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On November 06 2011 13:17 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:15 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield. oh look more WIFOM! mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! jesus you actually think this reasoning flies? You think THIS logic flies? Give a derp town easy reason to mislynch you...right... cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right?
So you admit you're not town?
lololol.
You're trying to lead a lynch on my team because Radfield didn't die. That's an "easy reason" for derp townies to bandwagon lynch us. There's no pressure from townies yet, but had I not pointed that out I'm sure people like red would come along be like "LOL SO TRUE GUESS HE'S SCUM LOLOLOLOL"
Radfield and I talked about this exact situation yesterday. My opinion? Anyone who is desperate enough to use such a shitty reason to accuse us is probably scum.
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On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right? How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post
No pressure from town=you're not a townie then?
On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU?
What are you going on about? There's four votes to lynch today. We don't need pressure from town on us, we just need stupid townies to bandwagon. Scum can comprise half of the deciding votes on lynch.
This is precisely why I'm saying that it'll just take one dumb townie to get us into a bad situation. You just used one of the dumbest reasons I've ever seen for voting someone (Radfield didn't die, Chezinu has to be scum!) and I feel that I need to shut that down before someone really stupid like Kurumi or red comes along and adds one or two votes to that.
Two scum and two bandwagoning townies=easy mislynch and the day will end with no good information gained.
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On November 06 2011 13:29 chaoser wrote:
Using shitty logic isn't going to protect you from getting lynched, if anything it's going to GET you lynched
You should probably learn this lesson yourself before you try to teach it to others.
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On November 06 2011 13:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right? How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post No pressure from town=you're not a townie then? On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU? What are you going on about? There's four votes to lynch today. We don't need pressure from town on us, we just need stupid townies to bandwagon. Scum can comprise half of the deciding votes on lynch. This is precisely why I'm saying that it'll just take one dumb townie to get us into a bad situation. You just used one of the dumbest reasons I've ever seen for voting someone (Radfield didn't die, Chezinu has to be scum!) and I feel that I need to shut that down before someone really stupid like Kurumi or red comes along and adds one or two votes to that. Two scum and two bandwagoning townies=easy mislynch and the day will end with no good information gained. No pressure from town=fact? One guy voting for you ain't pressure. No one thought you were mafia yesterday at all, you were off the grid in terms of suspicion. So why would town derp along into voting for you again? Cause most of them seem to be pretty trusting of you. Though now your shitty logic for trying to get me lynched is starting to show. There's no reason whatsoever for if I was mafia to NOT kill your team seeing as how you would probably be the most prominent at getting MY team lynched today. The suspicion on you is mainly from using SHITTY LOGIC and Radfield being inactive. Having the not die part is just icing on top.
Any vote puts pressure on someone. That's why we have a thing called pressure voting! And there you go again with more WIFOM. "If I were mafia I would've done this and this!" You're using the fact that we didn't die to simultaneously call us scum AND call yourself town. And you say I am using shitty logic? At any rate, you can keep saying I use shitty logic all you want, merely saying it won't make it come true. If you want examples of shitty logic you should probably look at this:
On November 05 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them. To expand on this point, in a small game like this, especially since it's so active, I very much doubt that mafia will be lurking or even inactive. Those are tactics that mafia teams of 6 use for late game survival when it's Day 8 and there's a sea of lurking/inactive players for town to work through.
Nice use of terrible logic to basically exonerate anyone who is lurking/inactive and take pressure off them. So now we're less likely to suspect lurking players like hyshes, sandro, kurumi, or RoL.
On November 05 2011 14:53 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't see how referring to another game says something? \ I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know. This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place. Also I know you've been following the newbie game and hyshes play in this game pretty much matches up with his play in that game. And that is, he's playing in a way that's totally foreign to us, specifically because he's use to playing a different form of the mafia game where the meta is so different as to be alien.
"logic"=hyshes doesn't play like us so we shouldn't suspect him for doing scummy things like posting in the newbie game but being completely absent here. Or, hell, just suspecting hyshes at all.
On November 06 2011 12:35 chaoser wrote:
Also, if I was mafia, why would I try to make sure there wasn't a no lunch, offering my team and Viking as valid lynches.
"logic"=I'm not mafia because I pushed a lynch target
So why aren't you suspicious of sandroba and kurumi for advocating a no-lynch? Double standard much?
On November 06 2011 12:51 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia I could have sat back and waited for a no lynch
and again
On November 06 2011 12:52 chaoser wrote:
Lol, go read any of my old games. I get pissed easily
"logic"=I get pissed as town therefore I'm town this game.
Guess what, you got really pissed at me, Mig, and Radfield last game too! And you were....scum! Radfield and I have agreed that your play this game is very much like how you played in PYP:I, and we were two of the most influential players in catching you in that game.
On November 06 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:
##Vote: team chenizu
Shitty logic? Radfield being not active? Still alive past day one?
"logic"=Radfield is not active and that team is alive past day one=scum!
Not to mention the constant use of the term "shitty logic" with no actual clarification or evidence that suggests why said term is being used. You've used it over and over this game without explaining what is not making sense.
