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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 21 2011 23:48 GMT
#1680
Guys we are running out of time to make intelligent decisions. what are everyone's thoughts, disregarding prplhz (too much WIFOM potential)
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November 22 2011 00:02 GMT
#1685
On November 22 2011 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
good god you guys are a bunch of ...

-___-


WBG, to repeat the question that was lost a page back, do you think we should still lynch nisani with prp's post-mortem blue claim? what makes him different now than sinani and prp?
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United States6736 Posts
November 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#1699
On November 22 2011 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 09:02 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
good god you guys are a bunch of ...

-___-


WBG, to repeat the question that was lost a page back, do you think we should still lynch nisani with prp's post-mortem blue claim? what makes him different now than sinani and prp?


-_-

I feel like a broken record. Unless Nisani does anything additionally bad in the future, I will keep referring people back to this post specifically, since I do believe I've repeated my reasoning at least twice now.

Here's the bulk of the initial case:


Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 05:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 18 2011 05:28 Nisani201 wrote:
WBG you are so wrong... I provided a reason for every single one my votes.


Okay, I think I understand now.

On November 17 2011 08:55 Nisani201 wrote:
Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down.

But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die.

##Vote: Kenpachi


That's not a reason. "Kenpachi is irrelevant therefore he should die" is not a reason for him being scum.

On November 17 2011 10:02 Nisani201 wrote:
Palmar needs to get lynched. His case against chaoser is stupid, and he has barely been doing anything throughout this game. His vote on Lanaia is also scummy.

##Vote: Palmar


That sounds like a reason, but actually it's just bull. Completely unsubstantiated.

On November 17 2011 02:16 Nisani201 wrote:
On November 17 2011 00:55 Palmar wrote:
On November 17 2011 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, one bullshit case is bad enough. But two?

Enough with the FoS. Forumite is scum.

##Vote: Forumite


Which case is bullshit mr. Nisani201?

Both of them are bullshit. First we have this case against LSB, which I already mentioned:

On November 15 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:
/confirm
On November 15 2011 16:12 LSB wrote:
On November 15 2011 15:49 DCLXVI wrote:
damn I forgot people post while I'm in the middle of writing posts... ugh


On November 15 2011 14:55 LSB wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:19 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
On November 15 2011 12:55 LSB wrote:
come to think about it, that does seem like a nice icebreaker. So everyone! How about lets talk about how you think mafia should be played, the importance of blues, what should we do with lurkers, and what majority lynch means.
LAL?
For your point on LAL, unless I have misread the OP, we only know what abilities are possible, not which are actually in the game, how they may have been combined into roles, nor how many of the role there may be. So, unless we have a cop of some variety, I don't know how you intend to find liars in this game. So were you just stating that as a general "in mafia games" rule, or did you have something in mind for this game in particular? I'd be interested in hearing how you intend to determine the liars given the setup.

Lying will come up and you will be able to recognize it. The most prominent example is fake claims. So LAL means no fake claims. + Show Spoiler +
Or it means don't get caught lying.
+ Show Spoiler +
Kenpachi's green claim would be an example of a potentially acceptable lie (if he is blue) as this early in the game any claims are meaningless


So what is your position on Kenpachi claiming townie? At first you say LAL, but then lying can be acceptable in certain situations, such as kenpachi is blue. Then you say that his claim is meaningless as it is too early in the game. Does that make his post spam/intentionally distracting? Surely he is a good enough player to realize the importance of his claim. Can you explain your opinions on the subject rather than just post vague generalizations. Is kenpachi's claim worth analyzing/what does it mean?

Wtf does this mean? Are you saying you are taking Kenpachi seriously?
Stop talking hypotheticals, iirc you've played with Kenpachi before. Even if you have not you can go through his posts and figure out how he plays. In addition you've played before so you know how TL mafia is in the first few hours. I honestly don't see how

I´m going to step in here. DCLXVI allready caught this and posted before me, but I don´t think my reason for noticing has been discussed. Okay, to me it looks like this; LSB wants us to Lynch All Liars. Kenpachi claimed Townie, but LSB doesn´t want us to take the Kenpachi claim seriously. My problem here is that either Kenpachi lied, or he just told Scum not to nightkill him, because it would be no use. If we are going to go by the LAL policy, then either Kenpachi lied or acted Pro-Scum, so why should we back off? Kenpachi does this every game, then we can ignore his claim, but what I don´t agree with is LSB promoting LAL wanting to ignore the claim, even if it is meta. It took him about 5 posts to go back on his own policy of Lynch All Liars. If Kenpachi lied (or play Pro-Scum), why does LSB then defend him after his first policy post?

