that I think is a sound strategy in the beginning of day one. Now, as we close in on the first lynch I will scope it down.
Applying pressure, but on the wrong terms
xsksc have been applying pressure on ElectricBlack because EB said he would not put down his vote on spite. He goes over the top on something as unimportant as that, trying to pin ElectricBlack as a poor townie for it, feeding into his easy target redlist before. He eventually backs down when he see it won't take him anywhere.
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Now that I have posted my view on xsksc I would again urge not to do the easy lynch today. Go for the lynch that will give us information. If your vote is between a lurker that is leaning town and someone who have posted a fair bit, don't go for the lurker, it will not give any information.
A lynch on xsksc would give alot of information regardless of his alignment. I will even encourage you to vote on me if you think I am leaning scum, because then you get to see my colour, and you can act on that on day 2. Also if you think I am leaning scum, I might be doing a worse job than I think I am, and the town my be better off without me. That beeing said, I am town (yeah, you can't know) and I do want to live longer (even though I might get killed off by scum if they can't frame me).
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On December 06 2011 00:30 xsksc wrote:
Lol. I said you were suspicious because your read on me changed drastically when I said nothing between your posts. I'm not setting you up for a lynch, it's just suspicious.
You have to do better than that to lose my vote. And you have to find a better candidate for lynch (be it me or anyone) or else I am sticking with you. My read never changed drastically. I said it in my first post that you IMO had not made any usefull posts, just helpfull, giving you a powerfull role. I then was asked to post my views on town, I decided to do it with the three I considered most likely scum at the moment coloured. And then I wrote on your case "It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities." I say that is pretty much the same, even if I prematurely labeled you scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 23:21 xtfftc wrote:
Tunkeg, I approve of the way you're pressuring but would you mind answering the questions you've been so happy to ask the others? Not just a summary of the thread activity but how this makes people more or less likely to be mafia. Who do you trust and who would you lynch? Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynchAt this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO.
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On December 06 2011 00:41 xsksc wrote:
Oh and your analogy of me going from mr smiley face to mr fuck you guy made me laugh. Thanks! Yesterday there was nothing to argue, so we discussed policy. Today has been a lot more controversial, and I defended my stance on pressuring someone who made an anti-town move, sure I lost my temper a little, but if you read it in context the guy wasn't even listening to me.
The main points of your case on me seem to be... me going after easy kills and not being a super nice guy today? Right... I've placed one vote all game, and that was on the guy with 2 votes on him. I didn't discredit you, I just pointed out a MASSIVE inconsistancy in your reads, something that has been echoed by others too. I appreciate the effort you're putting in, it's good. It's just a bad case.
Could you please explain how I went from "town educator" to scum, on your read list, without me actually posting anything in between? Major inconsistancy and you need to back it up.
My point is, that changed ones attitude drastically is scummy. Why? Well, in your case we called you out for beeing to lovable and "to-little-contenty", if you were town and had decided that was the best way to play then you should stick to it. As a scum it might be better to changing it to a more aggressive style to get the pressure off (if no one notice the sudden change).
Well, you put your vote on a guy allready beeing pushed superhard for beeing inactive and then proceed to pummel on another pressured target for a no-good reason. To me that is most definatly scummy. Picking easy target, going with the flow, while seemingly beeing pro-town (check, check and check).
You called me out on my list, which is fair, cause it was premature, and you yourself were on it. But, going from that to labeling me suspicious, well, to me I see that as a start for you to frame me.
The last part is answered in my previous post:
On December 06 2011 00:44 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:30 xsksc wrote:
Lol. I said you were suspicious because your read on me changed drastically when I said nothing between your posts. I'm not setting you up for a lynch, it's just suspicious. You have to do better than that to lose my vote. And you have to find a better candidate for lynch (be it me or anyone) or else I am sticking with you. My read never changed drastically. I said it in my first post that you IMO had not made any usefull posts, just helpfull, giving you a powerfull role. I then was asked to post my views on town, I decided to do it with the three I considered most likely scum at the moment coloured. And then I wrote on your case "It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities." I say that is pretty much the same, even if I prematurely labeled you scum. + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 23:21 xtfftc wrote:
Tunkeg, I approve of the way you're pressuring but would you mind answering the questions you've been so happy to ask the others? Not just a summary of the thread activity but how this makes people more or less likely to be mafia. Who do you trust and who would you lynch? Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynchAt this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO.
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On December 06 2011 00:45 xsksc wrote:
I'll consider the case on hassybaby, gonna filter him. There are several people I'd like to lynch for being retarded but that's probably not the best idea :/
If you are referring to me, then do the town the favour and make a case on me. I'd actually say that a retarded townie is worse than a lurking one, simply because he ruins the environment. Don't BM me without following it up, it only makes you look worse.
To the rest, sorry if this seems like tunneling. But I need someone to argue xsksc's case or find a better candidate for me to back down here.
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On December 06 2011 01:02 xsksc wrote:Tunkeg, your case on me is shit. You say I haven't done anything useful? I've participated and created more discussion than anyone in the game, apart from Blazinghand. Also, your read did change drastically, all of a sudden you had this hunch that I'm scum, that for some reason you didn't have a couple of posts back? Bullshit! It's a lot harder to make a case on someone when you're scum. I was scum in my first game and I remember how difficult it is to fabricate evidence on someone innocent. This is what it looks like you're trying to do right now, you haven't got anything solid on me and suddenly you're trying to make town think I'm a good lynch. Every point of your case against me is weak and half-assed. I mean seriously, you expect people to believe I'm scum because I'm not being so welcoming and friendly to the newbies today? As for the easy kills part, I actually said I think an Adam lynch would be a good idea. I pressured EB sure, not because he was an easy target, but because he posted something blatantly anti-town. Do you disagree with this, if so, why? The discredit part is what amuses me the most though. I pointed out a major inconsistancy in your post, so what? Finding inconsistant statements is a great way to find scum! ##vote: Tunkeg
Great you stepped up, and delivered your vote. Either me or you, I think that's best for town. Either you die, turn scum and my point is proven, you die, flip green and I am in a shitstorm, or I die and you die day 2. I actually think this battle will be better for town than lynching the lurker.