On November 06 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:
How was I not being logical again? Viking was pretty scummy. My case was way better than your case on me which is solely based on this conception that I'm some sort of mafia god and if I'm under performing that I'm mafia. And tgat defending myself is a scum tell...What a shit case. Hope everyone can see this
"logic"=my case was better than your case, so therefore I'm town and you're scum (rofl)
When, in reality, your entire case on prpl/forumite was based on you repeating that prpl and forumite were using "shitty logic" and that they moved their vote around several times.
On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield.
"logic"=I'm not scum because you're not dead
On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday. ??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent? irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch. Still never responded to this point I see. How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch.
You fucking edited this post? Are you fucking kidding me?
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On November 06 2011 13:43 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday. ??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent? irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch. Still never responded to this point I see. How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch. Oops, I pressed edit on the previous post when I meant to press Quote. My bad
It was equivalent for mafia.
Mislynch, or deny town information? Unless you are scum, how the hell are you in any position to tell which one is more beneficial? It's entirely circumstantial.
Not to mention, if you really think a no-lynch favored scum then it's a wonder you're not pressuring sandro and kurumi, since they were the biggest advocates of a no-lynch.
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On November 06 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote:And finally, you're saying 1) I'm mafia 2) I shot Bum/iGrok, one of the few people who didn't think I was mafia cause, fuck it, I like a challenge. And one of the few people that were suspicious of you and radfield. Show nested quote +You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case. Show nested quote +Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.
I felt like that was a backwards conclusion to make. I know bugs is a universally aggressive player, so seeing him draw out this line, from what I can tell, a newer player, seems like play focused in the wrong direction.
And then this drops of the map. Incredibly odd. I concluded that radfield convinced him it was a bad idea to pursue this, but radfield's posts have not impressed me. I'm mostly suggesting that people take the "Interactions" philosophy to heart when they analyze. There is no direction to point blues in with the known info, so please don't try. 3) And didn't shoot you so that I, the one that was the second most voted player would be able to get enough townies to "Derp along with me" to lynch you
I'm not speculating on the iGrok kill because no one knows why iGrok would be shot. You might, though! You certainly seem to want to talk about the night kills, which makes you even more suspicious.
Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite?
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On November 06 2011 14:07 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +I'm not speculating on the iGrok kill because no one knows why iGrok would be shot. You might, though! You certainly seem to want to talk about the night kills, which makes you even more suspicious.
Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite? lol...I see you're going to take this one to the end I see. Good =]. All the more easy to get you lynched. So you're saying that if I was mafia the most logical kill for me to make was iGrok/Bum? Someone who didn't want me lynched today and someone who suspected you? Or would it make more sense for you to be mafia and to kill him cause he was against lynching the person you have been going after the most and also cause he was suspicious of you?
Please quote where I said it makes sense for you to have shot iGrok/bum.
Jesus Christ you're retarded.
I'm telling you it's complete WIFOM and you're scum for trying to draw a conclusion out of non-conclusive "evidence." No one except scum knows why iGrok was shot, and the fact that you keep bringing up the nightkills with certainty as to why they were performed=you're probably scum.
You also keep contradicting yourself over and over. You insist that a no-lynch would have favored scum yesterday, but aren't suspicious of people who advocated a no-lynch like sandroba or kurumi.
You said this:
On November 05 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case? I've played in multiple games where mafia, especially newer players, have done that on the misconception that they will "blend in" with the rest of the players if they're part of a majority vote. The logic of using "I was wrong in the lynch but so was everyone else that voted for them" as an argument when a player flips town is something that DOES happen.
When this situation perfectly describes you now.
You keep asserting that you're town based on the simple fact that you pushed a lynch yesterday. You're saying your "case" on prpl/forumite was good in order to insist that you are town (when, in fact, multiple players have insisted that your case was total trash and prpl/forumite should never have been voted.)
On November 06 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite? Not all WIFOM is made the same. In this case, it certainly isn't lol. At the very least if I was mafia I would have killed one of the teams that was voting against me, not the team that was supporting me. Keep digging that hole though.
LOL more shitty logic
"It's WIFOM, but this one is different"
wtf does that even mean?
On November 06 2011 14:09 redFF wrote:
this back and forth is giving me scumvibes from wbg.
I am the fucking prediction king.
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also if you would shoot someone who was against you as scum then why didn't your team shoot me in PYP on night 1? I was the most vocal advocate for your lynch prior to your death.
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On November 06 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
also if you would shoot someone who was against you as scum then why didn't your team shoot me in PYP on night 1? I was the most vocal advocate for your lynch prior to your death.
Uh, cause foolishness/you contacted me during the night and said you were mafia that wanted to make an alliance? Did you forget that? Or was that a fact that you wanted to not bring up? I actually even leaked that you were mafia to Radfield in the hopes that he would get some town KP to kill you to be gone with. Kill two birds with one shot (Not waste our KP on you/Make town kill the most annoying person against my team) Sadly Cyber leaked we were mafia. So that didn't work out so well.
You straight up admitted that you believed it was a trap, and you even told me when I messaged you that you thought I was town because I messed up and messaged you after Foolish did.
You're lying scum.
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that is, when I messaged you after you died.
