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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 13 2011 00:50 GMT
#194
On November 13 2011 09:29 Forumite wrote:
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On November 13 2011 09:16 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:57 Zona wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Out of curiosity, will there be a dead player's QT? I really enjoyed the one from LotR.

I can accommodate that. But it's best to try not to die early!


It would be a lot easier if everyone just would agree to not kill me.

Hmmm, nope. Sorry, can´t help you.


I shall never forget this slight against my honor.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 13 2011 00:59 GMT
#196
On November 13 2011 09:57 Forumite wrote:
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On November 13 2011 09:50 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 13 2011 09:29 Forumite wrote:
On November 13 2011 09:16 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:57 Zona wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Out of curiosity, will there be a dead player's QT? I really enjoyed the one from LotR.

I can accommodate that. But it's best to try not to die early!


It would be a lot easier if everyone just would agree to not kill me.

Hmmm, nope. Sorry, can´t help you.


I shall never forget this slight against my honor.

My name is Forumite, you hammered my father Day 1, prepare to get lynched!


Inconceivable......
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 13 2011 01:23 GMT
#199
On November 13 2011 10:18 Forumite wrote:
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On November 13 2011 09:59 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 13 2011 09:57 Forumite wrote:
On November 13 2011 09:50 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 13 2011 09:29 Forumite wrote:
On November 13 2011 09:16 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:57 Zona wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Out of curiosity, will there be a dead player's QT? I really enjoyed the one from LotR.

I can accommodate that. But it's best to try not to die early!


It would be a lot easier if everyone just would agree to not kill me.

Hmmm, nope. Sorry, can´t help you.


I shall never forget this slight against my honor.

My name is Forumite, you hammered my father Day 1, prepare to get lynched!


Inconceivable......

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


You were supposed to be this colossus! you were this extraordinary thing, and yet he gains...
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 13 2011 01:24 GMT
#200
On November 13 2011 10:13 Kibibit wrote:
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On November 13 2011 08:57 Zona wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Out of curiosity, will there be a dead player's QT? I really enjoyed the one from LotR.

I can accommodate that. But it's best to try not to die early!

I'm a noob to this stuff, what's a QT? (for reference, my first game of mafia ever was at IPL)


QT stands for QuickTopic, its a message board that the mafia team, as well as observers and dead players, use to communicate
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 19:51:09
November 14 2011 19:50 GMT
#223
On November 15 2011 04:15 Forumite wrote:
In about 5 hours I´m going offline to enter a rejuvenating coma, but will be online later during the next local light-cycle.


Not a day goes by that I Don't wish people really talked like this.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 14 2011 21:10 GMT
#228
On November 15 2011 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
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On November 15 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote:
On November 15 2011 04:15 Forumite wrote:
In about 5 hours I´m going offline to enter a rejuvenating coma, but will be online later during the next local light-cycle.

A rejuvenating coma during which you may or may not have vivid hallucinations akin to reality during several hours, which, after emerging from the coma you may not have any recollection of. Also you may or may not lose control of your body upon the first few seconds of reemerging.


lol I used to get those all the time while taking naps after classes. At least Hot_Bid has never infultrated my dreams.


Maybe he incepted you!
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 02:03:08
November 15 2011 02:03 GMT
#240
My face doesn't know how to turn its game "off"
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 03:16 GMT
#252
On November 15 2011 12:09 Zephirdd wrote:
Oh we're sailing already. Oh well, hope we find these hijackers.

(amidoinitrite? We RP with it or can we talk normaly? lol!)

GLHF GG


So you are GMarshal's smurf after all!

/confirm btw.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 07:45 GMT
#282
As far as I know Kenpachi always claims vanilla town, every game, day one, regardless of aliengment. So I wouldn't put much stock in it.

I think i saw this earlier but i would like to bring it up again here, With the multi-lynch mechanic what do people think about lynching an additional lurker for the first few days? usally the problem with the day1 lurker lynch is town doesnt scum-hunt when they are determined just to kill a lurker. however with this settup we can "tack on" another target to the lynch.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 07:57 GMT
#284
On November 15 2011 16:50 xsksc wrote:
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On November 15 2011 16:28 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

People should post opinions on 1) Tunneling people, 2) Use of the multilynch system and 3) The use of the multilynch system in regards to lurkers.


1) I'm assuming this means focusing solely on getting 1 person lynched? If it does, we obviously want to avoid that and keep an open mind.

2) I think the multi-lynch system looks really interesting, and could be a great help if we use it properly. If we have a couple of people who are posting suspiciously then we don't have to decide which one is scummier, because we're not limited to one lynch, we can judge them seperately and lynch them both (if it comes to that).

3) We shouldn't go overboard with the use of this on lurkers, maybe lynch 1 lurker a day with it, in addition to the people we think are scum.


Tunneling refers more to putting intense pressure on a single player, with the hope that they slip up in some way if they are mafia. When done well it can be quite good. but too often it only serves to sidetrack the town, and makes people think you are scum because of that.