Well my logic and your logic isn't the same I see. You say inconsistancy and fabricated evidence, I see a good case.
Now I question for you, do you really belive I would go for you as a target on day 1 as scum, seeing how many easy targets I could hide behind (like some others have done (read: you)), and risking the entire scum game? You have not played a good town game IMO, so tell me why would I take you out, before anyone of those?
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On December 06 2011 01:24 xsksc wrote:
First of all, don't use WIFOM to argue a case, scum LOVE that.
I'm tired of repeating myself today, so I'll say this one last time. I never jumped on any easy targets. EB was not an easy target. We had a pretty massive debate about anti-town plays and my stance on pressuring. I don't see how you can possibly think this is hiding behind an easy lynch. If you think I am hiding behind any other "easy targets" please provide evidence, rather than just using the term on me. Also, please tell me why you think my play thus far has been poor.
All right I will go through the post where EB, adam and BroodKingEXE have been talked about in a non-favorable way. That might take some time.
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On December 06 2011 01:32 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 01:24 xsksc wrote:
First of all, don't use WIFOM to argue a case, scum LOVE that.
I'm tired of repeating myself today, so I'll say this one last time. I never jumped on any easy targets. EB was not an easy target. We had a pretty massive debate about anti-town plays and my stance on pressuring. I don't see how you can possibly think this is hiding behind an easy lynch. If you think I am hiding behind any other "easy targets" please provide evidence, rather than just using the term on me. Also, please tell me why you think my play thus far has been poor.
All right I will go through the post where EB, adam and BroodKingEXE have been talked about in a non-favorable way. That might take some time.
Or did I missunderstand you, and you want evidence of you going for those three players?
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On December 06 2011 01:37 xsksc wrote:
I want you to show me where I'm hiding behind an easy lynch!
What I am saying is that the ones you have called out and put pressure on are those three players. You voted and you made a case out of nothing on EB (sure some would say he was anti-town cause he wanted to spite Blazing, but Blazing have gone abit over the top, and I can see why people might get pissed off at him) and you put BroodKingEXE as town lurker/maybe scum and Adam as Possible lynch. All those three you put out in red in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote:This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167Possible lynchLooks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByteUnsureHe has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:
My strongest scum read so far is Velinath.
He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.
Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best
How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal.
#Vote Velinath Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. BlazinghandLeaning townBlazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXETown lurker/Maybe ScumA lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlackScumThis guy would be a GREAT lynch. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:
Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you.
I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215Town?First post of his to take note of is this : Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Posting in between games of LoL.
So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.
Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.
I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.
You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.
I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftcNeutralThese guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. TunkegSuspiciousThis guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! 4 posts later.... Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynchAt this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning townIt's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure.
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On December 06 2011 01:36 xsksc wrote:
Non-favorable? Lol. Hiding behind an easy lynch = / = having a non favorable opinion
Oh God, so it begins again, you start bickering about details. There haven't been no lynch yet so you are right you haven't been hiding behind a easy lynch (is that what you want me to say???)
Let me rephrase it then, you have been pushing for what seems to be easy target for a future lynch.
Did that make it clearer?
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On December 06 2011 01:55 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 01:48 Tunkeg wrote:On December 06 2011 01:36 xsksc wrote:
Non-favorable? Lol. Hiding behind an easy lynch = / = having a non favorable opinion Oh God, so it begins again, you start bickering about details. There haven't been no lynch yet so you are right you haven't been hiding behind a easy lynch (is that what you want me to say???) Let me rephrase it then, you have been pushing for what seems to be easy target for a future lynch. Did that make it clearer? I asked you to point out the easy target I'm hiding behind, you still haven't done this. I am not bickering about the details. I'm asking you to simply back up your case. Your whole case seems to be built up around me being this scum who just jumps in on the easy targets, please actually show me an example.
I have in this post not long ago. But I will type them out once again Adam, EB and BroodKingEXE:
On December 06 2011 01:45 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 01:37 xsksc wrote:
I want you to show me where I'm hiding behind an easy lynch! What I am saying is that the ones you have called out and put pressure on are those three players. You voted and you made a case out of nothing on EB (sure some would say he was anti-town cause he wanted to spite Blazing, but Blazing have gone abit over the top, and I can see why people might get pissed off at him) and you put BroodKingEXE as town lurker/maybe scum and Adam as Possible lynch. All those three you put out in red in this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote:This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167Possible lynchLooks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByteUnsureHe has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:
My strongest scum read so far is Velinath.
He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.
Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best
How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal.
#Vote Velinath Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. BlazinghandLeaning townBlazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXETown lurker/Maybe ScumA lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlackScumThis guy would be a GREAT lynch. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:
Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you.
I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215Town?First post of his to take note of is this : Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Posting in between games of LoL.
So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.
Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.
I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.
You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.
I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftcNeutralThese guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. TunkegSuspiciousThis guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! 4 posts later.... Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynchAt this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning townIt's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure.
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On December 06 2011 01:49 Grackaroni wrote:
@He voted for xsksc earlier on the basis that he was not doing much scumhunting, your case is now fairly outdated and xsksc has been participating a lot in the thread. I'm curious if his recent posts have made you stick to your original feeling or changed your mind.
I'm sorry that I probably wont be back on for 4 hours.
The tunneling between you guys is good and helps to develop reads, For people watching though try to remember that there is still a chance that this is a townie vs townie argument, and that the scum might be smiling right now without having to act.
