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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 16 2011 13:14 GMT
#187
A lynch is a lynch, you can't just blame atmospheric noise or quantum mechanics when you vote on somebody who flips town. Can you tell me why a random lynch would be good for town as opposed to a no lynch?

I think Mr. Wiggles is the best lynch right now. He's actively been a lot more derpy than what should be expected from him. I'd like him to show up right now and start talking.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 16 2011 13:19 GMT
#188
Also, I think people need to argue a bit more about the hiro protagonist lynch. I seems that there's general consensus that he's just appearing scummy but, duh, that's what scum do? I think it's a bit weird that he only ever got two votes when he actually was very very scummy, and he keeps appearing like that. He doesn't answer questions and he doesn't post his reads beyond "I think everybody is town, but some are more town than others. Oh, some are null btw." this is the epitome of uselessness.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 16 2011 13:24 GMT
#191
... no it will not because no townie in their right mind would vote for someone based on how the stars are aligned on this particular day, and scum would follow suit in saying that it's a shitty plan. Every time you talk about it you are just distracting people from the game, so I'm happy that you'll stop talking about it now.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 16 2011 13:42 GMT
#195
Making it sound like he's certainly scum is a pretty nice trick to put a ton of pressure on a scum. He doesn't know that we don't know it, it will put a lot of stress on him unless he can keep his head cool. Did I think that he was 100% scum? At that time I was very suspicious and I wanted to put more pressure on him. He handled it very badly but skimming over a couple of his past games, he always plays like this. It sucks, but it's his meta. Also, no one defended him.

How did you think you would prevent a bandwagon by going through wherebugsgo's analysis and then agreeing with half of it and sporadically interjecting "shut up"? If you don't think that hiro protagonist is in the green at all, then why don't you want people to bandwagon on him?

Mr. Wiggles is the best lynch because he should definitely know better. He's a veteran and then he comes up with an overly simplistic plan to catch dumb people? What the hell? And then he follows up by saying "Lol, I didn't catch any dumb people, afk" and disappears. This isn't good enough.

@hiro protagonist

If you could lynch one guy right now who would it be and why? Can you keep arguments inside this game please, no lynching wherebugsgo because he called somebody a retard in PYPI or something like that.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#201
@Erandorr

So you were not trying to defend hiro protagonist, you were just trying to prevent people from voting for him, even though you thought he was scummy. You did this by saying that you thought that he was pretty bad looking and by agreeing with half of a huge analysis on him. A big part of the rest of the analysis you tried to refute by saying "shut up". Can you see why this makes little sense to me? I can understand being against stupid bandwagons that forms 10 minutes before deadline, but this was 25 hours before deadline and the guy had 2 votes on him.

Why wasn't the long post on wherebugsgo very smart by you? I agree with this but I'd like to hear your opinion on it too.

Also

##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 16 2011 15:01 GMT
#203
Then why the hell are you claiming now that you did it to prevent a bandwagon? You had no reason to do this, and you weren't doing it, so that makes no sense to me.

Do you see what I am getting at?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 01:08 GMT
#252
@wherebugsgo

Which of Mr. Wiggles points give you so much pause that you will not vote him over hiro protagonist even though most other people agree that hiro protagonist probably isn't scum? You said in a post that you were ready to switch to Mr. Wiggles over hiro protagonist unless Mr. Wiggles posted something of value, but you never said what exactly you thought Mr. Wiggles posted that convinced you not to switch your vote.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 02:34 GMT
#267
Creepiest night post ever.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 09:52 GMT
#276
I don't think that any of the first 5 people voting for Mr. Wiggles yesterday is scum. You just get too far behind if you start out by bussing your teammate, 1v7 is not a great situation for scum.

This leaves wherebugsgo, Meapak_Ziphh, and jaybrundage.

jaybrundage strikes me a genuinely new at this game, and I think a newbie would be more giddy about the QT, about making plans and talking to his scumbuddy before doing something crazy. I don't think a newbie as scum would overplay his newbieness in his very first game. I don't see him voting for wherebugsgo if he were scum, he'd be a lot more worried about getting caught and about his QT.

This leaves wherebugsgo, and Meapak_Ziphh.

I think this is very hard to decide but I don't think that Mr. Wiggles would have pushed for Meapak_Ziphh if Meapak_Ziphh had been his scumbuddy. This is again the "You don't bus your teammate 2v7 day1" idea, they wouldn't want the lynch to be between them as one of them would clearly get lynched then. I think if Meapak_Ziphh had been scum, Mr. Wiggles would have had better targets for lynch that day, such as hiro protagonist but also jaybrundage and Erandorr.

This leaves wherebugsgo.