FoS LSB

As for lynching 1-2 lurkers and 1-2 scum, sounds reasonable, I think we should stay at about that number for now. We need to be carefull about lynching, not just because of the consequences in the setup, but if we find 5 players who seem connected, then it´s better to lynch 1-2 and see if they are scum, than lynching all 5 at once and kill 5 innocent townies at once.


And then we have this:


On November 16 2011 22:48 Forumite wrote:
On November 16 2011 22:09 xsksc wrote:
On November 16 2011 21:42 Forumite wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:13 xsksc wrote:
This is my first proper mafia game, just finished a newbie mini-game the other day.
GLHF Everyone!:D

Just found this little gem. Looks like a typical newbie scumpost. His filter suggest the same.

FoS: xsksc


Sorry, what? I posted this before the game even got going, I was breaking the ice and being friendly, what is scummy about it? It IS my first real mafia game, I'm excited about it. Several others have said it's their first game too. Can you enlighten me, why do you think it's a newbie scumpost?

No, the game had allready started. You confirmed getting your role first of all players, then when people got going with discussing policy, you dropped the above post. During 2 hours people had been talking about policy, and even dropped a few weird posts that have since been called out, so the game had definetly started.

And about which part is scummy about it? Everything! You excuse yourself as a new player, thereby lowering our expectations on your contribution in the game, making way for future lurking. It´s an empty icebreaker, full of forced enthusiasm. The message of the post is "I´m trying to help but will probably fail". Is that the kind of player we are going to rely on in this game, or someone who will be left until the end because noone will bother to shoot him?


He is pressuring them based on bullshit cases.

------------

In regards to chaoser, I don't think that Palmar's analysis has enough evidence to prove him guilty. Just because it's Palmar doesn't mean that we can't look at his analysees objectively.


When Palmar asked you "what case is bullshit" you just picked the two and said they're bullshit.

You didn't say why. You didn't point out anything that seemed fabricated. You just said they're bullshit. Real convincing, dude.

On November 18 2011 01:58 Nisani201 wrote:
I just read through Drazerk's filter. He has been jumping on bandwagons and supporting bad lynches this whole game.

Seriously, why aren't more people voting for him?

##Vote: Drazerk


This one makes you a hypocrite, since you also voted Kenpachi.

The problem is that both you and Drazerk look terrible, and neither of you has amazing town play. Drazerk is straight up bad as town (no offense, Drazerk you defended yourself by saying that lol).

I'd rather vote you over Drazerk right now since you seem to be soft-defending chaoser at every turn, and I don't like chaoser right now.

So, you need to die.

##unvote Drazerk
##vote Nisani201




#2 is his shift in behavior from the way he previously plays.

here's more:


Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nisani your defense is terrible and you are pushing bad lynches.

Notice how no one agrees with you, other than perhaps Drazerk? Yeah, that's cause you don't have a case on Forumite. Your vote on him is bad.

Drazerk is a bad lynch today too, for the simple reason that he's just been cocky. People are trying to use LaL to lynch him, which is honestly hilarious.


#3, he was one of the players who was on only one of the wagons yesterday. He voted Kenpachi for really dumb reasons, then appeared to back off when he got hammered. That was shady to me even before the flip.

#4, what separates him from sinani is that nisani actually has a discernible style as town and scum. In this game he has OMGUSed every single person who initially voted him (myself, Palmar, cyber) and as town he doesn't do that, generally.

He's not a very good player, but he's not this bad either.

Then, he continually pushed Drazerk for no reason, even going so far as to connect me and Drazerk. Unsubstantiated assumptions ftw. As town he doesn't tend to do such things, he just tunnels one player. He randomly voted multiple people day 1 and claimed he actually had reasoning for his votes despite failing to come up with them over and over.

Lastly, since I thought chaoser was scum, and he straight up refused to comment on Nisani, I was increasingly suspicious that they were scum together.