My read still makes me think that Tunkeg/Hassybaby are the best votes today
I would reccomend wasted votes that arent going to lead to a lynch please take a stance on a more likely candidate.
the votes on Veli/Jay are wasted votes, they are not going to be lynched today.
If nobody wants to put votes on BByte or BroodKingEXE i would suggest you change yours as well.
Not surprised you joined in on xsksc's side after these post you did after xsksc's list:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 13:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I do wish that Tunkeg would elaborate more on the Hunch before that made him think you were scum, because after looking through your filter I don't see anything that would point towards it. On December 05 2011 14:21 Grackaroni wrote:Here is another quote that makes me fairly suspicious of Tunkeg : Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 05:30 Tunkeg wrote:On December 05 2011 05:05 Grackaroni wrote:
@Tunkeg: also since you're here. I am curious why you painted Ey215 town in your reads. He is somebody that I am unsure of right now and all you explained is that "his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand." To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town This quote + his changing of opinion on xsksc without anything further happening in the thread make Tunkeg suspicious. Tunkeg has shown some inconsistencies between what he puts on his reads and what he actually feels. @Blazinghand : You're my strongest town read and have shown that you're good at analyzing, can you give me you're opinion on Tunkeg once you get back from dinner. On December 06 2011 00:23 Grackaroni wrote:I'm not going to be on for too long, I only have 30 minutes ATM. I've read both Adam and EB's defenses and they both look solid. EB spent a decent amount of time on his analysis for Hassy and it is entirely possible that he was tired and didn't want to spend the time to write out his analysis at the time. @Velinath we need to get out of this attitude of accusing people for being absent from the thread for more than 12 hours. I feel like it's starting to cause chaos because we end up accusing everybody for not posting much when it's likely that they may have been busy. That said xsksc and I came to the conclusion that Tunkeg was suspicious because he switched his reads without xsksc saying anything else in the thread. He goes from saying : xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt! In the first post it seems like he may be leaning town but only within a few hours, during a time when xsksc didn't say anything at all he changes his mind to believing he is scum: xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 05:30 Tunkeg wrote:On December 05 2011 05:05 Grackaroni wrote:
@Tunkeg: also since you're here. I am curious why you painted Ey215 town in your reads. He is somebody that I am unsure of right now and all you explained is that "his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand." To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town Once again it seems like from just a little bit of pressure he decided to change his reads, which just seems inconsistent to me. At the end of your filter you alluded something about a hidden agenda to Xfftc's posts. I am interested in this because he is definitely a null read for me at the moment, and I'm curious if you're still suspicious of him after the changes in the the thread. I wouldn't blame you if you think there is better lynches right now because a lot has changed. As of right now I would be satisfied with a Tunkeg or a Hassybaby lynch. if somebody still wants to push a strong case for an Adam/EB lynch I would still be open to that. I Definitely want to hear some of your opinions Tunkeg.
That beeing said I am not saying that you two necessarily are afiliated. But it is abit suspicious, and if I am the one getting lynched today, then certantly it should be something that the rest of you take into consideration.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 02:00 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Back from work guys. Have read up on the thread now. First I would like to say, we can not lynch a easy target lurker today, unless you feel you have absolutely no read on anyone. While I was away xsksc have done quite abit of posting. And that is great, cause his postings have made me more certain he is scum. And thats not only because he labels me suspicious, but thats part of it. Here is my analyze of xsksc and why he should get lynched today. SchizoFrom beeing mr helpful and mr smileyface yesterday:: + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:For those of you playing your first game, hi! There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. On December 04 2011 12:26 xsksc wrote:Well, with something like a counter-claim, we have to decide who's telling the truth and who's not, breadcrumbs are useful for this later in the game. If we happen to get it wrong and kill the blue, we get a guarenteed scum lynch the next day, so it's not the end of the world Don't get the wrong idea here blues, we do NOT want you to claim now cause you'll just get shot, it's just a hypothetical situation. On December 04 2011 13:13 xsksc wrote:Ok I'm going to clarify for those unsure. Changing your past opinnion about someone or being wrong about something is not gonna get you lynched for lying. A misunderstanding is not a lie. Telling us you got roleblocked or medic saved etc when nobody visited you that night, that's a lie. Making a fake dt claim to try and lynch someone you think is scum, that's a lie. It's ok to be wrong, just don't straight up lie He have become mr aggressive and fuck-you guy today: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 18:57 xsksc wrote:
No, you're not supposed to read it like that. I said what you did was really anti-town, and it was dumb whatever your alignment is. If you're town, don't ever do something out of spite, it's stupid. If you're mafia, it's dumb too for obvious reasons.
If you are a townie, the responsibility is on YOU to not do dumb shit like that. It's your job to not get lynched.
I'm not pressuring you because you're an easy lynch, if you read my filter I've been transparent all game, I don't want town doing dumb stuff. If you're under pressure from someone, don't make an FU post and leave, it really doesn't make you look good. On December 05 2011 19:20 xsksc wrote:
It looks like you really don't understand how voting works in mafia. I can unvote you AT ANY TIME. My vote on you is not final. It's called pressure, and it's working. Pressure voting is very common in mafia games, it makes people uncomfortable and it gets responses out of people. Am I voting you because I have a 100% sure reason to believe you're mafia? Lol, of course not, I don't need to give you a list of evidence as to why you're scum, that's ridiculous. It's a pressure vote, nothing more nothing less, and it certainly seems to be working.
I've said this 3 fucking times now, maybe you'll finally get the message. DOING SOMETHING OUT OF SPITE IS ANTI-TOWN. That's why you got my vote. Anti-town = bad.
The way you are over-reacting to the pressure is interesting though, and it's something I'll definitely take note of. On December 05 2011 19:41 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually reading what I'm saying? Fuck me man, seriously. On December 05 2011 20:08 xsksc wrote:
I've told you. I've told you four fucking times and I'm starting to lose my patience here.
"Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you."
This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment.
I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond.
Anti-town = / = Scum
This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself. Why is that? Did someone call him out yesterday, and now he need to change his playstyle? Well, this is scummy to me, going from nice guy to ass over the night is strange. No, it's not. He was making a point to EB, and was obviously frustrated in that argument. I'd react exactly the same way. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Easy killsHe made his general analysis in the post shown in spoiler below. Where he have greened out the "safe bets" Velinath and Blazinghand, who have been doing alot of posting, but who neither one have put him under the spotlight. He proceeds to red out all the easy targets like Adam4167 (got alot of votes on him at the time), BroodKingEXE (maybe scum he writes, a player who easily could get lynched for beeing a lurker) and ElectrickBlack. All these lynches are easy lynches for scum! No one will suspect any scums for beeing responsible for these lynches if they turn up green. Am I saying that all of them are green, NO, I know to little about them. But what I do know is that scum will benifit from a misslynch on one of those (at least at the time of xsksc's post, he changed his view on ElectricBlack, which I will discuss further down). + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote:This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167Possible lynchLooks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByteUnsureHe has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:
My strongest scum read so far is Velinath.
He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.
Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best
How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal.
#Vote Velinath Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. BlazinghandLeaning townBlazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXETown lurker/Maybe ScumA lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlackScumThis guy would be a GREAT lynch. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:
Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you.
I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215Town?First post of his to take note of is this : Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Posting in between games of LoL.
So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.
Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.
I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.
You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.
I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftcNeutralThese guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. TunkegSuspiciousThis guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! 4 posts later.... Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. Bbyte Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him.
Trust and lynch
At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet.
For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning townIt's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure. Your reasoning is suspect here. If a candidate is a good lynch target, or is acting suspicious, of course they'll be mentioned in posts like this. What do you want to be said, that people who act suspicious should be ignored in lynch discussion? Easy targets are easy for a reason - they act suspicious. When independent reasoning is provided, as xkskc did, it's fine if they're then voted for. If you're accusing him of going after easy targets why is he going after you? Other than OMGUS, there's no reason to pressure you as an "easy target" - your pressure on a couple of players earlier in the game (I can't go get the post quote right now) means that there will probablybe some resistance to a lynch wagon on you. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Discredit
In his post shown above he also discredits me, and label me as suspicious. But he won't act on it, he is setting me up for a later lynch, or maybe just portray me as a fool. Why oh why? Besides xtfftc I have been the only one really getting on his case. For the town to disregard me is a good thing for him as a scum. He says my scumlist is what is suspicious. Again, the scumlist came after I was asked a question on where I put the allegiance of the different players. Yes, I did use colours, and maybe some will say I used to much colours based on the current reads, but it got the red ones talking.
Other than that what I consider the most suspicious about my play is that I have been abit all over the place. Poking alot, maybe not beeing good enough with the follow-up. But that I think is a sound strategy in the beginning of day one. Now, as we close in on the first lynch I will scope it down. What is most suspicious about your play is your inconsistency on reading xkskc. Is he educating or is he scum - and why change your mind within four posts? If your "scumlist" was only your second post, then why even post the first list of players if not to act as preliminary alignment reads? Side note, although it isn't completely relevant: xkskc did take that stance of voting you after the case was posted. Food for thought. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Applying pressure, but on the wrong terms
xsksc have been applying pressure on ElectricBlack because EB said he would not put down his vote on spite. He goes over the top on something as unimportant as that, trying to pin ElectricBlack as a poor townie for it, feeding into his easy target redlist before. He eventually backs down when he see it won't take him anywhere.
That's a pressure play on an anti-town move. It was absolutely the correct call - when someone says they have information and then don't share it, that's unreasonable. After EB explained himself, xkskc backed off because EB made sense. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 01:02 xsksc wrote:
Tunkeg, your case on me is shit. You say I haven't done anything useful? I've participated and created more discussion than anyone in the game, apart from Blazinghand. Also, your read did change drastically, all of a sudden you had this hunch that I'm scum, that for some reason you didn't have a couple of posts back? Bullshit!
It's a lot harder to make a case on someone when you're scum. I was scum in my first game and I remember how difficult it is to fabricate evidence on someone innocent. This is what it looks like you're trying to do right now, you haven't got anything solid on me and suddenly you're trying to make town think I'm a good lynch.
Every point of your case against me is weak and half-assed. I mean seriously, you expect people to believe I'm scum because I'm not being so welcoming and friendly to the newbies today? As for the easy kills part, I actually said I think an Adam lynch would be a good idea. I pressured EB sure, not because he was an easy target, but because he posted something blatantly anti-town. Do you disagree with this, if so, why? The discredit part is what amuses me the most though. I pointed out a major inconsistancy in your post, so what?
Finding inconsistant statements is a great way to find scum!
##vote: Tunkeg I can't say much here. This insane OMGUS response seems either like you're overreacting to a weak case or you're getting way too involved in the thread after the argument with EB earlier. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 01:52 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually taking it seriously? I said there are some people I'd like to lynch but it would be a bad idea to do so. This obviously means there are people I'm annoyed with or have feelings about, but there's no actual reason to lynch them. What do you mean I can't "back it up"? How do you expect me to back up a sentence like that? Who are those people, why are you annoyed with them, what have they done in this game to merit that? Okay, off to work, I'll be back.
1. It is his change in attitude that bothers me. He isn't posting in the same matter as yesterday. I get scum vibes from it.
2. He was going for the easy targets at the time, and only them. He mentioned me suspicious, and not at all going for me. Just a slight discrediting move. In a "Look out this guy is suspicious, don't listen to much to what he says"- kind of way.
