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Once again, let's establish something. I've been flip-flopping on Drazerk's alignment. This is not a scumtell. In fact I would like to point out that Scum already know everyone's alignment, so it's an unnecessary act for scum to try and do something like this.
@DCLXVI: I wanted to lynch chaoser, but after re-reading Drazerk's posts I decided that his cocky and arrogant attitude was probably not scum, and lynching him would be a worthless affair. Notice that I do have preference on how to get rid of targets, and Drazerk isn't a terrible vigilante shot, because he has refused to contribute.
I'd actually prefer a lynch being between myself and chaoser, or something in that direction, than one being between sinani206 and Drazerk, because neither suspect will actually provide anything worth reading to the game.
I mean, it's obvious after this night that half of town really isn't reading the thread with the critical mindset I would be hoping they are. But assuming no one does anything stupid, this can be remedied tomorrow.
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It's getting really hard staying polite this game.
@DCLXVI: I don't even know what you'e talking about. I never claimed I was going to write an analysis on Drazerk, I even think I specifically stated that I didn't have the time to do so.
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Neither are you wherebugsgo:
I'll help you guys, if you actually read the thread, instead of just clicking filter and pull shit out of context, here's the post in question:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12308262
It is written as a reply to Drazerk's post, 2 posts up:
On November 17 2011 07:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 07:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't think Kenpachi will be missed anyway, he's completely useless as either side. While you are here Palmar you still haven't answered this Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 06:51 hyshes wrote:On November 16 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote:
okay, prplhz, tyrran and chaoser I'll do. any reason why you didn't do tyrran?
to which I reply:
On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now
Talk about trying to fabricate cases, if you're gonna accuse someone of something, at least have the decency to read his posts.
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So the post that says "I forgot Drazerk, will do no"
Is about me telling Drazerk I forgot to do the case on tyrran (which I then forgot again and only delivered a bit later).
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On November 19 2011 08:20 chaoser wrote:
lol, quote mining...sure. Anyone reading the filter, especially with ctrl+f "Drazerk" would see it as him saying "I forgot drazerk('s case), will do" as he's going to do a case analyse on drazerk.
What's more interesting is that you decided you had to defend his non-existent analysis by forcing his posts to look like they were analysis to try to dispute the idea that he didn't do any analysis. I wonder what that says?
Why are you reading the filter when you need to be reading the thread and applying context in order to legitimately find scum? The filter is fine, but whenever you find something you have to read the context the quote is said in.
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I'm reading the thread, why aren't you.
My stance on Drazerk now is that he is and will remain very hard to read due to his refusal to contribute to the thread. This however strikes me as something it's more likely he'd do as town, but I do think he's very much capable of being an asshole as scum too.
If we have something like a compulsive vigilante, he'd be a fair shot, but barring that I think we should ignore him for now.
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More than anything, I think that latest answer justifies my stance.
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On November 19 2011 08:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote:On November 19 2011 08:20 chaoser wrote:
lol, quote mining...sure. Anyone reading the filter, especially with ctrl+f "Drazerk" would see it as him saying "I forgot drazerk('s case), will do" as he's going to do a case analyse on drazerk.
What's more interesting is that you decided you had to defend his non-existent analysis by forcing his posts to look like they were analysis to try to dispute the idea that he didn't do any analysis. I wonder what that says? Why are you reading the filter when you need to be reading the thread and applying context in order to legitimately find scum? The filter is fine, but whenever you find something you have to read the context the quote is said in. Cause the thread is 66 pages long and it's not even day 2 yet? And the post by itself didn't need anymore context when read in the context of his posts against Drazerk. First he was for lynching Drazerk, and then not, and then he wanted to shoot him, and now I don't even know what his stance is. What the fucking point of having a schizophrenia stance on someone? It's the same as having no stance except in this one you look like you're doing something. Lesson of the day, use proper grammar, it'll help you in life as well as TL Mafia!
