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On November 19 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 05:55 Nisani201 wrote:
Why are you calling for a vig shot on me when you just said in your last post that it's better to get lynched so we can get discussion? I read this post and laughed. I'll respond to it, I guess. No one cares if you get lynched. You're also mountains of useless as town, so honestly if we try pushing your lynch and you don't contribute to finding scum then we still don't know your alignment. Chaoser is the opposite. People will care if we start pushing his lynch, and as town he is useful. Thus, if he actually is town he will hopefully contribute to us finding scum. If chaoser is scum we'll get good reactions out of other scum too. If you're scum, you're easy as hell to bus. If I were scum, for example, I'd bus the fuck out of you as soon as you had suspicion. You're more of a liability to your team than a benefit. That makes you a better vig target than a lynch target, since the discussion created in your wake will be completely useless.
So you're saying I should be vigged instead of a lurker?
loooool
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On November 19 2011 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
A player like Nisani or Drazerk is best left to a vig shot because they will not contribute much if they are town and we try to lynch them.
Why do you keep saying this?
Stop dictatin what contributions I will make in the thread. You keep saying that I will be useless D2, but I know exactly what I am going to do. I'm going to push for your lynch, as well as Drazerk's.
You know this is coming, whci his why, right now, you're trying to nullify everything I say by putting it under the label of "useless." That way, when Drazerk is lynched, you can take the credit.
You don't want a vig to shoot me because I'll be useless. You want a vig to shoot me so you can bus Drazerk all by yourself. You're scared because you see me as a threat.
If there are any vigs here, think before you shoot.
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AHAHAHAHAHA SO FUNNY AMIRITE
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Drzaerk is really a crack up. He just admitted that he's useless.
But don't worry WBG/Palmar, you're pretty funny too.
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: Drazerk
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Oh, and forgot prplhz, for soft defending Sinani in the interest of getting him lynched.
##Vote: prplhz
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This is fun.
##Unvote: Drazerk
At least now I can focus on more important people, like WBG and Palmar. However I think I focus on Palmar today.
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Palmar is an interesting case. Though many of you have a reason to trust him, we have to realize that part of the reason that he is trusted is because he is Palmar. The other reason is this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2011 21:49 Palmar wrote:Actually, I just read Chaoser's filter ##Unvote: Coagulation
##Vote: chaoserSo here's my reasoning chaoser needs to be lynched. First off, we should establish that chaoser is both analytical and critical as town. His play this game starkly contrasts that idea. He is throwing accusations and votes both left and right without actually doing much to back them up. Now, this leads us to think what would make chaoser throw his votes around like this. The only sensible reason to do that as town is to apply pressure, but when you are the one being pressured it's actually not beneficial to do this, because no one is going to listen to you anyway. The optimal town play in this situation is to try as hard as you can to build reputation for people to listen to you for. However, chaoser seems not even slightly interested in raising his status in the game, feeling pretty comfortable being not listened to at all. Something only scum is interested in. Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 09:15 chaoser wrote:On November 16 2011 09:07 sinani206 wrote:On November 16 2011 09:06 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 09:03 sinani206 wrote:
wtf
##Vote: chaoser Your not going to lurk the first day, come out of no where and then vote chaoser without reason. FoS sinani206 His posts this game are nothing like what I've seem out of him before and even if I hadn't played with him before, the posts are straight up scummy. 1) Deal with my posts being different. This use of "your posts are different" meta is so stupid I'd gladly post completely differently every single game to kill it. Can't tell if you're mafia or stupid >_> Also while the manner in which I post is different, the reasoning behind my posts isn't, (XXXIX) 2) How are my posts "straight up scummy?" ##Vote: Sinani206I'm so happy I get to vote multiple people This one is particularly interesting. First off, we have to understand how sinani206 works to see if this is legit. Remember, sinani206 hasn't got the greatest track record as town or scum, but he does have his tells like everyone else. This little vote he placed on chaoser seems to be pretty genuine. Like he's not pro enough as scum to realize that doing something like that with his meta as scum is excellent play, and thus the simplest explanation is that sinani206 is town. chaoser should have understood this, yet he directly OMGUS votes sinani206, even gloating about the fact he's voting multiple people. So yes, I think chaoser would be an excellent lynch today. Also, just for future reference: Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 22:23 chaoser wrote:On November 15 2011 13:29 Kenpachi wrote:
real long day ok.
hi i am Kenpachi and i am a Townie
welcome to TL mafia to those who are just starting and i hope you have a good time here.
We are the 99% I am also green townie <3 LAL is stupid This is chaoser soft-claiming a power-role. No reason to do it unless you're scum. If you can't understand how he's soft-claiming a power role, well... you deserve to be punched. So yeah, let's kill that guy.