3. This part is where I think I am most understood, I mean I am not contradicting myself. Can't a player both be educatiing others and scum? In this post I wrote abit about why I dont think I am contradicting my self:
[B]On December 06 2011 00:44 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:30 xsksc wrote:
Lol. I said you were suspicious because your read on me changed drastically when I said nothing between your posts. I'm not setting you up for a lynch, it's just suspicious. You have to do better than that to lose my vote. And you have to find a better candidate for lynch (be it me or anyone) or else I am sticking with you. My read never changed drastically. I said it in my first post that you IMO had not made any usefull posts, just helpfull, giving you a powerfull role. I then was asked to post my views on town, I decided to do it with the three I considered most likely scum at the moment coloured. And then I wrote on your case "It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities." I say that is pretty much the same, even if I prematurely labeled you scum. [spoiler] Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:On December 04 2011 23:21 xtfftc wrote:
Tunkeg, I approve of the way you're pressuring but would you mind answering the questions you've been so happy to ask the others? Not just a summary of the thread activity but how this makes people more or less likely to be mafia. Who do you trust and who would you lynch? Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynchAt this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. [/spoiler]
4. It was a bad pressure play. Pressure someone for something real, not BS like that.
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On December 06 2011 02:12 xsksc wrote:Oh god, having to repeat myself again? #1 I was against an adam lynch, show me the post where I'm actually FOR a case against adam. #2 You seriously think my 2 and a half page long pressure on EB was hiding behind an easy target? I made my stance on pressuring him pretty clear already. #3 Broodking? I called him a lurker because he was lurking, which funnily enough, is a scum trait. Please actually show me the posts where I'm using people as an easy target and we can stop this bullshit. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 02:00 Velinath wrote:On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Back from work guys. Have read up on the thread now. First I would like to say, we can not lynch a easy target lurker today, unless you feel you have absolutely no read on anyone. While I was away xsksc have done quite abit of posting. And that is great, cause his postings have made me more certain he is scum. And thats not only because he labels me suspicious, but thats part of it. Here is my analyze of xsksc and why he should get lynched today. SchizoFrom beeing mr helpful and mr smileyface yesterday:: + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:For those of you playing your first game, hi! There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. On December 04 2011 12:26 xsksc wrote:Well, with something like a counter-claim, we have to decide who's telling the truth and who's not, breadcrumbs are useful for this later in the game. If we happen to get it wrong and kill the blue, we get a guarenteed scum lynch the next day, so it's not the end of the world Don't get the wrong idea here blues, we do NOT want you to claim now cause you'll just get shot, it's just a hypothetical situation. On December 04 2011 13:13 xsksc wrote:Ok I'm going to clarify for those unsure. Changing your past opinnion about someone or being wrong about something is not gonna get you lynched for lying. A misunderstanding is not a lie. Telling us you got roleblocked or medic saved etc when nobody visited you that night, that's a lie. Making a fake dt claim to try and lynch someone you think is scum, that's a lie. It's ok to be wrong, just don't straight up lie He have become mr aggressive and fuck-you guy today: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 18:57 xsksc wrote:
No, you're not supposed to read it like that. I said what you did was really anti-town, and it was dumb whatever your alignment is. If you're town, don't ever do something out of spite, it's stupid. If you're mafia, it's dumb too for obvious reasons.
If you are a townie, the responsibility is on YOU to not do dumb shit like that. It's your job to not get lynched.
I'm not pressuring you because you're an easy lynch, if you read my filter I've been transparent all game, I don't want town doing dumb stuff. If you're under pressure from someone, don't make an FU post and leave, it really doesn't make you look good. On December 05 2011 19:20 xsksc wrote:
It looks like you really don't understand how voting works in mafia. I can unvote you AT ANY TIME. My vote on you is not final. It's called pressure, and it's working. Pressure voting is very common in mafia games, it makes people uncomfortable and it gets responses out of people. Am I voting you because I have a 100% sure reason to believe you're mafia? Lol, of course not, I don't need to give you a list of evidence as to why you're scum, that's ridiculous. It's a pressure vote, nothing more nothing less, and it certainly seems to be working.
I've said this 3 fucking times now, maybe you'll finally get the message. DOING SOMETHING OUT OF SPITE IS ANTI-TOWN. That's why you got my vote. Anti-town = bad.
The way you are over-reacting to the pressure is interesting though, and it's something I'll definitely take note of. On December 05 2011 19:41 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually reading what I'm saying? Fuck me man, seriously. On December 05 2011 20:08 xsksc wrote:
I've told you. I've told you four fucking times and I'm starting to lose my patience here.
"Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you."
This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment.
I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond.
Anti-town = / = Scum
This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself. Why is that? Did someone call him out yesterday, and now he need to change his playstyle? Well, this is scummy to me, going from nice guy to ass over the night is strange. No, it's not. He was making a point to EB, and was obviously frustrated in that argument. I'd react exactly the same way. On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Easy killsHe made his general analysis in the post shown in spoiler below. Where he have greened out the "safe bets" Velinath and Blazinghand, who have been doing alot of posting, but who neither one have put him under the spotlight. He proceeds to red out all the easy targets like Adam4167 (got alot of votes on him at the time), BroodKingEXE (maybe scum he writes, a player who easily could get lynched for beeing a lurker) and ElectrickBlack. All these lynches are easy lynches for scum! No one will suspect any scums for beeing responsible for these lynches if they turn up green. Am I saying that all of them are green, NO, I know to little about them. But what I do know is that scum will benifit from a misslynch on one of those (at least at the time of xsksc's post, he changed his view on ElectricBlack, which I will discuss further down). + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote:This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167Possible lynchLooks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByteUnsureHe has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:
My strongest scum read so far is Velinath.
He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.
Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best
How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal.
#Vote Velinath Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. BlazinghandLeaning townBlazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXETown lurker/Maybe ScumA lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlackScumThis guy would be a GREAT lynch. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:
Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you.
