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I can't shake it. Palmar getting hit and protected yesterday is stupid as shit. I guarentee no medic protected him, and I would be baffled if mafia actually shot him. I can't reason that out without it being a scummy lie. I was willing to break away from the palmar/chaoser gig for a day and deal with prplhz and such, but this needs to be dealt with.
Palmar was in no position to get shot. He was direct with his opinions, but a majority of people I see as town were extremely suspicious of him. I feel like I would get the same train of thought coming from chaoser claiming a hit. It was a main topic of discussion for the later half of the first night and the ENTIRE night. Palmar saying he took a hit means his whole deal with chaoser meant something to mafia. Palmar flipping town from a scum hit makes chaoser look a lot better rather then buying another lynch for them.
1 - Either Palmar is scum and this is a play of desperation, which seems to be working.
2 - Or mafia has a really poor team.
I will not be assuming case #2. I need palmar to explain exactly why he thinks he was shot along side LSB (whose last analysis assessed palmar as scum). There is no WIFOM here, the night hits as people seem to accept them make no sense. If it was Palmar and WBG? There is reason behind that, it puts a lot of heat on chaoser and LSB, and if mafia can utilize that in their discussion for an entire day, regardless of what ends up happening. It would seem more logical that LSB was stacked with two hits (I'm doubting 1kp when we already had a super Doc flip).
##Vote: Palmar
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look at all you worthless people, "I wouldn't mind lynching so and so" as if that shit means anything more then blatantly telling everyone you have no intention of getting things done as town. Vote goddammit if you have any balls whatsoever.
##Vote: Coagulation
Get lynched please. I think you've fully established how little you plan on doing this game. It doesn't make any sense if you're town.
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##Vote: DCLXVI
You dig graves fairly well. I think you better start talking Mr. 2nd medic.
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The second he stopped posting like sinani I thought he was town. I'll give a verdict before the votes are done. He needs 5 more?
Also WBG, do you really still think palmar is town? DCL is claiming to be a 2nd medic (which is lol, either he or palmar has to be scum just off that, people should AT LEAST be voting one or the other), so unless palmar has some claim up his sleeve, DCL being town is very damning.
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On November 22 2011 10:35 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
The second he stopped posting like sinani I thought he was town. I'll give a verdict before the votes are done. He needs 5 more? No, give your verdict now, not 2 minutes before the lynch. I don´t want a repeat of the prplhz situation yesterday.
You put your vote on DCL or Palmar, and I'll put my vote on nisani, because I'm sure his alignment could help, but as of right now he's one of the few people in the thread who realizes the important vote is DCL vs palmar.
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On November 22 2011 10:39 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 10:35 Nisani201 wrote:On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Also WBG, do you really still think palmar is town? DCL is claiming to be a 2nd medic (which is lol, either he or palmar has to be scum just off that, people should AT LEAST be voting one or the other), so unless palmar has some claim up his sleeve, DCL being town is very damning. I am inclined to believe this. His vote on both me and Palmar shows that he has an indifferent perspective on our conflicts. And as we all know, and indifferent perspective is a scum perspective. ##Vote: DCLXVI The more you try to separate yourself from Palmar like this the more inclined I am to believe that you are both scum. I am not indifferent to your 'conflict', it is part of why I am voting for both of you.
You, Mr medic, please claim before night ends bro. Or at least just say there is another part to it so that you can force a shot or something.
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On November 22 2011 10:47 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 10:45 bumatlarge wrote:On November 22 2011 10:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 22 2011 10:35 Nisani201 wrote:On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Also WBG, do you really still think palmar is town? DCL is claiming to be a 2nd medic (which is lol, either he or palmar has to be scum just off that, people should AT LEAST be voting one or the other), so unless palmar has some claim up his sleeve, DCL being town is very damning. I am inclined to believe this. His vote on both me and Palmar shows that he has an indifferent perspective on our conflicts. And as we all know, and indifferent perspective is a scum perspective. ##Vote: DCLXVI The more you try to separate yourself from Palmar like this the more inclined I am to believe that you are both scum. I am not indifferent to your 'conflict', it is part of why I am voting for both of you. You, Mr medic, please claim before night ends bro. Or at least just say there is another part to it so that you can force a shot or something. i am not exactly a medic, but I function like one
Ok, Kenpachi's medic role is very strong. Would you rate it better then a normal medic or worse? Do you think there would be another medic besides you and kenpachi?