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On November 06 2011 14:25 chaoser wrote:The fact that you're still pushing for my lynch and voting for me says you think it makes sense that I shot iGrok/Bum. The fact of the matter is that it makes NO SENSE and that if you were actually townie you'd have noticed that and you would be reconsidering right now.
Here you go, definition of shitty logic.
I don't use inconclusive evidence to find scum, unlike you. iGrok dying is not evidence for you being scum any more than it is evidence for me being scum. You're scum because you've used a lot of bad logic (which I have repeatedly pointed out, unlike you), you've pushed terrible cases, and, most importantly, you've contradicted yourself.
Behavioral contradiction is the number 1 way to catch scum, IMO, and you've displayed it at least twice within the past 30 minutes alone.
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On November 06 2011 14:28 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 06 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote:On November 06 2011 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
also if you would shoot someone who was against you as scum then why didn't your team shoot me in PYP on night 1? I was the most vocal advocate for your lynch prior to your death.
Uh, cause foolishness/you contacted me during the night and said you were mafia that wanted to make an alliance? Did you forget that? Or was that a fact that you wanted to not bring up? I actually even leaked that you were mafia to Radfield in the hopes that he would get some town KP to kill you to be gone with. Kill two birds with one shot (Not waste our KP on you/Make town kill the most annoying person against my team) Sadly Cyber leaked we were mafia. So that didn't work out so well. You straight up admitted that you believed it was a trap, and you even told me when I messaged you that you thought I was town because I messed up and messaged you after Foolish did. You're lying scum. I doubt Palmer will allow me to bring in the PMs from a previous game but you can rest assured that our logic in not killing you that night was perfect and the plan would have worked had cyber not leaked I was mafia. The fact that you're now reaching for events that happened in other games instead of this game is proof enough that you're messing up
Nope, just proving you contradicted yourself.
You're saying that you would shoot someone who was a threat to you if you were scum. I'm saying that isn't true, since your team certainly didn't shoot me or anyone else who was a threat to you last game. Nice contradiction.
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On November 06 2011 14:28 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 06 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote:On November 06 2011 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
also if you would shoot someone who was against you as scum then why didn't your team shoot me in PYP on night 1? I was the most vocal advocate for your lynch prior to your death.
Uh, cause foolishness/you contacted me during the night and said you were mafia that wanted to make an alliance? Did you forget that? Or was that a fact that you wanted to not bring up? I actually even leaked that you were mafia to Radfield in the hopes that he would get some town KP to kill you to be gone with. Kill two birds with one shot (Not waste our KP on you/Make town kill the most annoying person against my team) Sadly Cyber leaked we were mafia. So that didn't work out so well. You straight up admitted that you believed it was a trap, and you even told me when I messaged you that you thought I was town because I messed up and messaged you after Foolish did. You're lying scum. I doubt Palmer will allow me to bring in the PMs from a previous game
also big lol @ this
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On November 06 2011 14:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +You're saying that you would shoot someone who was a threat to you if you were scum. I'm saying that isn't true, since your team certainly didn't shoot me or anyone else who was a threat to you last game. Nice contradiction. lol, once again, bringing up something that happened in the previous game in a situation that was completely different from this game and in a setup that was completely different as well. I can paraphrase the plan for you if you want though. You claimed mafia and wanted alliance, we didn't know if you were actually mafia or not. You were being extremely suspicious and we weren't sure if you were townie trying to trick us, mafia trying to actually alliance, or mafia trying to trick us to gain town cred. So I decided to leak to Radfield that you were mafia with our conversation. During the end of our conversation I tried to make you change your kill target to prphlz, the person I told Radfield I was going to protect. This was to make it look like I was actually medic trying to prevent a death and also outting a mafia to Radfield, gaining me town cred. I told him to lynch you but I was hoping he would have dreamflower shoot you. You dying my town hands would have been best for us. If you were methman anything, townie gets killed shooting you. If you were townie, hurrah, we made a townie shoot a townie. If you were mafia, hurrah, we confirmed foolishness was actually a mafia and we would have started negotiations. There was no way your death would have been traced back to us since Radfield would claim his townie circle shot you.
I recall you saying after you died that you thought I was town laying a trap because of how I messaged you after foolish did. In that case, if mafia hits are always so predictable, why didn't you shoot me?
If you are really town then you should see the glaring issue here. You can't conclusively conclude why mafia would shoot someone, because no one knows for sure why someone would get shot except for mafia themselves. The simple fact that you're trying to spin me and Radfield being mafia because we didn't get shot but iGrok+bum did is highly suspicious. Indeed, there are still gaping holes.
For example, iGrok suspected team SS. Using your logic, is team SS scum too then?
Lastly, you don't respond to half my posts or points. For example, this one:
If a no-lynch was in favor of mafia yesterday, why are you not suspicious of team SS or team nipple?
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On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote:
Ok I gather you guys think each other is mafia but I'd like to see a well constructed argument from both of you. It's indeed suspicious that wbg/rad didn't get shot tonight, but honestly they have not been on my radar before the day shift. I want to hear more from hyshes/radfield aswell as rol. Previous game are irrelevant, but of course meta plays a role. The main thing making me lean towards chaoser scum right now is the fact that hyshes is totally gone and that is unexpected considering what chaoser said previously. Also RoL needs to post. I'm not afraid of lynching someone that doesn't give a fuck about this game, and you can bear the blame of the loss if you are town.
hmmm...