I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215Town?First post of his to take note of is this : Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Posting in between games of LoL.
So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.
Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.
I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.
You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.
I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftcNeutralThese guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. TunkegSuspiciousThis guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! 4 posts later.... Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. Bbyte Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him.
Trust and lynch
At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet.
For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning townIt's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure. Your reasoning is suspect here. If a candidate is a good lynch target, or is acting suspicious, of course they'll be mentioned in posts like this. What do you want to be said, that people who act suspicious should be ignored in lynch discussion? Easy targets are easy for a reason - they act suspicious. When independent reasoning is provided, as xkskc did, it's fine if they're then voted for. If you're accusing him of going after easy targets why is he going after you? Other than OMGUS, there's no reason to pressure you as an "easy target" - your pressure on a couple of players earlier in the game (I can't go get the post quote right now) means that there will probablybe some resistance to a lynch wagon on you. On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Discredit
In his post shown above he also discredits me, and label me as suspicious. But he won't act on it, he is setting me up for a later lynch, or maybe just portray me as a fool. Why oh why? Besides xtfftc I have been the only one really getting on his case. For the town to disregard me is a good thing for him as a scum. He says my scumlist is what is suspicious. Again, the scumlist came after I was asked a question on where I put the allegiance of the different players. Yes, I did use colours, and maybe some will say I used to much colours based on the current reads, but it got the red ones talking.
Other than that what I consider the most suspicious about my play is that I have been abit all over the place. Poking alot, maybe not beeing good enough with the follow-up. But that I think is a sound strategy in the beginning of day one. Now, as we close in on the first lynch I will scope it down. What is most suspicious about your play is your inconsistency on reading xkskc. Is he educating or is he scum - and why change your mind within four posts? If your "scumlist" was only your second post, then why even post the first list of players if not to act as preliminary alignment reads? Side note, although it isn't completely relevant: xkskc did take that stance of voting you after the case was posted. Food for thought. On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Applying pressure, but on the wrong terms
xsksc have been applying pressure on ElectricBlack because EB said he would not put down his vote on spite. He goes over the top on something as unimportant as that, trying to pin ElectricBlack as a poor townie for it, feeding into his easy target redlist before. He eventually backs down when he see it won't take him anywhere.
That's a pressure play on an anti-town move. It was absolutely the correct call - when someone says they have information and then don't share it, that's unreasonable. After EB explained himself, xkskc backed off because EB made sense. On December 06 2011 01:02 xsksc wrote:
Tunkeg, your case on me is shit. You say I haven't done anything useful? I've participated and created more discussion than anyone in the game, apart from Blazinghand. Also, your read did change drastically, all of a sudden you had this hunch that I'm scum, that for some reason you didn't have a couple of posts back? Bullshit!
It's a lot harder to make a case on someone when you're scum. I was scum in my first game and I remember how difficult it is to fabricate evidence on someone innocent. This is what it looks like you're trying to do right now, you haven't got anything solid on me and suddenly you're trying to make town think I'm a good lynch.
Every point of your case against me is weak and half-assed. I mean seriously, you expect people to believe I'm scum because I'm not being so welcoming and friendly to the newbies today? As for the easy kills part, I actually said I think an Adam lynch would be a good idea. I pressured EB sure, not because he was an easy target, but because he posted something blatantly anti-town. Do you disagree with this, if so, why? The discredit part is what amuses me the most though. I pointed out a major inconsistancy in your post, so what?
Finding inconsistant statements is a great way to find scum!
##vote: Tunkeg I can't say much here. This insane OMGUS response seems either like you're overreacting to a weak case or you're getting way too involved in the thread after the argument with EB earlier. On December 06 2011 01:52 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually taking it seriously? I said there are some people I'd like to lynch but it would be a bad idea to do so. This obviously means there are people I'm annoyed with or have feelings about, but there's no actual reason to lynch them. What do you mean I can't "back it up"? How do you expect me to back up a sentence like that? Who are those people, why are you annoyed with them, what have they done in this game to merit that? Okay, off to work, I'll be back. This sums it up nicely, thanks. And yes, it's probably obvious that I'm incredibly frustrated at the moment. I should have gone to bed hours and hours ago, I got sick of having to repeat parts of my posts over and over to EB and more recently, Tunkeg. So I'd like to apologise for calling you retards, and for losing my temper earlier. It happens to the best of us but I was totally out of line.
[b]And yes, it's probably obvious that I'm incredibly frustrated at the moment. I should have gone to bed hours and hours ago, I got sick of having to repeat parts of my posts over and over to EB and more recently, Tunkeg.
This part is the same I feel, only towards you. Maybe my english is all crap and I don't understand what you are saying, and I am not writing what I think I am saying, but we aren't understanding eachother thats for sure. My point is that you were going for the easy targets. Adam you had as a possible lynch candidate, and ElectricBlack you went into a crazy fight over nothing for.
Your list posts show all three of them red, and they are all easy targets IMO, hence you where at least at the time leaning on easy targets.
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I will take a step back for now. I'll let the rest of you make your opinion about my case here. I don't see me bickering with xsksc over details actually beeing productive at this point. There is noi point for me tunneling further on xsksc, and some of you might even have input to either strengthen my case or weaken it. Or perhaps some of you ahve other cases you wish to push.
I'll take some time off then, and will be back later.
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I am happy I took a step back and didn't pursue the argument with xsksc. The argument itself was to long, and it looks like the activity in the thread have suffered from it. I still think he is scum for the reasons previous listed, and I will uphold my vote on him. I will change it though if him getting lynched are highly unlikely by the time I have to go to bed (approxiumately 2 hours). So if you consider voting for him, vote before that time.
