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On November 30 2011 12:05 Lanaia wrote:
wherebugsgo, I wasn't going to vote coag because he was being modkilled and didn't deserve a vote.
ugh. I knew grey was scum going into night. I thought lemon was scum but... ugh.
problem was you and a lot of the other townies never once made a correct call all game.
How are the rest of the townies supposed to determine your alignment if you keep trying to lynch people we think are town?
This was the huge problem for me with chaoser, Nisani, you, Drazerk, and Forumite. You guys were just pushing townies over and over with terrible reasoning and I'd look at the votelists and you guys would always be there.
Can't convince anyone of that when there's also 5 scum to deal with.
The only reason the game was close at all was because Zona was strict about the activity requirements and modkilled Coag and sabin. I caught Zephirdd on day 2? But literally no one could see it and I couldn't pressure him hard enough because the town was already such a mess to begin with.
It's frustrating when you're called a detriment to town and you watch the other townies destroy any and all progress you attempt to make. When you tell them to stop they turn around and attack you. This is what happened with me and Nisani+chaoser. I told them they were being dumb and anti-town and they turned around and attacked me.
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medics should always save the most vocal players who are the biggest threat to scum.
In this game one of the biggest threats was Palmar. He was correctly protected n1 and n2.
I had correct reads on day 2 and day 3 but no one was able to tell because we kept lynching townies instead.
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On November 30 2011 12:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 12:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 12:05 Lanaia wrote:
wherebugsgo, I wasn't going to vote coag because he was being modkilled and didn't deserve a vote.
ugh. I knew grey was scum going into night. I thought lemon was scum but... ugh. problem was you and a lot of the other townies never once made a correct call all game. How are the rest of the townies supposed to determine your alignment if you keep trying to lynch people we think are town? This was the huge problem for me with chaoser, Nisani, you, Drazerk, and Forumite. You guys were just pushing townies over and over with terrible reasoning and I'd look at the votelists and you guys would always be there. Can't convince anyone of that when there's also 5 scum to deal with. The only reason the game was close at all was because Zona was strict about the activity requirements and modkilled Coag and sabin. I caught Zephirdd on day 2? But literally no one could see it and I couldn't pressure him hard enough because the town was already such a mess to begin with. It's frustrating when you're called a detriment to town and you watch the other townies destroy any and all progress you attempt to make. When you tell them to stop they turn around and attack you. This is what happened with me and Nisani+chaoser. I told them they were being dumb and anti-town and they turned around and attacked me. Zephirdds posts were incredibly neutral and cautious early on, you should have picked up on that and pushed his lynch much harder if you believed he was scum. You can't just claim these things post-game.
yeah, I didn't push him very hard. I admit that.
That's my fault, but literally no one in the game ever considered him.
On November 23 2011 19:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 19:39 Zephirdd wrote:..three kills? Shame, risk.nuke and Harbinger both died. nuke was my strongest town read this game in fact. I'd vote for DCL, but as Tyrran pointed out, it is also more likely that he is a blue rather than a red. But then, we either have a third medic, Palmar is lying or DCL is lying(Or the possibility that we do have a third medic AND Palmar is lying, or that DCL lies but there are two more medics, and etc etc etc, lets take the three first possibilities for now). One thing we should know though, is: Did someone else get hit?for the record, I don't think neither are lying and that there are actually more medics ingameI don't mean only tonight, but also night 1. This should be important to know how much KP mafia actually has IMO. as for votings, I'll follow Forumite and Tyrran here- ##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: xsksc
##Vote: Sabin010(I think it's needless to say that Tyrran is my strongest townread atm right?) Also, I like Forumite's theory. I'm inclined more to the "someone has a role that they can target a player", but there must be some limitation to that. Lanaia is known to have a role since day 1 and she isn't dead, and her ability seems powerful enough to not want her alive. Well, that also makes it very hard to role claim in order to save yourself from a lynch, because that would just kill you anyway. I also want to hear from bumatlarge a bit, his opinion on the game and who he thinks is scum/town. No opinion on the WBG/Nisani case yet. you're scum.
At the point I had posted this, I was so fed up with the game that I just said screw it, this guy is scum. If people don't read his post then it's their loss.
My fault for getting impatient and annoyed with town, but I felt like no matter what I said or did people would not listen.
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On November 30 2011 12:38 GreYMisT wrote:
WBG: I was actually going to go along with your logic and lynch eveyone who didnt vote coag, including me, if i was still pressured the last day. in the hopes that we could lynch enough people that the platform would fail.
Would have been hard, but awesome.
at some point I remember saying something like "if you lynch these five players all the scum will be dead" or something like that.
I was wrong, we'd have only scored 3, but the last one was Zephirdd and he was one of the ones I had considered subbing in for the others.
I actually never bothered to make the case on him for whatever reason, I don't even remember why. I was actually fairly angry at how the game was going.