I don't really know how to approach this post lol. I kinda like it I guess? But I dunno, something seems up with you, sandro. I can't really put my finger on it. Does anyone else feel this way?
I do, however, agree with this:
On November 06 2011 15:08 sandroba wrote:
I'd lynch kurumi and rol.
Next to chaoser, kurumi and RoL are one of the teams that is pretty up there in terms of scumminess. What's weird, though, is that you supported Kurumi's no-lynch plan and you are almost as inactive as Kurumi (albeit RoL has done literally nothing)
I'm not sure how to read sandro's team at this point, but I think they might be a good option.
Finally, here's a compilation of the chaoser+hyshes case, so it's easier for people to read. Also, big apologies for destroying a couple pages of the thread; I've been trying to reduce my postcount since XLV but it's obvious I haven't learned yet. I don't intend to spam or intimidate people out of posting their opinions. (quite the contrary, I like active contribution)
chaoser and hyshes
My suspicions on these two players started with this post, and it more or less describes the hyshes half:
On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town.
First thing hyshes posts in the thread, and it basically suggests we should minimize mistakes at all costs. As I pointed out repeatedly, (as did prpl+Forumite) only scum want to minimize mistakes, and only scum are afraid of being caught. Townies should not be afraid of making mistakes because they really have nothing to fear. Townies can go out there and state their opinions freely; they do not need to be overly careful and they do not need to be deathly afraid of making mistakes.
Certainly, townies need to exercise judgment and restraint when they are wrong, but they never need to be afraid of being wrong. The behavior of hyshes certainly pushed the notion that he was afraid of being wrong, since he even posted afterward that he expected to be hailed as a genius for his plan.
Lastly, two more things hammered in my suspicion of hyshes. One was this post, the sole other "contribution" hyshes made to this game.
On November 05 2011 02:23 hyshes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 20:59 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:06 supersoft wrote:On November 03 2011 19:11 prplhz wrote:
About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want
additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more
material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm. to be fair i dont think chaoser is lazy scum who doesnt want to fake logs. i think he wants to play mafia by analyzing and discussing instead of abusing the mechanics of an online mafiagame. he made that pretty clear. It´s not abusing mechanics, it´s using what you have in order to win. The biggest advantage of an IRL-mafia is gone, we can´t see the other players, but it´s not like reading faces is "abusing the mechanics" in an IRL-game, it´s just part of the game, like going back and checking posts is in a forum game. Chaoser is absolutely correct in that forgeable logs can loose Town the game, I just don´t agree with reflexively throwing away tools that might have helped us. This still doesn´t excuse how Chaoser and hyshes has acted in other respects, Chaoser taking a backseat while his partner suggest Anti-Town plans. I thought Chaoser would have stepped in if he thought hyshes was making a fool of himself, instead he waited until he was called out. Chaoser was actively lurking while his team was being accused, that doesn´t make sense, unless he was weathering the storm, hoping that hyshes would be excused because of him being new. One player is acting scummy, and the other just happens to be acting scummy, makes me suspect they are a scumteam. ##Vote TEAM EDWARD On November 04 2011 07:52 prplhz wrote:
Well I'm sold, I hope Forumite feels the same way 'cause:
##Unvote
##Vote Team SS On November 04 2011 11:57 Forumite wrote:I´ve got my eyes on Team Nipple, both of them. Let me show you some relevant posts:+ Show Spoiler +It´s actually the only relevant posts
since the game started, and there´s 2 of them...On November 04 2011 02:31 Kurumi wrote:Kurufesto It's good to be back, guys. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 07:45 GMarshal wrote:Cool, a game of mafia ![[image loading]](http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/186616/face-the-reaper-skull-31000.jpg) [/cent er] It's traditional at this point to post a picture of the reaper So, Iets do this thing. First thing first As usual there is no excuse for lurking, don't do it and you won't have me lobbing for your lynch. Seriously, 2 players per team should mean a more than decent level of activity, you aren't going to get away with 2~3 posts per cycle unless they are an outstanding, wall of text, analytical set of three posts. So post, transparency and information means we have a greater chance of success. Second thing (this should *not* be a point of discussion, as what I am about to talk about is too general for us to really talk about, I just wanted to make sure it was said). Because there are no vigilantes, if we have a jailkeeper he should be using his protect/roleblock offensively, that is "protecting" scum in an attempt to roleblock the kill, rather than going after the most outspoken townies and possibly roleblocking a power role. This style should encourage activity (scum no longer want to risk being lurkers if it might make their kill fail) and with the possibility of a medic in play scum still cannot afford to shoot the top players. Other than that there isn't that much to say on the setup until we get later in the day and can talk about dt lists and such. My lurker policy remains the same as always, and yeah, that's about it. I am against lynching lurkers. First, the setup is really small, so we should delay the game and make it as long as we could. Scum, unless terrible or really overloaded with RL stuff (they shouldn't join game then, but hey it happens) won't lurk. Remember, scum are those MIDDLE guys, not so active or inactive to draw attention. "But it sounds so cool Kurumi... go get them Yourself, let me derp my way to LYLO" Yeah I know Towns on TL are quite damn lazy and with all the info coming out at the beginning of the game, quoting guides by either side and stuff like that and forget all of it after D1 lynch but.. I am not going to forget, I wish to play my best this game. "But Kurumi, Mafia has a Role Cop!" With 1 blue, they will have hard time finding Team with it. With 2 blues, we will get enough protection/information to retaliate strong enough. Remember, the more time Parity Cop gets, the stronger we are, because he can slowly confirm people. I think we shouldn't worry about Mafia Role Cop too much. Lurker lynch is a bad idea. We either no-lynch or lynch the scummiest fuckers out there. With a mislynch, Mafia ALREADY got their KP per cycle! If we don't get a good protect/block or we just don't have roles for it, 2 people are dead by Day 2. Meanwhile, Mafia Role Cop has checked one of the roles. That means, 3 out of 7 people roles are known to Mafia, another lynch and it's 4 out of 5, if the (only one) blue survived to this time, he will be killed during the night, no matter the lynch result. Summary:
Lurker lynch is a terrible idea, Mafia rarely lurk without any special plan.