We can't determine that until one of them flips, of course, but it's a lead nevertheless.


So you would prefer a Nisani lynch over a MrZentor lynch if you had to choose? because if I had to choose between the two, that's the direction I would go. apart from feeling like a dick for slamming the guy right when he comes in (unrelated), the way he unvoted palmar immediately and isn't freaking out about his impending death has placed some doubts in my mind. On the subject with nisani, his voting patterns have disturbed me greatly this game. In addition, i agree with the sentiment that seeing one of their flips would be quite helpful.
So for now ##Unvote: MrZentor and ##Vote: Nisani201 until he can provide me reason not to.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 22 2011 00:32 GMT
#1700
On November 22 2011 09:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
also DCLXVI is soft-claiming medic.

A real medic wouldn't do that...


Where do you see this?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 23 2011 14:30 GMT
#1880
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
Okay, here is my blue reads :

Lanaia : She made a dumb mistake in the early game, revealing her double vote ability. In addition to that, she migth have a weak pardonner role, as she thought for a moment to be able to save prplhz.

Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post :
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI.

He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful).

hysche : With Drazerk revealed as the weak Mason, i think we can all safely assume that hysche is the strong Mason. He is likely a Mason/Bulletproof mixup.


DCLXVI: Kenpachi role was revealed as the Newbie Doctor. I beleive DCLXVI is an experienced doctor . Please have a look at :.
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On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim.
and
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 11:01 DCLXVI wrote:
Much better than a medic in some ways, but with a drawback to even it out, somewhat. I doubt Palmars claim because I don't think there is a third medic role

From this I deduce that it is likely that DCLXIV is able to protect multiple target during one nigth !, but with a drawback ( usable only once/ not every nigth?)

EVERYONE PLEASE UNVOTE DCLXVI. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER BLUE LYNCH TODAY



@Nisani201
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:
Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you.

Your only argument against DCLXVI is : He has an independant stance. I show that he is likely blue. Please make use of your logic and reason and unvote him.

@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?


Why on earth would you post your blue reads in the thread?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 23 2011 20:42 GMT
#1918
What exactly pressured you to claim right then? to save nisani?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 23 2011 20:54 GMT
#1923
On November 24 2011 05:51 Coagulation wrote:
##vote: Cyber_Cheese
##vote: DCLXVI
##vote: Forumite
##vote: GreYMisT
##vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
##vote: Kibibit
##vote: Lanaia
##vote: Lemonwalrus
##vote: Nisani201
##vote: Palmar
##vote: Sabin010
##vote: Tyrran
##vote: Zephirdd
##vote: bumatlarge
##vote: MrZentor
##vote: hyshes
##vote: wherebugsgo
##vote: xsksc


Kill em all, let god sort em out?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 24 2011 17:03 GMT
#1991
On November 25 2011 01:52 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving! Probably won't post until tomorrow morning.

Unfortunatly this for me as well.

Some breif thoughts about the game state as it curently is though.

I think our main focus for the rest of the day needs to be on if we want mr zentor dead or not. ever since he took over for chaoser I know I have been having a hard time deciding where to go. But recently I have noticed that a number of questions have been asked of him (chaoser's town claim, his thoughts) And he has either ignored them, or givin very vauge answers. His votes have also been very brief, and have the air of someone that wants to lay low. In addition to the case on chaoser, this is enough for me to vote for him

##Vote: MrZentor

again, ill try to keep up with the thread the best that i can today.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 24 2011 23:00 GMT
#2035
On November 25 2011 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Alright, I'm going to go ahead and say I think Forumite is scum now.

He was completely fine with bandwagoning townies on day 1 and day 2. What he posts has never made sense at all this game. Now, he's shying away from the popular lynch targets and he's attacking Palmar for again, really stupid reasons. Actually, I can't find his reasons other than "I dislike insulting morons."

He finds that Coag, Zentor, and Zephirdd are popular lynch targets, so he's afraid of pushing them. If you find this logic tenable, Forumite, why the fuck didn't you use it on day 1 and day 2?

No one lynched for mistakes and behavior. The day 1 and day 2 lynches were based on the fact that you're all incredibly retarded. That's all there was to it. Now you try and say that behavioral analysis doesn't work?

