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On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes.
LOL Red saying yes to both.
Remember PYP:I, red? Where consistently a bunch of us kept saying you were scummy as hell, but ON was reasonable? It seems rather funny that you would be willing to only use one half of the two player unit as a basis for finding scum. Had we done that in PYP:I town would've had ample reason to shoot you in the face night 1.
In answer to GreyMist's question, IMO we should consider the behavior of both players, particularly in cases where one player is known to be hard to read. If that person is paired with a relatively easy read, (damn I wish Mig was in this game hahaha) then I think we should lean more toward the person who is easier to read, for obvious reasons.
The two player unit is very good for town. It provides us more information than we would normally have, as there is more behavior and there are more posts to analyze. Or at least, I hope this is how it turns out. If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed.
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On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.
For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches.
Lynch minus two is three votes.
Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either.
In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch.
Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie.
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On November 03 2011 08:26 prplhz wrote:
wbg we cant just let scum go just because one of them is trying to look town of course we need to think about both players but if one is scum then they should answer for it
I agree, but look at who advocated it: redFF.
I expect that he'll hold himself to that standard.
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On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.
For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches. Lynch minus two is three votes. Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either. In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch. Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie. I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green.
GM are you not understanding what I'm saying?
A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes.
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On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.
For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches. Lynch minus two is three votes. Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either. In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch. Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie. I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green. GM are you not understanding what I'm saying? A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes. gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one.
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I'm suspicious, but I'll let this slide for a sec because something bigger just appeared
On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town.
What in the eff
Pretending you don't know what your role is, is something that scum like to do. You're advocating people split their team up so your team makes less mistakes (townies should not be afraid of making mistakes, but scum should be).
Town don't strive to prevent all mistakes. Town strive to find scum. That's it. On the contrary, it's SCUM who strive to prevent mistakes. They don't want to be caught.
So...not only is your "plan" unworkable, the things you are suggesting we should do are what scum would do, not town.
##vote Team Edward
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On November 03 2011 09:08 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes. LOL Red saying yes to both. Remember PYP:I, red? Where consistently a bunch of us kept saying you were scummy as hell, but ON was reasonable? It seems rather funny that you would be willing to only use one half of the two player unit as a basis for finding scum. Had we done that in PYP:I town would've had ample reason to shoot you in the face night 1. In answer to GreyMist's question, IMO we should consider the behavior of both players, particularly in cases where one player is known to be hard to read. If that person is paired with a relatively easy read, (damn I wish Mig was in this game hahaha) then I think we should lean more toward the person who is easier to read, for obvious reasons. The two player unit is very good for town. It provides us more information than we would normally have, as there is more behavior and there are more posts to analyze. Or at least, I hope this is how it turns out. If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. whatever bro, i was really busy in pypi and barely ever posted. you don't have to be a dick especially when you agree with me. of course we consider the behavior of both players but if one guy is obv scum you dont just go other guy looks town derp.
Except I'm telling you straight up it's more complicated than that, and you should understand it simply because you and ON were that two headed monstrosity of confusion last game.
All game long I remember talking to people (including Mig, Foolish, Kav) who kept saying, damn Jacuzzisplatt is scummy as hell. It was primarily because of you. I saw what they were seeing, but I didn't believe you two were scum because ON posted very reasonably and I talked to him for quite a bit on IRC.
You, on the other hand, couldn't have been scummier.
I think basing our reads on both players is necessary, but with the caveat that if we have conflicting reads on the two halves we need to take the one that's easier to read into account.
Ex. if an incredibly easy-to-read player A looks scummy while his partner B (who is much harder to read) looks town then we should give more weight to the scum half.
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On November 03 2011 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please.
hiiiiiiii 
Why don't you provide one, kita?
I'm waiting for chaoser to show up. He's probably working again.
Also, while flirting is fun, I'm faithful to Radfield. He's sick right now (and I think he blames me) but loyalty is number 1! Rainbow Dash would never let a wonderful partner and best friend like Radfield down.
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that's a metric assload of -'s. And you use "|"? Wtf it took me like 20 seconds just to find that on my keyboard.
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On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum.
While I agree that it is annoying, since when has this been a good reason for someone to be scum?
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On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead?
For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here.
On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan. You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide... Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts?
You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh.
I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm.
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I just realized Forumite is partners with prpl LOL
no wonder he wouldn't consider that a possibility
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On November 03 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here. On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan. You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide... Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts? You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh. I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm. And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan? I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more. But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts.
I agree with you, once chaoser starts posting we'll have a better idea.