No lynch does not put us behind: Our blue will survive longer this way.
Lynch = scummiest person, remember!
Try to keep Your post readable... I am trying, so You should too. On November 04 2011 02:49 Kurumi wrote:
Lurker lynching is often an excuse not to lynch someone, just add "I dunno, he doesn't seem so
scummy to me" and voila, You've got Your lurker lynch. Giving You no information about people who
voted on the lurker (and we probably won't have this problem) and giving You a green flip. Day 1
lurker lynch is.. worse than a no-lynch, because we will hit town on 99% of
basis. Kurumi makes two policy posts, both saying that lynching lurkers is a
bad idea, then proceed to lurk again. I don´t know if this is some crazy plan by a scumteam to
confuse Town, or if they´ve just given up on the game, but whatever it is they need to snap out
of it and post. If we are looking for anti-Town behavior, then here it is, and they deserve to be
lynched for it. First TEAM VIKING is trying to get all kinds of votes going on different teams. And then, out of the blue, without metioning team red21 before, they directly go along with GM's post. + Show Spoiler +On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote:
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and
prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to
put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the
deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.
##Unvote
##Vote Team Red21 Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!
This was the vote that spawned the prpl+forumite bandwagon. We cannot forget this, as this is probably the single most important thing that happened yesterday. (yes, even more important than kita+redFF claiming PC)
The entire vote is based on the idea that Forumite and prpl were throwing their vote around on different players. Somehow, (even to chaoser) this became a scumtell. This vote was completely unreasoned, and to me it came across with a scum agenda; get the attention off of themselves by leading the lynch on someone else.
The fact that the vote lacks analysis (both on the part of hyshes and on the part of chaoser) is suggestive of the fact that prpl and Forumite were just scapegoats. Hyshes and chaoser picked a weak team to target and quickly relieved themselves of a lot of pressure.
In the end, the bandwagon worked and it saved them from a lynch.
The third and last thing that hyshes did was he disappeared after this. Just dropped off the face of the Earth, and he hasn't been here since. For a team that was supposed to be chaoser coaching hyshes, this is incredibly suspicious, particularly as chaoser has many times the number of posts hyshes has.
That doesn't sound like chaoser is coaching hyshes at all.
Now, the chaoser half:
On November 04 2011 03:10 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:04 prplhz wrote:
RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.
I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason. First of all, that game was only a mafia win because Aidnai decided to WIFOM himself into voting with someone THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots. Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote:
I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here. Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea. Secondly how am I trying to shut down discussion? I said the "post your team convo lawl plan" was bullshit and not playing to the spirit of the game and that I wouldn't stand for it. Palmer decided he agreed and added in the new rule, I then said that a mafia mind doesn't generally think up stupid shitty plans. Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies. Dumb play/=Mafia. Where in any of the things that I just said does "HE IS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION!" come into play? I'm actually ADDING to discussion by pointing out my opinions.Show nested quote +Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.
This is the first post that originally stood out to me from chaoser. Highlighted are the important parts.
red=dismissed prpl's statement rather angrily (or so it appeared to me) without actually addressing his point. Prpl was stating that this game is not specifically a mentor-type game, with the implication that chaoser can't just cop out of being here because he's coaching hyshes. Chaoser instead takes offense to the statement that he got himself lynched as DT. (missing the point)
green=once again, missing the point. Chaoser focuses on the notion that the bad plan doesn't make hyshes scum, though he does nothing to address the motivation concerns. In fact, the crux of the argument against hyshes had nothing to do with the plan at all, but rather the reasoning behind the plan. This can be seen with prpl's reference to the fact that he thought, "it was conceived by a mafia mind." Also, he incorrectly and misleadingly exaggerates by implying that only townies post bad plans:
Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies.
This is actually completely false. I actually remembered one certain someone posting a plan in LoTR, who was universally thought to be town for quite a while, until chaoser himself shot him.
This person was none other than my current partner. The FIRST plan that was posted in LoTR:
+ Show Spoiler [LoTRRadfieldPlan] +On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:HOW TO AVOID A DAY 1 SHITSTORM
by Radfield Raddisson
The key to avoiding a crappy Day 1 culminating in a no-evidence townie lynch is to figure out our priorities. What do we actually want on Day 1?