Cyber with regards to your 2nd point, as i think i answered both 1 and 3, this whole multi lynch concept is a risk, I think its up to the town to decide whether or not its something we should all go for on a day by day basis. but initially each day i feel like we should approach the game like its only majority lynch rules. Similar to WAW2 with the nukes (until it devolved into madness).
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 08:00 GMT
#286
On November 15 2011 16:59 LSB wrote:
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On November 15 2011 16:50 xsksc wrote:
3) We shouldn't go overboard with the use of this on lurkers, maybe lynch 1 lurker a day with it, in addition to the people we think are scum.

What are your views about this? Should we do this? If so why?


Is this directed at me?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 08:20 GMT
#288
On November 15 2011 17:16 LSB wrote:
Not necessarily, I want xsksc to answer his question. But it's been brought up multiple times, and maybe we should hold a 'poll' on it.
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The issue with discussing plans is that unless it is clearly town favored or mafia favored it is really easy for mafia to lurk and discuss a plan (something they probably don't care about) instead of making fake analysis


fortunatly, with a 72 hour first day, we should be able to get enough info to get a reasonable lynch (or more reasonable than most day1 lynches), or identify the hardcore lurkers
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 15:07 GMT
#306
If you are town just don't lie. It only serves to cause chaos when your lie is found as truth. While I dont nessesarily agree with LAL in all circumstances, you have to have a damn good reason for lying if you don't want to get lynched.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 17:10 GMT
#327
Nisani, in both your relevant posts of the game, you have given very neutral coments, and they both serve to give the mafia an "out." bolded are the examples.


On November 16 2011 01:22 Nisani201 wrote:

FURTHERMORE, claiming town is not pro-scum, because it is in everyone's best interest to appear as a vanilla towie. Townies want to look green because they are green. Blues want to look green so that they are not a Mafia target. And Mafia wants to look green (most of the time) because they don't want to get lynched.



and

On November 16 2011 01:22 Nisani201 wrote:

Sometimes Mafia has to fakeclaim a blue role as a last resort to escape a lynch.


To me this seems really odd. Care to elaborate on your reasons for posting these?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 17:55 GMT
#337
On November 16 2011 02:42 chaoser wrote:
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On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit.

We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.

Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit.

Oh, hi kibbibit

##Vote Nisani201


LAL LAL LAL LAL

##Vote: Forumite


I think the time for troll voting is over...

From the OP:
You may include multiple votes and unvotes in the same post. However, do refrain from both voting and unvoting the same person in a single post. It is possible that some role abilities are tied to the votes that are cast, so be mindful as to how you exercise your vote.




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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 18:00 GMT
#339
On November 16 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:
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On November 16 2011 02:55 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:42 chaoser wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit.

We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.

Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit.

Oh, hi kibbibit

##Vote Nisani201


LAL LAL LAL LAL

##Vote: Forumite


I think the time for troll voting is over...

From the OP:
You may include multiple votes and unvotes in the same post. However, do refrain from both voting and unvoting the same person in a single post. It is possible that some role abilities are tied to the votes that are cast, so be mindful as to how you exercise your vote.






Who said I was trolling?


Oh, well then care to provide reasons? I'm afraid i dont speak LAL code.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 21:26 GMT
#359
On November 16 2011 05:35 Drazerk wrote:
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On November 16 2011 05:30 Sabin010 wrote:
On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: Sabin010


Bad vibes also this -

On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off.


On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote:
This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same.



I've played many live games in my house, but never on TL. Vote as you will, but just because I make implications in my posts does not make me a liar.


Magic!


So it works in games other than LotR mafia as well...
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 15 2011 21:34 GMT
#361
DCLXVI, you said in this post that you thought now is not the time to be going for a multi lynch.
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On November 15 2011 15:12 DCLXVI wrote:
Is it worth speculating what dangers there are in roleclaiming/lynching multiple people in a day? Both are warned against in the OP, but at some point (not now) I can see either becoming a legitimate strategy.
Unless we set a low bar for lurkers, I think that many players will qualify as lurkers and so far the general consensus is to lynch them all. I don't think we want to run the risk of "hazards in store for the town that lynches too many players in a particular day" while we don't need to. Instead of setting a certain number of posts/quality to pass/fail, we can determine the 1-2 least helpful/scummiest players and agree to vote them.
I don't see any merit in roleclaiming now, or even townie-claiming. If kenpachi and hiroruby would explain why they did so I would be ever so grateful. Personally I will not claim for now, but that is open to change. Both the warning in the OP and the lack of activity so far makes me hesitant to do so.


But in your next post you vote for two people, both kenpachi and kbibit.


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On November 16 2011 04:14 DCLXVI wrote:
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On November 16 2011 03:00 Sabin010 wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:37 Zephirdd wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:25 Tyrran wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting.



So you are basically saying : " hey mafia, go lurk and stop posting and you'll be safe from me". I hope you understand how this is suspicious.


