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Chaoser: why did you throw those votes around so liberally early on? Please explain your thought process and what you wanted to achieve. If I believe your answer I'll consider laying off you. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:14 chaoser wrote: I already did? Go read my exchange with WBG. Pressure on you from people and all of a sudden you're willing to back off when before you were deadset on it? I'm rolefishing you. Thing is, I think you happen to have one of those roles mentioned by Zona that are somehow connected with how votes are casted, I think that would actually explain your liberal voting early on. This is the reason I believe you're lying about being vanilla townie, but since you claimed that and stand by it, it's making me believe you're scum. Because you're not bad at mafia, you know that senseless throwing votes around is generally not a good strategy, you are probably fully aware of this. This is why I wanted so badly for you to explain your rash voting pattern this game. Like, I'm trying in my mind to put together your play and just a random vanilla town. And I'm sorry to say I can't actually find any reasonable explanation to your early voting that stems from just you reading the thread with a townie mindset. | ||
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It just doesn't make sense as green. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:28 chaoser wrote: ##vote palmar Thanks yo In all seriousness though, I really do think hiroruby is the best lynch for today. hiroruby palmer/cyber_cheese forumite is the order of my suspicions At least I feel better about lynching you now, because a townie chaoser would after my in-depth explanation of the thought process that goes into voting you realize that I'm not maliciously being wrong, and look for other suspects while carefully explaining why I am wrong. Anyway, if you honestly think this I don't know what to say. | ||
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On November 17 2011 13:37 bumatlarge wrote: Coag only posted twice, but I do recall him lurking in the beginning last time I played with him. I forget if he was a scum that game. I'd be more afraid of active scum Coag, then lurking scum coag, as vets who lurk have no presence in a game with a lot of fresh faces. I would say it would be different the other way around if this was a few months ago. That's probably the most scummy logic I've seen this game. | ||
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On November 17 2011 19:34 Forumite wrote: Palmar, Cyber_Cheese, ignoring Kenpachi, Chaoser and Lanaia for a moment, where´s your strongest Scumread? If you two could pick anyone else to lynch, and lynch now, who would it be? Following that latest post of Bumatlarge's, I'd probably lynch him. Wherebugsgo asked me about Bum earlier, to which I responded him being a null read, but that is such a bad post, I see no motivation for town to post in such a manner. I do not agree with most of your reads at the moment, but you seem genuine enough in your accusations that I also don't think you need to be looked at specifically at the moment. | ||
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It's obviously harder for me to understand players I have never played with before, but he seems to be a poker player which is usually a good thing in TL Mafia (Mig is an excellent example of a poker player who is also great at mafia). And he has been making several correct calls throughout the game. He's calling people out on bullshit, notably both Bumatlarge and sabin010. He doesn't have a lot of posts, but those he does have are valuable and seem genuine and well thought out. Even if I want to kill Lanaia for bad play, and he doesn't agree, rather killing only Kenpachi, I can understand his logic behind it, and it's not scummy in any way. I have a pretty strong town read on Tyrren at the moment, assuming he is fairly new to mafia because I haven't played with him before, I have a hard time any scum could be playing this ridiculously well, so the simplest solution is that Tyrren is being smart and genuine. I like that guy, I actually want to hear more from him, but yes, I feel confident he's town. | ||
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Palmar's Notebook - Day 1
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On November 17 2011 19:55 Tyrran wrote: Ouch, Palmar post that he likes me, and i destroy him with my very next post. Sorry for that ^^'. I still stand by my analysis tho. You actually made me reconsider the stance on Lanaia. I just posted a huge post to see you attacking me  | ||
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##Unvote Lanaia | ||
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Chaoser is the only person up for a lynch that's being lynched for actually being scummy and having an analysis against him. More than anyone else he should be lynched today. We gain nothing from the Kenpachi lynch regarding the people pushing him because it was just a silly mistake by Lanaia that incriminated him, and it's not like he was oozing town before that thing. We should be voting to lynch at least one person based on analysis, and that person should be chaoser. | ||
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On November 17 2011 23:19 Zephirdd wrote: Not that much related, it's just that Kenpachi defended chaoser and chaoser defended Kenpachi to death; Kenpachi's flip has more to do with Lanaia tbh. Again, I'll back off for now; given enough votes and arguments, however, I'm willing to lynch someone else IF I consider it to be the right choice(aka. people convince me). What is lacking in my case against chaoser for you to be convinced? Do you think he was trying to play optimally for town when he started spamming and voting people randomly? Do you think he is not aware that it is bad play? Read my notes on chaoser up this page. What is it that makes you believe that these accusations are not valid? | ||