First, we want to get everyone down on paper. Thoughts, feelings, vibes, etc. I really don't care what you're saying right now, I just want you to say it.
Second, establish a baseline of activity. PlayerA makes 20 posts Day 1 and 5 Day 2, that's a problem since there is very little to talk about on Day 1 and a whole lot more on Day 2.
Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:
Step 4. Hold your votes. Slamming votes around 6-12 hours into the game is not productive. Take off your scum-goggles and allow people to post. Have a suspicious person in mind? Great, sit on it and let them keep posting. See if they keep posting scummy stuff.... THEN attack them.
All players should be keeping a spreadsheet with notes/roles/activity levels/ etc. Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. Are there helpful tips in my post? Absolutely. Have I said anything remotely game related? Absolutely not. Anyone can talk in generalities. Anyone can offer advice.
Honestly, I cannot stress how important it is to keep a spreadsheet. If you don't know who's still alive in the game, or who claimed what, or which players voted for whom, then how can you make informed decisions? For those who don't remember, Radfield was scum. So much for "only townies post plans day 1 and put themselves out there", eh? The only other player I can recall who even made a plan that game was Trancestorm. And if it's somehow specifically a bad plan that makes it different, then we haven't even considered sandro's plan from PYP, have we? Pretty bad plan it was, IMO, and the way he pushed that plan caused me to be suspicious of him from nearly the beginning of the game. Indeed, this game he pushed a fairly bad plan too, but I'm not sure of him in this game because the way he approached it was different. In fact, his behavior has just been giving me ??? all over the place because I can't find consistency in this game.
blue= Chaoser misses the point for the third time in a row and once again twists prpl's words. In chaoser's own words, either a townie intentionally posts a bad plan to draw out mafia (and prpl calls out chaoser on this, since chaoser is mentioning a scenario that doesn't apply) or a townie posts a bad plan because he is bad at coming up with plans. There is nothing that just automatically makes townies worse at coming up with plans. The idea itself is stupid, and indeed you are committing self-deceit if you simply and almost automatically assume anyone who comes up with a bad plan is town.
prpl correctly and very effectively points out that mafia have a vested interest in appearing like they are contributing. Posting a plan is a great way to do this. Indeed, we need to look at classic behavioral tells that suggest that it is indeed a scum posting a bad plan and then trying to get away with it, and we later see that this is exactly the case with hyshes. As prpl stated, this was the one situation (scum trying to appear town) that chaoser very conveniently glossed over in his posts about who posts plans and why.
In looking to establish whether the plan poster is scum or not, we would need to look at the behavior after the post. Scum would want to feign contribution and then fly under the radar to remain unsuspecting. This is exactly what hyshes did. After the plan was posted, he really didn't do anything. Then, when it came to crunch time and it was apparent that he and chaoser would be a focus for the lynch, he started the bandwagon on prpl+forumite and promptly disappeared.
The next post of chaoser that tipped me off further was this:
On November 04 2011 05:36 chaoser wrote:Says my team is scummy, doesn't vote for us. ???
This post suggested to me that chaoser didn't have a vested interest in reading the thread. He seemed to only be interested in who was suspicious of his team. Indeed, his first suspicions were of prpl, and it certainly seemed like it was in reaction to prpl pressuring chaoser on the plan/hyshes business.
For someone who kept getting outraged over people using "shitty logic," I found it extremely weird that chaoser wasn't reading the thread properly, so as to completely miss my vote on his team. How can a person who is concerned with proper logic employ said logic without a proper foundation of information that is gathered through actually reading the thread?
On November 04 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:
Also, I'm not even panicking. Only 2 votes and 24+ hours left in the day? I didn't even know you voted for me so that'd be 1 vote and 24+ hours left in the day when I posted my previous stuff. Defense does not equal panic.
Once again missing the point. At this point, chaoser has done enough things that seem strange that I begin to think that he isn't just "missing" the point, he's doing it intentionally and he's twisting things as he finds them convenient.
I never equated his defense of himself to him panicking. I said it seemed like he was panicking because he completely missed my vote on him, instead very aggressively showing suspicions of anyone who suspected him (myself and prpl, really)
This post:
On November 05 2011 00:44 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +What are your reads Chaoser, who is scum, who is town, who should we lynch today. My teammate should be posting our read sometime soon. Like I said before, I'd rather be on as an advisory role.
Is far more important now than it was at the time chaoser posted it.
At the time chaoser posted it, I expected to see more of hyshes in the thread. I expected to see him post some sort of analysis on team viking and for him to step up activity in the thread, with chaoser probably tuning his activity down.
Clearly that's not what we have seen; indeed, it has been the complete opposite. Hyshes has just completely disappeared, while chaoser has tripled his activity.
Rather strange for someone who is simply supposed to be in an advisory capacity.