This is his initial analysis on Chaoser. There are 3 points in this analysis:
1. chaoser is voting a lot of people.
2. chaoser is OMGUSing sinani206
3. chaoser is "softclaiming a power role."
The first point is incorrect because this game has a mechanic that is special for voting multiple people.
The second point is wrong because chaoser's vote on Sinani206 is not OMGUS
The third point doesn't even make sense.
This bullshit analysis is the origin of our trust for Palmar. And it has branched into a case against chaoser that makes absolutely no sense. wherebugsgo's analysis on Chaoser is identical to Palmar's, but that is for another time.
Later in the day he votes for both Kenpachi and Lanaia, both for stupid reasons. Even though he said that chaoser should condense his targets, we have Palmar targeting a total of 3 people.
Going for multiple targets isn't scummy. But what is scummy is self-contradiction.
Speaking of which...
On November 17 2011 08:19 Palmar wrote:
How is that relevant chaoser, I don't want to lynch you because you're outspoken, I want to lynch you because you're playing anti-town, you lied about your role-claim and you're making bad calls.
I think I am being fairly outspoken, I'm just playing pro-town, and thus no one wants to lynch me.
Palmar is now accusing chaoser of playing "anti-town," and for lying. First of all, we have no evidence that chaoser is lying (other than "you are not vanilla town, that is not a possibility"). and second of all, Palmar provided no evidence of "anti-town."
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
On November 17 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
I'm gonna sleep.
Chaoser: why did you throw those votes around so liberally early on? Please explain your thought process and what you wanted to achieve. If I believe your answer I'll consider laying off you.
Palmar is now implying that chaoser's multi-vote was actually a pretty important factor in the case, and that he'll dismiss it if chaoser can justify it.
Another contradiction:
On November 17 2011 10:23 Palmar wrote:
(when you voted for sinani206 you said something like "I'm so happy I get to vote for many people), makes me believe that there is an ulterior motive to it.
On November 16 2011 23:54 Palmar wrote:
oh wait... I can vote for multiple people?
That's awesome
##Vote Coagulation
##Vote Drazerk
While these contradictions are scummy, we have to go back to the point of Palmar manipulating us and stealing our trust.
Now you might say, "is he really stealing our trust? Surely you're taking this too far."
But this fact is evident in this post, where he directs blues:
+ Show Spoiler +
As for townies, any medics should be protecting into this group of players:
Forumite
Tyrren
risk.nuke
Palmar
Wherebugsgo
If we have investigative roles, we should be checking into this group of players
chaoser
Lemonwalrus
Greymist
Bumatlarge
Zephirdd
If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc
etc
etc
Yes, i'm directing blues, what about it bitches?
There is no reason for town to direct blues. Blues should direct themselves, because they are confirmed town to themselves and can make their own opinions. If we give someone else this kind of control, it transfers it to unknown alignment. In this case, that alignment is scum.
...and then there's this. I stated this before, he wants to nullify my thoughts against him because he knows it's coming:
On November 18 2011 23:56 Palmar wrote:
yah, do you have a problem with that?
Like, I'm almost just as certain that nisani201 is scum, and I don't care if some hero of the town shoots him and leaves him dead in a ditch, he's not going to be useful anyway. Even if he's town nothing of value was lost.
I will conclude my analysis with a scumlist that Palmar provides. Currently it provides no reasoning; however I wouldn't be surprised if he follows it up later today.
On November 21 2011 06:05 Palmar wrote:
I had an initial town read on prplhz, I'm sorry but I don't have time to expand upon that, so I'm just gonna go ahead and not support a lynch on him.
I'm really sorry for my performance today, real life is just taking time away from me.
here are my scumreads:
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: chaoser
##Vote: Lemonwalrus
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
Stop being manipulated. Get out of your box. Realize that Palmar is scum, and vote for him.
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On November 21 2011 09:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Greymist the simple fact that you have to ask that of Nisani should probably tell you that he needs to die.
He's not interested in being transparent or following through on what he says. He contradicts himself constantly. He's scum.
LOL YA HE'S TOTALLY USELESS BECUZ HE'S ATTACKING MY SCUMBUDDY! OLOLOLOLOLOLOL LET'S IGNORE HIM.
Anyways, yes I admit that I shouldn't have said I would go for WBG, since I'm going for Palmar today. tbh it doesn't really matter because they're both scumbuddies, and share the exact same opinions.
The entire purpose of the scumteam is to brainwash you into thinking that I'm useless. There's no other reason for them to keep reminding you of that in the thread, other than following a scum agenda.