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and also I was super mad you didn't get lynched, greymist. You were like one of the only players who was on every lynch except for Coag's. It was mind boggling to watch cyber get lynched but not you. I was like wtf??!?!?!
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meh whatever.
apologies town, I gave up after two days of trying to wade through things I couldn't understand. I should've tried harder.
gj scum.
EDIT: Also I disagree on you Cyber, I kinda missed you in the mess because I generally dismiss dumb stuff being said by people who have said dumb stuff as town before. (no offense). I knew that if you were scum it would be hard to tell you apart because it just is. Bad townies and scum often just look the same. When there are a ton of bad townies floating around it's even worse.
The tracker claim was horrible and you should've been lynched for it but the town was a disorganized mess. We couldn't tell head nor tail of anything that was going on because there was too much derping.
anyway,
Thanks Zona for hosting! and zbot you too u so cuuuuute
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there's no point in ever role claiming as scum unless it makes sense and serves a purpose.
I suppose if you suspect there's a rolecop you could probably roleclaim too but even so, if you get caught by the rolecop you just push for his lynch.
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On November 26 2011 11:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
yep!
There's only 6 players who didn't vote Coag. One of them is hyshes, who is confirmed town. Another one is Lanaia, who voted Sabin. A third is xsksc, who claimed a doctor role,
This means the scumteam is most likely to be GreYMisT, Sabin010, DCLXVI, with some fourth person we need to figure out.
On November 26 2011 11:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think that fourth scum could be cyber cheese.
Did I just break the game?
I hope I did.
Cyber that was before Nisani and Forumite flipped.
After Nisani and Forumite flipped I had posted the above.
I was wrong about DCL and Lanaia, it was Zephirdd in their stead.
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as long as townies like Forumite and nisani were alive I probably would've never noticed the actual scum.
It was so imperative that we killed those townies that I don't think I would've ever gotten a single scumread till the thread was clear of them.
That's probably why I never paid attention to your posts. Forumite and Nisani (and chaoser to some extent) were to me so distracting that anything you, Cyber, and Zephirdd did, while still pretty bad, was completely overshadowed by them.
If you note in my posts, I keep getting confused because there's like 9 people who kept doing dumb things over and over. You guys were always in those lists but there was always someone on town who was dumber.
It was just....so bad lol
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On November 30 2011 13:15 redFF wrote:
ITT: wbg is a scumhunting god but died before he could lynch you all
-_-
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On November 30 2011 13:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Nisani wasn't even scummy, he just disagreed with Palmar.
lol you can't say that when you were scum.
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On November 30 2011 13:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Nisani wasn't even scummy, he just disagreed with Palmar. lol you can't say that when you were scum. Go back and read that part in the game, it's true. Nobody had a legitimate case on him.
again, you can't say that when you were scum.
Most townies who play like nisani can get easily lynched because their very style of play is anti-town.
Hell, you could get me lynched too if I push the wrong people and I'm too loud about it. If you can prove I'm a distraction to town you can make a valid case that I'm anti-town and should be lynched.
The simple fact that we couldn't get proper scum reads until certain people were lynched should tell you enough about that.
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On November 16 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please elaborate how making cases out of nothing does anything to pressure scum?
As soon as you make a baseless case on a scummy or dummy townie they can begin fabricating analysis. In fact, you could lead the whole thread to believe your target is scum when there is no real reason for them to be scum in the first place.
I think we should approach this game more carefully. We have multiple lynches but we will be hurting ourselves if we end up lynching multiple townies instead of scum.
this is why chaoser was scummy to me.
Why make cases out of nothing? That's incredibly distracting.
On November 17 2011 10:02 Nisani201 wrote:
Palmar needs to get lynched. His case against chaoser is stupid, and he has barely been doing anything throughout this game. His vote on Lanaia is also scummy.
##Vote: Palmar
On November 17 2011 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, one bullshit case is bad enough. But two?
Enough with the FoS. Forumite is scum.
##Vote: Forumite
On November 18 2011 05:28 Nisani201 wrote:
WBG you are so wrong... I provided a reason for every single one my votes.
This is the definition of antitown.
Like four votes day 1, all substantiated with two lines or less.
It just creates a mess. None of these were productive. It just led to people thinking Nisani was scummy.
On November 18 2011 01:58 Nisani201 wrote:
I just read through Drazerk's filter. He has been jumping on bandwagons and supporting bad lynches this whole game.
Seriously, why aren't more people voting for him?
##Vote: Drazerk
On November 17 2011 08:55 Nisani201 wrote:
Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down.
But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die.
##Vote: Kenpachi
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On November 30 2011 13:32 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Nisani wasn't even scummy, he just disagreed with Palmar. lol you can't say that when you were scum. Yes you can. Scum often post logical and "correct" things that seem Pro-Town. It's not like the role PM causes them to start dropping hints that they are Scum in their posts.
yes, but as scum you have a bias because you know who is town and who isn't.