On November 22 2011 10:48 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 10:43 bumatlarge wrote:On November 22 2011 10:35 Forumite wrote:On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
The second he stopped posting like sinani I thought he was town. I'll give a verdict before the votes are done. He needs 5 more? No, give your verdict now, not 2 minutes before the lynch. I don´t want a repeat of the prplhz situation yesterday. You put your vote on DCL or Palmar, and I'll put my vote on nisani, because I'm sure his alignment could help, but as of right now he's one of the few people in the thread who realizes the important vote is DCL vs palmar. Given that choice, and with prplhz most likely flipping blue, I think DCL is the one more likely scum. ##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: Nisani201
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On November 22 2011 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
RoL, we don't have two medic claims. A medic flipped yesterday, prpl is claiming some sort of copycat (and he's already been hammered) and DCLXVI fucked up and soft-claimed medic.
Which, I doubt is a real town claim, I think it's a scumclaim. Now he continually soft claims without actually stating his damn role.
If you're town you would've disclosed full info by now. I highly doubt that you are at this point.
Bum, can you clarify why you chose to vote in the manner that you did?
I asked forumite to vote DCL or palmar, and he did. I will vote nisani again tomorrow if you're refering to the timing? I'm very skeptical of nisani, but he did vote both DCL and palmar. I don't have much of a read on him anymore, but I did think he was scum. Think long think wrong.
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On November 22 2011 11:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 11:02 DCLXVI wrote:
@rol
kenpachi is/was a medic, see the end of day 1 post for his full role So if you are a medic type role, did you protect Palmar last night?
He said he "visited" tyrran.
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On November 22 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 11:09 bumatlarge wrote:On November 22 2011 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
RoL, we don't have two medic claims. A medic flipped yesterday, prpl is claiming some sort of copycat (and he's already been hammered) and DCLXVI fucked up and soft-claimed medic.
Which, I doubt is a real town claim, I think it's a scumclaim. Now he continually soft claims without actually stating his damn role.
If you're town you would've disclosed full info by now. I highly doubt that you are at this point.
Bum, can you clarify why you chose to vote in the manner that you did? I asked forumite to vote DCL or palmar, and he did. I will vote nisani again tomorrow if you're refering to the timing? I'm very skeptical of nisani, but he did vote both DCL and palmar. I don't have much of a read on him anymore, but I did think he was scum. Think long think wrong. What does Forumite voting DCL/Palmar have to do with you voting nisani? If Forumite voted Palmar would you still have voted Nisani? What's with the conditional voting?
Is vote bartering against the law? You vote palmar or DCL tomorrow, I'll vote whoever you want too.
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##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: DCLXVI
Let's kill scum today 
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If you are town and do not vote DCL or palmar, you are bad at mafia. End of story.
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On November 24 2011 10:48 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 10:39 bumatlarge wrote:
If you are town and do not vote DCL or palmar, you are bad at mafia. End of story. Still contributing, I see. DCL? I can understand hating on Palmar, but I´m not following DCL. Most have him written down as a Blue.
If he's blue palmar is scum. If you think palmar is town and really was shot, DCL is scum. I've gone over this.
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On November 23 2011 17:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the most important thing you have to ask yourself now in deciding if you think this strategy is good is why do these 5 seem to have no problem voting so much on lynch candidates? In a majority lynch setting its obvious, you vote because you want them to die, and unless they seriously think each one of those 3 were really scum why else would they vote? Seems silly, the obvious answer is that they want them to die because the more dead townies there are the better it helps their win condition.
In a majority lynch game they HAVE to reach the number of votes to get a kill, meaning in this set up a vote list is even more powerful of an analytical tool then anything else we have. I have used votelists to catch scum in the past before and it is a very very good indicator. If you look at Arkham Asylum mafia Lucidity played a really really tight game from posting, I couldn't 100% put him as scum. He flew under really well. But as someone who made semi good intelligent posts he ALWAYS ended up on the wrong side of every lynch. When he was the only person to fuck up so bad the answer was simple, he was scum trying to save his own.
I don't really buy that this is how you plan on winning the game. I can understand it as a place to start in a multi-lynch format, but there needs to be a step two to this. That said, I can't really say why it isn't a good plan.
