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On November 09 2011 10:34 GreYMisT wrote:


Who do you think the second scum is btw? I assume you think the first is WBG.

On November 09 2011 10:41 redFF wrote:
here were the options for gm scum

Shoot into the townies in wbg/kurumi/super/chaoser (one of them being his scumbuddies)
this would have been bad for a few reasons. First, it limits the number of scummy people at lylo, secondly it leaves the medic(if there is one) and parity cop and gives the parity cop another check(if there is a medic)



try and out the medic/claim medic and not be counterclaimed
if there is a medic, then parity cop had at least 2 more checks and scum was in a spot of bother!
by claiming medic, gm could have
a) outed the medic, letting him shoot a blue, leaving him free to kill the cop tomorrow and hope his buddy wins in 3p lylo

b) not been counterclaimed. If he hadn't been counterclaimed, i bet that GM would have shot me and kita, he then would have made up some shit in the thread about trying to OUTWIFOM scum by protecting a townie. this would have secured an easy win.



had gm not claimed medic as scum, he would have either shot us and missed, or shot a random townie with a small chance of hitting medic/jailkeeper. this would have left both us and the medic alive, given the parity cop a 3rd check. 3 checks in a game this size on a parity cop is really bad for scum.

so yeah i think GM is scum. the optimal move for gm was to shoot chaoser, the optimal move for anyone was to shoot the medic.


that said, why would town gm claim medic. To draw a hit? What reason did gm have to think there wasnt another blue? GM would know that scum would not risk a no kill to kill a parity cop. GM would know that scum knew a parity cop with 2 checks is not that dangerous, not enough to risk a blocked shot.

If gm was town, why would he have argued with the obviously town chaoser instead of just saying he was trying to draw a hit? he would've known it was town vs town and that if he kept this up we would almost certainly lose the game.


tldr gm is scum

dont vote tho please

On November 09 2011 10:48 redFF wrote:
GODDAMNIT GM WHY FAKECLAIM AS TOWN THE NIGHT BEFORE LYLO JESUS CHRIST

On November 09 2011 11:19 redFF wrote:
HOW

HOW

HOW

On November 10 2011 06:11 redFF wrote:
great since everyone is here. gm, chez or s&g?

On November 10 2011 06:13 GreYMisT wrote:


The Vote is going to ultimately come down to you team red21

Barring any sudden changes in opinion this is what we have thus far:
me and WBG are going to vote against each other, Kurumi has already said he thinks I'm scum, and GM said that he thinks WBG is scum. Thats 2v2, leaving you as the tiebreaker.

On November 10 2011 06:15 kitaman27 wrote:


err, that logic doesn't work.

On November 10 2011 06:19 wherebugsgo wrote:

The simple fact that you said your check could be fake has allowed GM and S&G to muddy the waters.

On November 10 2011 06:21 redFF wrote:

we know, but there's still the question of tommorow. we're scumhunting. Gm an answer if you please. If kurumi is scum he could just not vote and by your logic we would nolynch and lose.

On November 10 2011 06:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
I cannot believe this.

I'm glad you guys think I'm so good, that I would be capable of leading town astray for 3 days straight by myself, with 3 afk scumbuddies.

Good god.

On November 10 2011 06:32 redFF wrote:
oh fuck

On November 10 2011 06:52 redFF wrote:
also supersoft i know you're gonna waltz into the thread and tell us how amazing you are that you found the scum but honestly that was the worst town play i've ever seen and i've seen some pretty bad stuff.

On November 10 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
This is the situation we faced this game:

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Follow_the_Cop

it's really only breakable with a roleblocker. I wouldn't call the setup imbalanced if I hadn't experienced it myself (I'm not blaming anyone, I don't blame Palmar, I'm just saying that in the future this needs to be changed)

IMO mafia should never be punished for forcing a roleclaim. People claiming and then loling to victory is just crazy stupid IMO. This game is about analysis, not dumb luck.

On November 10 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote:
btw, just to give insight, what's considered the problem with this setup on mafiascum, is the fact that once only 1 scum is left, he can basically jail the other scum and act as a backup cop, because over there they get told they save a life or something. That's why no one gets notified of anything this game.

Edit: and remember on mafiascum, the cop is normal, so they can easily find a guilty on n1 and n2, thus just ending the game, and even then mafia is winning about half of the time

On November 10 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote:
yes, that was my initial reason for nerfing cop -> parity cop

I am more than willing to change the 2of4 if we intend to use it again on TL. It's not about me defending the setup, it's me having a problem with people who blame the game (lol @ fucking zerg whiners on TL) instead of blaming themselves, even if the odds are slightly against them, that's what I consider a challenge.

Can someone suggest a modification to the 2of4 setup that would make it more balanced.

I ran this version on another site:

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Cop, Doctor.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Cop, Veteran.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Vigilante, Veteran.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Vigilante, Doctor.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Vigilante, Cop.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Doctor, Veteran.

It replaces rolecop with roleblocker, and removes jailor/vanilla and adds vigilante and veteran