On November 05 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case? While I will concede the point that mafia generally don't like to move their vote around multiple times a day, I don't concede the point that they don't do it. I've played in multiple games where mafia, especially newer players, have done that on the misconception that they will "blend in" with the rest of the players if they're part of a majority vote. The logic of using "I was wrong in the lynch but so was everyone else that voted for them" as an argument when a player flips town is something that DOES happen. But that's not the main point of the prp/forumite suspicions. Show nested quote +Go read over prp/forumite's posts as a good starting point. What has forumite been contributing to the thread? quote: Not agreeing with you here, I don´t think your way will work on those two. (Disagree with GM's plan to let the votes pile up on us) and then at the end: Let´s bring Team Edward into the sunshine, and see if they Burn and/or Sparkle! (This is basically saying lets do that!) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=14#264He posts a bullshit "analysis" of kurumi's team, bold their team red, never votes for them. Prphlz has since fallen off the face of the thread since accusing us of being mafia, going for easy "lurker" lynch of S and S and then later of Kurumi and RoL. He then posts this which puts the responsibility of scumhunting on others instead of doing it himself. quote: I like GMarshal's post. I'm leaving in an hour or so, maybe kitaman27 or redFF can conjure up something before that. Forumite even posts this: Sure, you can pick this lynch, I´ll pick the next one which shows that only does he NOT care about his previous case against us but that he's ok with lynching whomever. They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them. They also showed a disregard to what their actual suspicions were, being very cavalier with their vote as well as their own reasoning/cases. Multiple times they posted a case and then were completely fine when their teammate wrote a case about someone else and then voted for that someone else without question. Finally, they decided to rest their vote on a team that they themselves didn't even push for (red21), citing GM's argument as "good" as the only reason for voting for them. It's the "I don't give a damn who gets lynched" attitude that's suspicious to me.
This post was strange to me simply because chaoser was introducing reasons for prpl/Forumite being scum that weren't present in the actual vote that hyshes posted. He said earlier that hyshes was coming along with the reasoning for voting prpl/forumite. Hyshes posted the vote by simply quoting the three voteposts of prpl and Forumite, saying that they were scum because they were voting a lot (wtf?)
Again, for someone like chaoser who is so concerned with shitty logic, the logic couldn't get shittier. How does "voting a lot" make someone scum?
Finally, the hypocrisy of the red and bolded part is astonishing. Chaoser claimed that the actual, main reason for voting prpl/forumite was that they were exclusively going after lurker teams or "easy targets." In the same vein, chaoser's team was pursuing one of the easiest targets of all. This was only proved by how easily prpl and forumite got bandwagoned and lynched. Pretty much every vote for them was completely baseless and stupid.
On November 05 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them. To expand on this point, in a small game like this, especially since it's so active, I very much doubt that mafia will be lurking or even inactive. Those are tactics that mafia teams of 6 use for late game survival when it's Day 8 and there's a sea of lurking/inactive players for town to work through. So for forumite and prp go for those easy lynches of lurkers (their cases against SS and Nipple mainly talk about how they're not contributing much and thus they're scum) and don't actually write any real cases against active people. Notice how prp immediately stopped going after my team. And when they finally do vote for an active team, they says "we're going to sleep/can't post anymore today, we vote for them cause we agree with GM" which not only is an example of them trying to sheep a vote but it's also an example of them having to no longer defend their vote since they're off "sleeping"/"Not being here"
This is the last post I'll mention for now, since I've covered everything else already in both my previous posts and this one.
In this post, chaoser says that, since it's so active, he "very much doubts" that mafia will be lurking.
This indirectly pushed suspicion off teams like team nipple, team SS, team Switzerland, and to some extent, team S&G, none of whom at the time had been very active at the time. We now know team Switzerland was town, and teams nipple, SS, and S&G have still not been very active.
Townies should not be excluding possibilities so easily. We cannot simply make ill-reasoned generalizations (again, chaoser, here's your own shitty logic) and ignore activity patterns that could net us scum. Indeed, this post seemed to come across with an agenda, since usually only scum will be interested in letting lurkers slide.
Conclusions
I might be heavily biased, and I accept that, but upon reevaluation I still think chaoser's team is the best lynch today. There is still the possibility that chaoser is town, and in that case it would obviously would be incredibly detrimental to waste more time arguing and potentially risk destroying the thread and letting mafia simply choose one of us to lynch. So, as I went back and reread again I became rather suspicious of both team nipple and team SS as well, and I think they would make good alternates. Nipple has literally done nothing while sandro has been rather difficult to read. Decon has not done much of anything either.
Sandro has said some things I agree with, but also some things I don't. This is rather weird, as I usually agree with almost everything sandro says (when he is town). He also seems to lack in activity. This isn't a huge tell, particularly as his activity was almost nonexistent in SMG, but it certainly is weird because he is definitely here; he has posted several times. I am in agreement with him, for example, that team nipple would make a good lynch today. I didn't really like his no-lynch plan yesterday, and I didn't like some of the other things he said yesterday, either.
In this situation we just need to obtain more information on these teams. I want everyone to post their opinions and their top two lynches for today. If we can agree on at least two choices then that would be some good progress for the day.
GM what are your thoughts?
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On November 07 2011 02:14 sandroba wrote:
Also the fact that I'm still not certain who is scum points toward scum doing a good job. Team chezinu (for being skilled) and team switzerland (for being really inactive) would certainly be a mafia team that fit this scenario. It's also weird that suddenly RoL pops in to call the "rad'wbg still alive" crap, while otherwise saying nothing. He is clearly reading the thread as he shows up when called out, but apparently doesn't have time to say anything about anything else.