I think it would be very hard to catch wherebugsgo doing anything overly scummy because, as Palmar stated, he is quite good at scum.

- He doesn't hammer Mr. Wiggles on a flaky foundation of "liking his points about Erandorr".
- He tries to make us focus on hiro protagonist and jaybrundage after lynch, two people who might appear as easy targets but I doubt that either of them is scum.
- He needlessly softclaims power role in his very first post.

I don't think that this alone is enough to pin wherebugsgo as scum but by the process of elimination, I think he's the player who is most likely to be the last scum.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 09:58 GMT
#277
EBWOP: ... I don't think that Mr. Wiggles would not have pushed for Meapak_Ziphh if Meapak_Ziphh had been his scumybuddy. ...
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 09:58 GMT
#278
Lol no that was actually right in the first place ... my brain just short circuited, sorry about that.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 11:12 GMT
#280
... single handedly?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 17 2011 12:04 GMT
#282
You are being surprisingly obtuse.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 18 2011 02:02 GMT
#294
Alright how do people feel about lynching wherebugsgo?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 18 2011 02:26 GMT
#296
##Vote wherebugsgo

I feel kinda good about it.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 18 2011 06:24 GMT
#301
On November 18 2011 15:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also if you were RB'd time to claim. Remember, only mafia knows who they RB'd so in this game if some claims RB with no CC it's like a free dt check.


Derp, remaining scum can just not have role blocked and then claim role blocked himself.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 19 2011 07:37 GMT
#337
@sandroba

You had no case on Meapak_Ziphh. Even if you don't want to discard jaybrundage's scummy behavior as newbie behavior, you really still should come up with whatever else you have. You are most likely prime target for scum tonight, I don't get why they didn't shoot you last night but maybe they are afraid of doctor/jailor, so in any case it would be pretty sweet if you could show us at least some of your Meapak_Ziphh analysis.

If jaybrundage had been scum, don't you think that Mr. Wiggles would have given him a bit of advice before his demise? Do you think Mr. Wiggles would say "you should go for sandroba tomorrow" when, just by reputation and jaybrundage's leaves-a-lot-to-be-desired-play, you could get jaybrundage lynched without even cooking up a case at all? I agree that jaybrundage is scummy, but it just doesn't look like he's been in a QT with Mr. Wiggles at all. All his scummy behavior can be explained by him being noob, and it doesn't make sense how he should act like this in his first game as scum. It really doesn't.

Also, the "mafia is not your thing at all" is a bit harsh, we are kinda trying to attract people to this sub forum not scare them away with elitism. Everybody has a shitty first game, well at least I did.

@jaybrundage

On November 19 2011 08:07 jaybrundage wrote:
sigh WBG you not gonna throw this game too T_T I'm not sure if your town or scum but if you town your not doing a good read if your scum then to be expected i guess


What did you expect and why? What do you mean "throw this game too", what other game did he throw? What other games did you read?


On November 19 2011 08:38 jaybrundage wrote:
[...]
I have to go over WBG posts a bit more before i comment about him


What did you find when rereading wherebugsgo's posts? What made you vote for him? Be honest dude.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 19 2011 13:14 GMT
#345
@jaybrundage

I don't want to lynch you but you can't expect people to defend you the slightest if you're not around and being active. So start being around and being active.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 19 2011 14:12 GMT
#348
@jaybrundage

Hey did you read the thread? If so, why did you elect not to answer my questions?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 19 2011 16:27 GMT
#373
@Erandorr

At the danger of being ever more of an idiot I don't think that hiro protagonist is scum. I skimmed some of his earlier games and he always looks like this.

This post from PYP:I looks the same as his posts here, he never says anybody is scum. He mostly just focuses on who is town. Now, I know that there was a mayoral election on day1 in PYP:I but people still had to scum hunt. Also his logic was way off as illustrated in posts like this. I think his posts in that game looks a lot like his posts in this game, he is trying, in his own peculiar way, to create what he think is is a good townie atmosphere.

The most townie tell for hiro protagonist in my opinion is that he voted for Mr. Wiggles as fourth. I don't think the lynch was certain at that point and I don't think that he bussed Mr. Wiggles. While sandroba had said that he liked the Mr. Wiggles lynch he had not voted yet and I don't think that anybody would bus their scum buddy on day1. I don't think scum would want any of them to die on day1 since that would give town 3 lynches to find the last scum, that's really uphill.

I would like to lynch wherebugsgo. The simplest explanation is that scum don't want to die day1, don't draw attention to each other, and that overly newbie play is probably because someone is ... very new at this game. This leaves wherebugsgo.

Also, I don't hate wherebugsgo's play, I think he's pretty good at mafia both as scum and as town, but whatever.

I don't like the no lynch idea.
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