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On November 30 2011 13:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 13:32 Ace wrote:On November 30 2011 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Nisani wasn't even scummy, he just disagreed with Palmar. lol you can't say that when you were scum. Yes you can. Scum often post logical and "correct" things that seem Pro-Town. It's not like the role PM causes them to start dropping hints that they are Scum in their posts. yes, but as scum you have a bias because you know who is town and who isn't. And why does that matter if you're doing something that doesn't show that bias?
of course it matters.
The most anti-town players in this game were town!
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On December 01 2011 02:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 01:29 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2011 01:08 chaoser wrote:
plays bad with shitty reads that caused chaos, blames others for playing bad thus causing your shitty reads.
that's a meme right?
Yawn. Not meta, just not optimal play. I expect some townies to play optimally. Anyway, it is irrelevant, your alignment was not of any big concern that game because you had no chance of joining that town group if you aligned yourself. I'm not blaming you, I specifically said that I had much to improve upon, that doesn't mean I can't point out things that went wrong. You made yourself a target on day 1. That's always an issue. You do realize that any definition of "optimal" is flawed because there's no way to measure that right? Not to mention, at any point in time, to expect people to play optimally is inherently flawed due to outside world factors. If you mean everyone should play in one specific manner that you consider optimal than I'd rather not play mafia anymore cause that's just silly. Coag and kenpachi should clearly just stop playing if people are going to lynch them straight up day 1 cause they are no where close to "optimal" play even though they're boss at not only catching mafia but shooting the shit out of them the meme was aimed at WBG btw. The way you both approached day 1 was so flawed with the tunneling and playing solely based on some misconceived notion about my "meta", not to mention the excessive tunneling on me. I was waiting and waiting for you guys to be like ok, I'm tunneling, I need to reassess and you guys never did it, which was ridiculous. You need two people to dance that tango on day 1/2 and you and WBG directly contributed to that chaos by tunneling. So don't go around saying people played bad and caused chaos and fucked up your reads when you were the one playing horribly and played an equal part in causing said chaos (addressed to WBG, obviously)
Don't spout shit chaoser, you're the one who made less sense than I did and you're also the one who was always more in danger of being lynched.
Next time don't try to catch scum by FOSing 5 people at once on day 1 and then admitting you have no case on any of them, cause that's moronic.
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On December 01 2011 03:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 03:30 Curu wrote:
I've never been lynched as Town!
Or scum!
Curu #1 That's just a sign you havn't played enough.
LOL
Curu is one of the best players on these forums.
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On December 01 2011 04:02 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's a bit rash to insult my play when I have never played with most of the scum team (coagulations not included). I rely pretty heavily on interactions in mafia games, and interacting with Palmar or WBG is like trying to kiss a furnace. I think you two need to lighten up. You can catch scum without spraying mace at everyone who tries to approach you.
you were fine.
However, you have to admit it's rather frustrating when, of the 5 most anti-town players of the game, I'd put 4 townies in there.
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On December 01 2011 04:41 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Don't spout shit chaoser, you're the one who made less sense than I did and you're also the one who was always more in danger of being lynched.
Next time don't try to catch scum by FOSing 5 people at once on day 1 and then admitting you have no case on any of them, cause that's moronic. lol. sure. did you just indirectly admit that you made no sense? Pretty sure "FOS 3 people day 1" was what I did and not "FOS 5 people" in the beginning until you and palmar decided to tunnel me for no reason. Not to mention you also voted for 3-4 people day 1 with most of the cases being "he's playing shitty". My cases were way better than your cases at least. Stop blaming other peopel for your shitty play and go fuck a whale kthanks. shape up your pretentious/elitist/I am better/holier than thou attitude before playing again kk? kindly go take your head out your ass and go win a few more games before acting like you're "da shit" it's like playing with a no-talent version of ace, no thanks
lol chaoser
this is almost not worth responding to. You know very well that you were in the wrong day 1, Palmar and I are not so stupid as to both find you suspicious just because we're both idiots.
We have similar playstyles, but we're not that stupid. You play anti-town, you get lynched. There's a reason neither Palmar nor I ever faced serious threat of lynch, while you did.
Bum didn't play particularly anti-town either, he was just lazy. That's why he was never in threat of being lynched either.
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On December 01 2011 05:20 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +We have similar playstyles, but we're not that stupid. You play anti-town, you get lynched. There's a reason neither Palmar nor I ever faced serious threat of lynch, while you did. lol, i never got lynched? I doubt you could have gotten me lynched had I not gotten sick. I don't think you've EVER gotten me lynched. I also haven't been day 1 lynched since forever. And I'm pretty sure I've carried more games than you have. Go read some mafia history kkk? And you didn't address the part about the elitist/i am better/holier than thou attitude I see. I'd add some more vitriol but I wouldn't want to mean so I'll just politely ask you to go headbutt a bullet and be done with it.
just not gonna bother...
ignore this
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