##Vote: Lanaia
##Vote: GreYMisT
##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Nisani201
##Vote: Zephirdd
It might be a misread but I REALLY don't see cyber_cheese being scum. I've been reading his day 1 posts, and no one gave me such a town vibe as he did. I think the step two I mentioned is actually analyzing the players here.
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On November 24 2011 12:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 11:22 bumatlarge wrote:On November 23 2011 17:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the most important thing you have to ask yourself now in deciding if you think this strategy is good is why do these 5 seem to have no problem voting so much on lynch candidates? In a majority lynch setting its obvious, you vote because you want them to die, and unless they seriously think each one of those 3 were really scum why else would they vote? Seems silly, the obvious answer is that they want them to die because the more dead townies there are the better it helps their win condition.
In a majority lynch game they HAVE to reach the number of votes to get a kill, meaning in this set up a vote list is even more powerful of an analytical tool then anything else we have. I have used votelists to catch scum in the past before and it is a very very good indicator. If you look at Arkham Asylum mafia Lucidity played a really really tight game from posting, I couldn't 100% put him as scum. He flew under really well. But as someone who made semi good intelligent posts he ALWAYS ended up on the wrong side of every lynch. When he was the only person to fuck up so bad the answer was simple, he was scum trying to save his own. I don't really buy that this is how you plan on winning the game. I can understand it as a place to start in a multi-lynch format, but there needs to be a step two to this. That said, I can't really say why it isn't a good plan. ##Vote: Lanaia
##Vote: GreYMisT
##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Nisani201
##Vote: ZephirddIt might be a misread but I REALLY don't see cyber_cheese being scum. I've been reading his day 1 posts, and no one gave me such a town vibe as he did. I think the step two I mentioned is actually analyzing the players here. Here's my problem with it. There are 5 living scum. You have 7 votes down. RoL has convinced you to place votes on townies. There are hazards in store for a town that uses degenerate strategies, and we don't know what they are. Therefore, it would be scum agenda to push a plan that essentially degenerates the game away from analysis of individuals.
Lynching townies is not bad if it in no way inhibits us from winnign the game. The only reason lynching townies is bad is in normal formats, that is one less town KP being used on scum. The only thing that could really hurt us lynching those players is if we are dead wrong and only 0-1 of them are scum, or Zona's warning kills townies, which I think it does not. I think it does not.
I initially thought to myself that perhaps the amount of people we lynch gives mafia that much KP, but three people died yesterday, and unless it's cumulative (which I don't see how that could be fair, unless we actually had about 5 doctors,) so I've ruled it out. I believe it could do anything short of actually killing people.
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On November 26 2011 06:48 Zona wrote:
While we're at it, bumatlarge is warned for 41 hours of inactivity. Yay.
Sorry, thanksgiving and stuff(ing)
##Unvote Palmar
Either I'm wrong about there not being three doctors, or DCI is scum. I didn't even know that xkcd dude was in this game, go figure. I'm a vanilla townie.
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##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: Coagulation
I want to test our so called lynch limit
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Coagulation was the only scum there? Really? We should have lynched more! Maybe mafia only has 2 KP left. Assuming that, lylo is at least in at most 4 days, if we only lynch one per day and hit no scum.
Looking at coagulation's filter, there is really hardly much there. This one post
On November 19 2011 12:31 Coagulation wrote:
Well looks like we lost the one voice of reason in a giant screaming derp fest.
wasnt LSB taking bets that he would be killed night 1?
Should probably go back and see who responded to that and how.
indicates that mafia probably was trying to use LSB dying as a method of lynching people. Something tells me that this makes palmar much more likely to be town.
We should probably glance at people who voted coag before day 3. Day 3, mafia probably suspected coag would get modkilled, so later votes shouldn't hold any water.
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Day 1
Consistent votes: Forumite, Kenpachi, Lemonwalrus, Drazerk
Temp votes: Palmar, wherebugsgo, chaoser
Day 2
Cyber_Cheese, RebirthOfLeGenD, bumatlarge, Tyrran
I think the most notable thing is how few people voted him, when he was pretty open about about not helping the town. Worth knowing.
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I still doubt cyber as scum. The other 4 seem legit WBG, thinking at least 2 of them, with DCL at the top of the list.
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On November 26 2011 14:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
by the other 4, are you including Lanaia?
Yes.
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