Gotta agree with Tyrran here. Lurkers are bad for townies. That said, I don't want to just go on "lynch ALL the lurkers!" mode, but at least lynching one or two a day should make them stay in high alert.


You know I never thought about it like that.

did did you just not read the thread then? That option was brought up several times.

@LSB
I didn't know that kenpachi always townie claims day 1, it has been forever since I have played. It still does not allow him to post 2 other useless one liners and then leave. I just don't think that you should just write off kenpachi so quickly. Zephirrd confirmed early then came back later and actually posted stuff. Once I look that over and see if it is good material I can comment more on it, but at least he posted something. Kenpachi posted useless one liners in response to hiroruby (so there was stuff to talk about, he just decided not to) and then disappeared. I want to see more out out of Kenpachi than this. If he has played enough games for this behavior to be standard, then he should know that this doesn't help the town.

##Vote Kenpachi

and now for a new topic:

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On November 15 2011 12:06 Kibibit wrote:
Welp. Here we go.

first post is fine, counts for nothing

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On November 15 2011 12:59 Kibibit wrote:
/confirm

As far as lurkers go, I'm more or less in agreement on the lynching.

what does this mean, you want to lynch inactive people - really? How many, how inactive, why do so? I won't accept you just "more or less agreeing" with people. That is not helpful and super scummy imo.

Now after some time has passed and more topics are brought up to discuss:

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On November 15 2011 21:44 Kibibit wrote:
I'm semi-okay with LAL, but there's always the possibility of a newbie getting an important decision and fucking up, so I'd prefer that we at least pressure any liars before we get our nooses out on them.

Once again a wishy washy agreement with the general consensus, but not actually taking a side. This is also allowing mafia get away with lying if we used it.


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On November 16 2011 01:12 Kibibit wrote:
On November 16 2011 00:07 GreYMisT wrote:
If you are town just don't lie. It only serves to cause chaos when your lie is found as truth. While I dont nessesarily agree with LAL in all circumstances, you have to have a damn good reason for lying if you don't want to get lynched.

Yeah, but what I mean is that not everyone intends to lie. If it's blatant and obvious, I say lynch them immediately, I'm just saying not to overreact to any inconsistencies or the like.

Once again you think that it is ok for townies to lie badly, we should cut them some slack? Why are you trying to allow scum to get away with occasional inconsistencies/small lies?

All Kibibit has done is to sort of agree with everyone, make excuses for potential liars, and lurk (after he says we should probably lynch lurkers.)

##Vote Kibibit


How is this not a contradiction?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 16 2011 02:32 GMT
#385
On November 16 2011 10:40 chaoser wrote:
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On November 16 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please elaborate how making cases out of nothing does anything to pressure scum?

As soon as you make a baseless case on a scummy or dummy townie they can begin fabricating analysis. In fact, you could lead the whole thread to believe your target is scum when there is no real reason for them to be scum in the first place.

I think we should approach this game more carefully. We have multiple lynches but we will be hurting ourselves if we end up lynching multiple townies instead of scum.


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As soon as you make a baseless case on a scummy or dummy townie they can begin fabricating analysis. In fact, you could lead the whole thread to believe your target is scum when there is no real reason for them to be scum in the first place.


I didn't fabricate analysis though. Forumite built a shitty case on LSB out of nothing. The difference between him and I is that I didn't try to hide my case behind long paragraphs and shitty reasoning. I just went "lawl scum *vote*"

But back onto the topic of pressuring:

In XXXIX redtooth makes a bullshit case on Irish_Punk with no real reason and I followed up on his vote. There is no "leading the whole thread" in that game at all because the natural reaction to a bullshit vote is to go "wtf?", especially when clearly there was no real case in the first place. Who is going to be lead along by "lawl scum, *vote*" as the only reason for voting someone? No one, as was true in that game (people ended up voting Kurumi off 6 votes compared to the 2 on Irish)

Anyway, due to the random no reasoning pressure, Irish overreacts and responds in a crazy manner. This then created discussion; At my expense though =[. More importantly, because of how he responded to the situation and how the rest of the players responded to his response of the situation, I was able to get a solid read on about half the thread and ended up pinning two other players as being mafia. My day two read/suspicious/vote was on amber was completely based around the fact that he was very flaky between voting Kurumi and being suspicious of Irish.

Then I directed a vigi shot at GGQ due to how he handled the Amber lynch.



Thats the problem though, because with your first vote you didnt fabricate analysis, because you didn't make any analysis until I prompted you.

And This is directed at a lot of people, but whats up with reciting the history of a bunch of past games? I mean unless you are using it for meta analysis it servers only to act as filler really.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 16 2011 02:39 GMT
#386
WBG, you also said that we should lynch perferably 3 people today, but focus on only one target during the eairler portions. Don't you think its going to be difficult to decide when we have all decided to lynch someone, and then ignore everything they say while we work out who else to kill? While i feel the same that we should keep focused on one person per day, I think that it would better serve to keep the multi lynch in reserve unless we can all agree to use it.

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