Sandro is scum....town sandro is not dumb, he would know team Switzerland is dead.
Rofl @ trying to spin us plus switzerland being a viable scumteam when one half is dead sandro, real convenient.
(I'm on my phone btw, I will address other concerns soon)
##unvote
##vote team SS
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On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:
If you think me and bugs are scum, do the work and build a case against us.
I want to reiterate this.
First of all, if you think we're scum, build a case instead of just saying "oh they're scum cause they're still alive!" That's not a case, and it's not even an admission of fact. It's just baseless speculation.
Second thing I want to reiterate is this:
On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote:
Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me. Since Switzerland is dead, and Nipple is useless, does that mean you are willing to lynch Edward today? Supersoft and Greymist, you guys need to ramp it up.
Despite it being posted multiple times in the thread that Switzerland is dead, sandroba still thinks they are alive.
Can someone tell me when town sandroba is so useless that he doesn't even know who died the previous night?
On November 06 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote:
I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia.
So liquid is our scum partner, is this what you're saying?
LOL.
Decon, there are plenty of teams right now who could potentially be scum. Two teams right now are posting relatively well: the kita half of red21, and team S&G (though their posts are few)
Team Edward, team nipple, and team liquid could all be your buddies, though it makes sense for Team Edward to be so, particularly as chaoser has been slipping in things about scum not being lurkers and inactive. That's rather bullshit, since sandro has just jumped from scummy to scummiest by simply showing ignorance of the night kill.
On November 07 2011 01:07 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think today we need to look at lynching one of edward/SS/nipple.
At least one of those teams is scum, and I think Edward provides the best chance of finding scum there.
@GM, bum thought I was scum, and iGrok thought the sandro team was scum. Other than that there isn't much to go on. what do you think of liquid?
I think they could be scum, but personally I think they're not because sandro and GM went at each other on day 1. I don't think scum would attack each other on day 1 in a game this small. GM looked way more townie than sandro, and sandro basically just said something that only a scum sandro would ever say (that is, something so dumb as to go, wtf?)
Town sandro reads the thread and is relatively active in scumhunting. He uses good reasoning and I almost always agree with 100% of what he's saying. In this game, I agree with maybe 40% and then go ??? on the other 60. Then he says Switzerland+Chezinu would be the best chance for a scum team when it's been reiterated at least twice that Switzerland is dead.
Plus, chaoser and I had a huge argument about what iGrok/bum being dead means and he apparently missed that entire, huge exchange. Only a scum sandroba would just completely neglect reading like that, and as I've said repeatedly, I'm not going to tolerate illiteracy during this game.
On November 07 2011 02:02 sandroba wrote:
@radfield After a parity cop claim there was no reason not to hit you guys. As decon said both our team and igrok's could be much more easily pushed as a lynch today then yours. It IS suspicious that you are alive, since for me you were the logical hit were you town (based on reputation and the amount of effort wbg is putting on this game as you said).
Also, how much are you following this game or talking to wbg? It's really strange that you are both on the same page on chaoser/hyshes, since the case is not that strong imo. Do you agree completely with everything wbg has been saying? He usually plays this agressive and forces the issue, but that's not your style from what I gather.
In the words of Ace,
On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here.
We don't know scum motives, and WIFOMing ourselves into trying to figure out why they didn't shoot us is a nearly pointless discussion. Perhaps they didn't shoot us because we didn't have clout and they wanted to destroy our credibility. Perhaps they shot iGrok and bum because they were blue hunting. Perhaps they didn't shoot us to set up a mislynch on us today. Perhaps they shot iGrok and bum because they had a suspicion of team SS! Who knows? There are multitudes of reasons they could've shot iGrok/bum over us, and leaving out those other reasons to fixate on us is simply bad logic.
I am highly suspicious of team SS+Edward right now, and would be fine with either of them taking the axe today, but I think team SS has become the better choice in light of the simple fact that sandro doesn't know that Switzerland is dead.
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On November 07 2011 03:12 sandroba wrote:
Yeah, I'm scum because I confused team switzerland for w/e name rol's team has, clearly.
Even if you confused it for RoL's team, this post came after Radfield pointed out to you that team Switzerland is dead.
So you admit you haven't even been reading the posts in this thread?
Wtf sandro?
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On November 07 2011 03:41 sandroba wrote:
No, I admit I confused the names. I know igrok+bum are dead but I don't give a fuck about their name of choice. The fact that you are using that as evidence and change your vote to whoever is suspicious of you says a lot about your aligment.
lol
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On November 07 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote:
Wbg, have you and rad been discussing the game at all? How much?
We discussed a bit yesterday and he thought chaoser was the best choice for lynch yesterday. He also found you suspicious for your passive, no lynch plan. He thought, IIRC, that GM is town. (although don't quote me on that) I haven't been able to contact him recently; I know as much about his inactivity as the rest of you (as in, all I know is that he's probably sick)
I agreed with almost everything he said except I was less sure about you. He seemed more sure that your behavior in thread was suspicious. I tend to agree with that now, seeing as you're not really doing anything, and you've displayed a neglect for reading the thread.
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