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On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote: Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk? While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. | ||
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On November 17 2011 23:39 Zephirdd wrote: That's a good point. Why would you setup a blue claim when you can just shut up(in the words of Palmar), unless you want to deceive people with the blue claim? I'm still... I don't know, it feels something is off. I'll place my votes by the end of the day, should there be any. I really don't want to rush it nor influence people to vote someone because everyone is voting on him(as occurred with Kenpachi). One thing that is biting me tho. Why do you want another lynch so much, Palmar? Also, random timestamp so I know the end of the day time locally. Friday, Nov 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Influencing people is the way to play this game. I mean, I'd love if I could just vote mafia and they die, that'd be grand. But that's not how mafia works, so I try my best to influence the rest of town. You want to do this as soon as you can in order to get your message across. Remember, Europeans will probably be sleeping around lynch, so you need to establish your stance early enough for people to adjust to your reads. I want another lynch because if we settle for only a kenpachi lynch we enter night 1 and thus day 2 without having achieved anything. The Kenpachi lynch was a combination of his terrible day 1 play and a really bad move by lanaia, but it didn't get discussed enough for it to actually provide us with information. If we can settle on lynching someone through analysis, we will get a ton of discussion, which can be reviewed later in the game. I guess this is just accidental implementation of the lurker lynch idea. We lynch 1 lurker (Kenpachi) and one actual lynch candidate. I don't want to settle for only one lynch because what would that achieve? We will be having the same conversations tomorrow as we have today. | ||
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On November 18 2011 00:04 chaoser wrote: Yo palmer, why did you think kenpachi was a better lynch for a lurker lynch over sinani? Do you think sinani would be better to bring into day two than kenpachi was given the fact that kenpachi 1) Wasn't lurking anymore 2) A complex situation arose for him and not enough time was given to discuss it before he was hammered Also, what are you thoughts on hiroruby, who has voted twice, pushed none of them, made wishy-washy statements about how to implement LAL policy and has since disappeared? As you may have noticed my vote wasn't on Kenpachi until the Kenpachi/Lanaia situation, after which I wanted to lynch them both until risk.nuke/Tyrren convinced me otherwise. I frankly haven't paid any attention to the idea of a lurker lynch, I know that it came up, but I felt it didn't concern me much, at least not at this point in the game. I haven't read hiroruby's filter, Tyrren seems to think he's scum, I might have to go back and read him. I still don't think you have provided a satisfactory explanation to your early game shenanigans, so I think we should lynch you. | ||
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On November 18 2011 00:12 chaoser wrote: Not to mention, given the fact that, even though you say I'm somehow causing a ruckus in the thread, it's not actually a mess where everyone is accusing everything. The focus is clearly on me and the people who are pushing the lynch on me. So how is that a mess again? I've seen messy towns and this ain't one of them. You keep falling back to the idea that I somehow lied and that I'm making a mess in the thread or that "chaoser would never post like this". How can that even be a logical statement given the fact that you're not me and thus have no idea what I would or would not post? You've either fallen so far down the tunnel that you're blinded to the situation around you or you're pushing a lynch you know is shitty with bad logic. It's not bad logic. What's bad logic is the fact that you actually think your early posts are justifiable. I'm not complaining about the thread being mess, you're putting words in my mouth. I actually think the thread is relatively productive. I have no problem with people voting for multiple targets, notice that I myself have voted for several different people. It's the manner in which the votes are presented that irks me. You are someone I believe to be good at mafia, and I also believe you understand how to play as town, probably better than most people in this game. So are you surprised that when you do something we both know is not good play, that I feel something is up? And yes, my train of thought regarding you being guilty is pretty clear. I do not believe that you think the appropriate way to start playing as vanilla town in a game like this is to throw votes randomly without applying any kind of pressure with those votes. Obviously I am not you, and obviously I am tunneled in on you. And I will remain so until I have a satisfactory explanation of your early game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + It's "then" in this case Funny how sometimes it's better to not be a native speaker, because once translated then makes sense, but not than. | ||
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Can't we give ourselves one more chance Why can't we give love that one more chance Why can't we give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love 'Cause love's such an old fashioned word And love dares you to care for The people on the edge of the night And loves dares you to change our way of Caring about ourselves This is our last dance This is our last dance This is ourselves Under pressure ##Vote Bumatlarge ##Vote Nisani201 ##Vote chaoser ##Vote Lemonwalrus ##Unvote Drazerk ##Unvote Coagulation | ||
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