Read the analysis I made on Palmar, one more time.
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On November 21 2011 19:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I was on the fence about this one. I still don't feel sure about voting him, and I feel like there are better options for today. ##Unvote: PrplhzI feel like Nisani is much in the same boat as him, with the difference that Prplhz seems to be able to express some form of transparency for things he does. Nisani has shown he is capable of making good posts + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=75#1495 And yet most of his posts are one liners, and votes with minimal explaination, he seems to be deliberately holding information back from the town ##Vote: Nisani
What the fuck? Did you read my analysis on Palmar? You're just eating the bullshit that WBG and Palmar put out that you don't even read my posts because you just think I'm useless.
I'm not going to pressure WBG today because I'm considering the possibility that he's been misguided by Palmar, much like how jcarl and I misguided him in XLV. However he is not off the hook.
Everyone else should be focusing on killing him. He is evil scum and deserves to die.
##Unvote: wherebugsgo
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EPWOP: the "him" in the last statement should be Palmar.
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On November 22 2011 03:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:18 DCLXVI wrote:
I do not think you are mafia prplhz. Though I do think Palmar wants to see you flip town so he looks better.
##Vote Palmar
##Vote Nisani201
I would like to see both die tonight, but i highly doubt palmar will get lynched. I don't believe his claim of being protected, nor do I like the way he argues. His argument on chaoser was forced imo, and he tries too hard to lead the town.
I would write about nisani, but it would just be parroting wbg. Go read wbg's case on him, I agree with most of what he says in regards to nisani except the defending chaoser bit. Does anyone notice how absurd these choices of votes are. Now unless you buy into some ridiculous theory we're a scum team and Nisani201 is attempting to bus me, your votes make absolutely no sense. You KNOW that in these two votes you're getting at least 1 townie lynched, and if I'm correct about Nisani201 being innocent you're going after 2 townies. I guess it's hard to see those things when you're not reading the thread. I find this post incredibly scummy.
Hey look, we can agree on something.
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omg, it's working. You guys are all sheep for voting on me.
Palmar has not even attempted to defend himself, and you are still trusting him.
Why are you trusting a case made by obvious scum? Palmar is the enemy here. All of you should be lynching him. If you don't think he's scummy, read my analysis again.
WBG is just being his usual tunneling self, and I am starting to lean more towards him being scum than him being stupid town.
I don't think I'm going to get lynched today, but we have to realize that the true enemy is Palmar. He is the king of misguiding the town this game.
From now on, I want you to read everything he says objectively. Don't mindlessly trust him like you have been so far. WBG is sort of the same thing (except he's merely a parrot).
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On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Also WBG, do you really still think palmar is town? DCL is claiming to be a 2nd medic (which is lol, either he or palmar has to be scum just off that, people should AT LEAST be voting one or the other), so unless palmar has some claim up his sleeve, DCL being town is very damning.
I am inclined to believe this. His vote on both me and Palmar shows that he has an indifferent perspective on our conflicts. And as we all know, and indifferent perspective is a scum perspective.
##Vote: DCLXVI
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Yes, minions, come to Master Palmar. Obviously he is right in everything he says and does.
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oh and btw there was a role in PTP2 where someone unlocked a special power if they got enough people to fistpound in the thread (though I forgot what it was). So just be wary, don't mindlessly fistpound him.
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I'd like to draw attention to RebirthOfLeGenD, who has a small collection of a contentless posts. He has barely been contributing to town. We should be lynching lurkers and RebirthOfLeGenD is doing just that. Hiroruby has been doing the exact same thing, which makes me think that it's a scum agenda to have a lurker like this.
His baseless vote on Palmar is a way of separating the scummy lurker from the outspoken townie.
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Oh, and votes.
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
##Vote: DCLXVI
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Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you.
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RoL has done nothing for town. The fact that you're soft defending him makes me more suspicious of you.
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On November 23 2011 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
RoL is very likely to be town because I thought Hiroruby was town. You're not. Please die.
There exists a case on you, I've reiterated it at least 3 times. Dumb townies are dumb. They don't listen. You die now. ooohhh thahnk yuuuu come agin
No you haven't. This is the case against me (there is also this post, but that is just a quote of my previous link, and a bunch of false statements with no evidence). The rest of your posts are just random statements that mean nothing. "Nisani is scum," "Nisani deserves to die," and so on. People are believing you because you're repeating it so much; I have done nothing scummy this entire game.
As such, when you say something like this:
On November 23 2011 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's setting me off about DCL is that nisani is voting him...
it really proves that you are avoiding all avenues of logic to simply think that I'm scum. That is scummy in and of itself. Thus my vote.
##Vote: wherebugsgo
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