I do not like him jumping ship on me, leaving for Bbyte. That beeing said, I am more conserned with Grackaronis vote at the moment. His vote came right after xsksc's vote. He have been xsksc's parrot after xsksc's switch to aggressive.
That beeing said I have not taken a stance on the votes on Bbyte, I need to read more of his posts to make sure if he is really as lurky and scummy as you guys portray him.
Finally I would like to say that I am not against lynching lurkers, as stated in my opening post, but only if we can't find others who appear scummy. Lynching a scummy non-lurker will IMO give more information to the town, than lynching a lurker.
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On December 06 2011 06:46 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 06:21 Tunkeg wrote:
I am happy I took a step back and didn't pursue the argument with xsksc. The argument itself was to long, and it looks like the activity in the thread have suffered from it. I still think he is scum for the reasons previous listed, and I will uphold my vote on him. I will change it though if him getting lynched are highly unlikely by the time I have to go to bed (approxiumately 2 hours). So if you consider voting for him, vote before that time.
I do not like him jumping ship on me, leaving for Bbyte. That beeing said, I am more conserned with Grackaronis vote at the moment. His vote came right after xsksc's vote. He have been xsksc's parrot after xsksc's switch to aggressive.
That beeing said I have not taken a stance on the votes on Bbyte, I need to read more of his posts to make sure if he is really as lurky and scummy as you guys portray him.
Finally I would like to say that I am not against lynching lurkers, as stated in my opening post, but only if we can't find others who appear scummy. Lynching a scummy non-lurker will IMO give more information to the town, than lynching a lurker. I do believe that xsksc is town and did side with him against you. in fact I started getting suspicious of you a while ago. if you are looking for somebody to blame for putting pressure on you, I started agreeing with the suspicion of you changing his mind about him after Jaybrundage asked me what I thought of xsksc. I am probably one of the reasons you got a lot of attention, but I have been making my own decisions Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 14:21 Grackaroni wrote:Here is another quote that makes me fairly suspicious of Tunkeg : On December 05 2011 05:30 Tunkeg wrote:On December 05 2011 05:05 Grackaroni wrote:
@Tunkeg: also since you're here. I am curious why you painted Ey215 town in your reads. He is somebody that I am unsure of right now and all you explained is that "his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand." To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town This quote + his changing of opinion on xsksc without anything further happening in the thread make Tunkeg suspicious. Tunkeg has shown some inconsistencies between what he puts on his reads and what he actually feels. @Blazinghand : You're my strongest town read and have shown that you're good at analyzing, can you give me you're opinion on Tunkeg once you get back from dinner. I don't like that you are accusing me of "parroting xsksc." He is on my town list and I have been siding with him but I am still making my own decisions. My vote was on Adam at the time and it simply didn't seem like you were going to be lynched and I'm still not positive you are mafia. BByte has not contributed and has a stupid (what seems to be an OMGUS) vote on Veli. I think that this is just a bad move but it is possible that he purposely put his vote on somebody not going to be lynched to distance himself from any blame. Is it likely that he is scum? probably not. Will he contribute at all to the game? Even more likely not. I've said throughout the game that we should look for a strong analysis on the active players before we look to lynch a lurker. I feel we have done a lot of analyzing and it is unlikely that we will agree on who is mafia in the time we have left. , I don't want to join your bandwagon on xsksc and the only other person who had a chance to be lynched was xsksc/adam It looked like from the tunneling between xsksc and You that 2 sides were beginning to form Me supporting xsksc and Xtfftc supporting Tunkeg. Perhaps this should be looked at for future reads but I'm not sure it says too much about anyone's alignment. It is entirely possible that both you and xsksc is town. I still feel that Hassybaby should be looked at as a target for the lynch. If you want to know why once again read EB's case. If you would like to accuse me of being scum, please look through my filter and build a case. I would much rather you do that than mildly hinting that I have been "parroting" Xsksc.
I do not want to label you as scum. But I did want to say that you and xsksc have been of the same opinion lately, thats all. And it should be something that should be looked into further down the line.
For the xtfftc and me think I think you make an exellent point, and a very observing one. As I have stated before (and which is not going to make me look more detached from xtfftc) he looks like good town or great scum to me. So that is something that might come back and bite me in the ass later.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 08:04 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:56 jaybrundage wrote:
And tunkeg i would like your response to my reads heck. I would like everyones feed back. lets get some discussion going Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:25 jaybrundage wrote:My reads so far Adam4167- Ok so far i have a scum read on adam I you can see in my last post why click He just comes off happy to stay off the radar I dont like how he is going about his game. Just posting ot barely keep up. And in general comes off apathetic. He says hes a bored townie but i think it could be a lurking mafia BByte- He has posted but not alot he seems content to just respond to people. He did comment about breadcrumbs which is true. Its funny because in my game of Mini Mafia X WBG claimed a blue role and because he breadcrumbed it people beleived him. He did post his reads on people which is good. I would like to see more posting from him. My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte . Blazinghand- Blazinghand has been the biggest posting factor atm. Trying to keep people from lurking and in general trying to generate discussion. While it may not be kosher its seems like its working great. People have responded to his prods. My biggest concern is if he was mafia he would be doing a terrific job. I agree that he has been very pro town. But remember guys putting to much trust in someone is always a mistake. So be wary BroodKingEXE- Ok so far i posted a little to nothing. I gave my read on him before. clickerz Well i said previously that he gave off a non pro-town vibe off. I have to disagree now. Rereading his posts I just think hes just new town. Well he can be a bit hard to read i still think hes just a newbie that doesnt know whats scummy and whats townlike. However Regardless We do need to see some posts from you about what you think about other players. If you continue to post like you are you are prolly gonna get lynched. So post your content. If its wrong is not what