The sad fact is that if he actually thinks what he has been doing is behavioral analysis, he might actually be a townie who straight up believes this is true. I wouldn't put it past Forumite to be that dumb, since he's proved it in the past.

##vote Forumite


I don't get the feeling that forumite is scum WBG, he seems to have been pretty honest in his analysis of the previous targets he has gone after. I think we should stick with just lynching mrZentor and see what goes from there
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 00:09 GMT
#2061
the reason behind night kills should not be discussed, too easy for scum to use WIFOM to do that.
My god, what if palmar is still alive becasue he's scum! but what if mafia wanted us to think that?! but what if they knew we would think that they thought that.....

see?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 00:28 GMT
#2065
On November 25 2011 09:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
damn it greymist burying my post with your top of the page headlining abilities


Its the greymist curse, my posts almost always appear at the tops of pages
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United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 00:30 GMT
#2067
On November 25 2011 09:26 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 09:16 xsksc wrote:
On November 25 2011 09:09 GreYMisT wrote:
the reason behind night kills should not be discussed, too easy for scum to use WIFOM to do that.
My god, what if palmar is still alive becasue he's scum! but what if mafia wanted us to think that?! but what if they knew we would think that they thought that.....

see?


BUT WHAT IF THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW?!

....You know?


I don´t know

Okay, I guess we´re fed up about WIFOM. What do we do now?


I think we should all decide wether or not we want to lynch MrZentor. IMO its the best way to move forward in our current state. chaoser getting replaced left us in a serious situation, and we have been putting this off for a while. his flip should hopefully give us enough info to go on with the next day.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 00:49 GMT
#2070
On November 25 2011 09:29 Nisani201 wrote:
Can we speed up the nightpost if we get a unanimous agreement to do so?


why would we want to do this? only scum don't want more discussion.
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 14:59 GMT
#2152
I'm going to be busy for a while, but I'm finally caught up.
I am a Vanilla Townie. I did nothing night 1, And cried in a corner night 2.
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United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 21:51 GMT
#2191
As I said before, on top of actually thinking he is scum, seeing him flip will give us the most information of how to move forward.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 25 2011 22:40 GMT
#2212
I think with 3 lynche I'm comfortable being done for today. I'd prefer to see these flips before we do anything else.
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
November 26 2011 00:45 GMT
#2222
I think zeph posted a list of all the claims a few pages back.
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
November 26 2011 00:51 GMT
#2223
Here is the post


On November 26 2011 05:08 Zephirdd wrote:


Better list, now with RoL alignment confirmed by Palmar.
Show nested quote +
Players Alive:
Coagulation - unclaimed
Cyber_Cheese - Town Obsessive Tracker
DCLXVI - soft claimed doctor
Forumite - Vanilla
GreYMisT - Vanilla
RebirthOfLeGenD - Town Alignment
Kibibit - will be modkilled, unclaimed
Lanaia - Town Elder(Double Voter/Double Anti-Voter)
Lemonwalrus - Town Rolecop(gets roles, not alignment)
Nisani201 - townie
Palmar - Town Records Cop(can only check people he voted on; doesn't checks roles)
Sabin010 - unclaimed?
Tyrran - Vanilla
Zephirdd - Town Restraining Doctor(protect+roleblock)
bumatlarge - unclaimed
MrZentor - unclaimed?
hyshes - Town Mason
wherebugsgo - Vanilla
xsksc - Town Doctor(Protects as many targets as the day had lynches)

The Dead:
Kenpachi, the Town Newbie Watchful Doc, lynched Day 1
sinani206, the Town Roleblocker, lynched Day 1
LSB, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 1
prplhz, the Town Corpse Jack, lynched Day 2
HarbingerOfDoom, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 2
risk.nuke, the [green]Town Vanilla[green], killed Night 2
Drazerk, the Town Frail Mason, killed Night 2

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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 26 2011 01:45 GMT
#2237
They both need 3 more votes each if im correct, So we concievibly could, but im going to reiterate what i said eariler. i would rather wait and see the zentor flip before going lynch crazy.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 26 2011 01:49 GMT
#2239
oh wow thats even closer than i expected. What about you forumite, do you want to lynch them both tonight?
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