Lesson of the day, actually read the thread instead of pulling stuff out of context to fit your pre-decided conclusion.
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No one sees you as a threat except town Nisani, no matter what side you're on, the way you're playing is increasing mafia's chance of winning., but I would simply advice vigs to hold their shots for now, nevertheless.
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For the record, directing blues and posting town reads is not bad town play.
If you only post scum reads, you're by extension saying everyone else must be town, all I do by adding my town reads is explaining the thought process behind it for extra transparency.
And directing blues seems to be working out okay, it seems we have at least one competent medic. ♥
I'm not sure what this makes you cheese, I mean, you do ridiculous shit when you're scum, but I remember your town play from cosmic horror mafia, which makes me think that using terrible logic may not be a scumtell for you.
@Lanaia, I'm not going to stop referencing old games, that would be ridiculous. Removing a tool that can be used for scumhunting because you're too lazy to go back and read those games is not an option.
You have three ways of handling us using meta:
a) Be a good townie, and inform yourself.
b) Ask for specifics, which most of us will be happy to provide though a quick summary of the situation being referenced.
c) Ignore it, but give your play so far, I think you owe town at least trying.
As for the lynch today, Bumatlarge's post is really weird. He could have posted that at any point during the night but chose to do it right before/after the night post. Notice that he's taking a pro-stance both towards myself and LSB, who should have died that night (♥). However, it would be premature to try to lynch Bumatlarge based on his. There is a possibility he may be the mafia godfather, but at the moment I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and move on. Now that he has taken a stance with townies, I think he cannot be much of a distraction.
Thus, I suggest we take a good look DCLXVI and chaoser. I will post reasons for both later today.
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On November 19 2011 20:00 Tyrran wrote:
Whoa, so much happened over nigth. Sorry guys i didn't post during nigth, got home drunk last nigth. Will catch up now!.
Also just because this is my first game, and I want to be sure i understood correctly, Palmar saying he got hit basically means that he claimed BulletProof rigth ?
Nope, I must have been medic protected.
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I've been really busy, and I won't have much time, what time I have will be spent re-visiting my chaoser case, looking in-depth at DCXLVI or whatever order those letters are in, and possibly check out lemonwalrus. I'm on the fence on prplhz as I had a town read on him initially in the game, but I haven't re-read his efforts since day 1.
I'm inclined to believe the mason claim, because they're essentially tied up now, all it takes is a rogue cop or vigilante to flip/check one of them and their cute little adventure is over.
This is good because they were two people who were giving us a really hard time reading them. I still stand by my day 1 read of chaoser. I think my views in that battle do not need to be clarified further, I've said almost everything that needs saying about him.
##vote Chaoser
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I had an initial town read on prplhz, I'm sorry but I don't have time to expand upon that, so I'm just gonna go ahead and not support a lynch on him.
I'm really sorry for my performance today, real life is just taking time away from me.
here are my scumreads:
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: chaoser
##Vote: Lemonwalrus
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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On November 21 2011 06:48 chaoser wrote:
It's really weird getting taken care of by the nurses that were just yesterday asking you to collect stool samples..
How cool is it that I'm wishing you dead in-game and wishing you well irl.
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wait, we still have 24 hours?
that's awesome, means I can actually contribute today.
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you might as well not bother nisani.
a) you're wrong.
b) I won't be lynched
c) even in that case, there's somewhere out there a medic who can claim to save me.
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On November 21 2011 08:37 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 06:05 Palmar wrote:
I had an initial town read on prplhz, I'm sorry but I don't have time to expand upon that, so I'm just gonna go ahead and not support a lynch on him.
I'm really sorry for my performance today, real life is just taking time away from me.
here are my scumreads:
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: chaoser
##Vote: Lemonwalrus
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD You´ve said for two days that you don´t have time to reread prplhz. Make up your mind on him and state your opinion in the thread, because I´m getting tired of waiting for you.
shut up.
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