matters what matters is that you gave your opinion. ElectricBlack- Ok so far ElectricBlack hasnt posted much so far. His last post was pretty good containing content about the lynching policies. His respond to BH and about how he though BH was doing a decent job of making discussion. I would really would like to get your reads on the town tho. He does bring up a good point while BH is prolly town we can completly rule anyone out as scum. Establishing thread presence is a good think for both townies and mafia to do. But again i would like you reads. So far i have a null read ey215- Has posted alot. Mostly because of the arguement between him and and BH. BH called him out for a no content post ey responded by saying BH was making baseless accusations. And it escalated from there. Veli was trying to bring the heat down a bit (good by him). But eventually they decided to just settle things, ey defended himself well. Although to be honest im not sure of his alignment as far. He could be mafia who just did a great job defending himself or a townie who made sure that BH is not going to unchecked. Im going to keep my eye on him. Grackaroni- So far he has posted his reads and gave a good bit of content. Giving his reads and trying to keep everyone on the same page He mentioned that he agrees with hassybaby about not making straight up accusations like Tunkeg did so early in the game when people havent posted alot. Will i dont really agree with this. I think coming out with your town reads is always good. Premature sometimes but good. I do agree with his case on Adam tho so far hes still the scummiest in my book. So far i got a pretty good town read on him. Hassybaby- Ok so Hassybaby got outright accused of mafia with out even posting. Maybe we should go with people guts and just lynch him lol. Well his first post comes out and talks about the LaL policy. He mentions that we should not just lynch a lurker or liar if we have a good read on someone. I think that we all agreed on this. He then talks about how he doesnt like Tunkeg accusations However i mentioned before i dont think It is the wrong thing to do to put your reads out there. I personally like waiting for everyone to post but regardless. He then tells Tunkeg that He is accusing people to much. I still disagree with this. Tunkeg is generating discussion. I honestly think aggressive scum hunting is completely fine. I don't agree with him on his points. Weather he is scum or not is hard to tell i would like his reads before jumping to conclusions Tunkeg- Ok So i have mixed feelings on Tunkeg First off he comes out with his alignment posts and calls out a nonposter and me as being scum. Honeslty i think you should let people post before calling them mafia lol. I do like how he is poking and generating discussion. While i think his biggest disappointment thing was still stupid which he mentions as well. Hassy mentions that he thinks tunkeg is accusing to many people early in the game. But i think that while Tunkeg has said somethings that i dont neccesary agree with i do think its furthing a town agenda. I do think hes coming off protown even if his accusations are not always right. Tunkeg what d Velinath- Well as far i see Veli as being at townie. he talks about the policies a good bit Actually alot but that what the current conversation was about. he kind of gets on BKEXE case. Which i kinda did at the start as well Its really hard to read BKEXE but i still do think hes a townie. And then he gives his reads alot of them were null reads but it is still hard to place alignments on people this early in the game. I do find his amount of posting comforting tho. Makes it a bit easier to disguish his alignment. xsksc- Ok so i like his first post. It pretty much generated the discussion we had on policy lynches and so forth it was good to get out of the way. He mentions posts about breadcrumbs not proving blues which i agree with. talks about policies a good bit. and then tell BH to not be trigger happy. Its kinda funny that everyone gave an opinion on BH. Again aggressive scumhunting is good imo and making people post is great. He got called out on not scum hunting. Which i kinda agree with. he started the conversation about lynching talked about that for a while and then goes and doesnt give much of his reads or even analyzes any posts. I want to see his reads but im leaning scummy xtfftc- Well so far i dont really agree with his policy posts. I do think lynch all liars is a fine policy. He mentions that last minute lynches are a bad thing and i have to agree. he strongly agrees that everyone should post regardless of how we get them to post so he agrees with BH method. He calls out Ey as his strongest mafia read tho. Ill have to go over ey's posts again. As my read was no where near strong on Ey. He also mentions that While people can buddy up for instance BH and Veli that they can often be town and posts an example Syllogism and Sandroba. I do agree that both. So far a null read. I would like to see more of your reads tho Well thats what i got so far plz everyone tell me what yall think this took fucking forever thank god for filters tho. Overall a good post, I agree on most of your reads. But my comments are: Adam: I was also tipping abit against scum on Adam, because of his lurking ways, but he is the only one who have been saying anti-town on Blazinghand, and I would think scum would not go after Blazinghand, but go for more easier targets. ElectricBlack Not sure if I agree on that his post was a really good post, it was an ok first post, and had he followed up then yeah, he could have been able to establish himself as town. But for me it seems abit like he is trying to give out as little information as possible, and that is not good for town. xtfftc He is a very hard read indeed. His posts have been seemingly protown, and he have had good activity. But he have supported me and Blazinghand, and as a scum that might be smart as many have town reads on us. He then have put his red mark on ey215 and a FOS on xsksc. ey215 is one of those who at the time could get framed and bandwagon lynched (based of his feud with Blazinghand) and afterward it would not be as obvious as for instance BroodKingEXE. Xsksc as a town is also a player I would presume scum would get rid off if they had the chance. So I consider xtfftc either a good townie or a great scum. As a final note I would like to say I completely agree of your comment about Blazinghand. There is no such thing as confirmed town!
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Having read up on the three most likely candidates for a lynch today (Those three are Adam (2votes in), Bbyte and Hassybaby.), and ElectricBlacks write up on Hassybaby I have the following thoughts:
From scummiest to towniest I'd go for Bbyte>Hassybaby>Adam.
Bbyte simply have posted to little and to little content.
Hassybaby is pretty much a no-read at the time. But one major bad thing is that he haven't posted for ages.
Adam I am leaning town on, and I do not want to see him lynched.
Seeing that xtfftx have unvoted xsksc, he will not be lynched tonight. And as bad as this looks, I will also post my vote on Bbyte, to avoid any surprises. But I really feel Bbyte have been bandwagoned here, but rather him than the other two.
##Unvote: xsksc
##Vote: Bbyte
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