However, the issue is not the plan about reading PMs. The issue is the fact that he's concerned about covering up mistakes, or preventing mistakes. Townies don't actively try to prevent or cover up mistakes; they're not concerned with getting "caught" (oh I caught a townie! yay!). Rather, scum should be afraid of getting caught.
There were no pro-town aspects to his plan. Sure, plans can be bad, but the merit of the plan is not what we're talking about. For the most part, I don't give a flying shit about 95% of plans. (ex. I don't care for your jailkeeper idea; I'm with sandro on that) However, I do care about motivation. A plan could be bad, but if it's pushed forth with town motivation I don't care, I have the information I need, and what matters is that we stuff the plan in the face so we don't have to deal with it.
On the other hand, if a plan is anti-town and it seems to be pushed forward with an agenda that we need to be concerned of, I get suspicious.
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Hey guys, I've been sleeping and at class. I have plenty of time to procrastinate before all my work is due tomorrow  (oh the joys of Fridays)
Anyway, let's get into this.
First of all, I like some of the ideas that have been put forth since I've been gone. I also like some of the reactions, since they obviously indicate a decent level of involvement in this game. However, I still think the hyshes/chaoser is a good bet for a lynch today, and I'll elaborate on this in a bit. First, some background:
On November 04 2011 03:55 sandroba wrote:
You are wrong GM, sorry. Lynching is only good for town when it hits scum. The process is good for town regardless, but going ahead with it is only favorable depending on results.
From an optimization stand point regarding the setup I guarantee you town's chances are higher if we prolong the game by one night.
I think sandro is right that lynching is only good if it hits scum (for really obvious reasons). As Kita pointed out, we have this:
On November 04 2011 03:59 kitaman27 wrote:7v2 Mislynch 5v2 Mislynch 3v2 LYLO 7v2 No lynch 6v2 No lynch 5v2 Mislynch 3v2 LYLO Essentially we are trading 1 mislynch for 48 hours of disccusion, during which nobody is threatened because they know there won't be a lynch. The odds of hitting scum statistically are unfavorable every day. That doesn't mean you don't try. Show nested quote +I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case Or you could try to come up with a more convincing case yourself. We agree the prpl one is bad, how about the other 6 teams?
HOWEVER, I highly disagree with this:
On November 04 2011 03:55 sandroba wrote:
I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case
Sandro why are you so passive? You should be working toward getting a lynch, not ensuring that we no-lynch. We have to lynch two scum at some point. Sitting around and advocating a no-lynch takes pressure off scum, because while a no-lynch guarantees that town will not get lynched, it guarantees scum won't either!
What do scum have to fear if they know that the town is not seeking a lynch today? It's not beneficial for town at all unless we have lynch candidates we're discussing. The no-lynch should be employed, in my opinion, by putting votes on a suspicious person, and then removing them when it's clear that they have reacted in a townie manner under that pressure.
So far, hyshes and chaoser are under very little pressure. I voted for them, and I think one other team did. When chaoser came in, he didn't say very many things to establish he is town. He attempted to defend his partner but kinda failed and got really mad:
On November 04 2011 03:10 chaoser wrote:
Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.
From what I have experienced, townies get hostile and mad when defending themselves, but chaoser is an exception. As town he is generally calmer than this, and he uses reason.
In this instance, of course we knew hyshes's objectives. Hyshes wanted to be hailed in the thread (as he said himself.) What purpose does this serve? Well, if he's scum, it takes a lot of early game pressure off him because he submitted a "good plan" and then isn't receiving pressure for not providing much later on, or even purposely misleading town. Right now, hyshes has been MIA for a while, letting chaoser take the pressure for a bit. I imagine they will switch turns again soon.
I already posted why I think hyshes's post came off with scum motivation, so I'm not going to bother repeating that here.
Regarding the No-lynch Plan
I give the hyshes/chaoser team a very good chance to flip scum. As I said earlier, I think a no-lynch would be good in the case that we're gunning for a townie. However, I sincerely believe that we are not dealing with that right now.
I imagine that even if hyshes and chaoser aren't scum, we stand to gain a lot just by looking at how the vote unfolds. Day 1 information is vital, and with a good candidate for lynch we should only avoid lynching them when we're absolutely certain the information lost will be outweighed by the benefit of having that extra townie, and the extra day.
So, to answer this:
On November 03 2011 18:02 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 12:00 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for. yes okay i agree. my "plan" is a bit lame. it's a process that uses the game mechanics in an unfair way. but i guess, posting the logs to avoid a lynch will happen anyway, unless it's forbidden. no further discussion needed. (do the extra work, scummers!) okay next point is GM accusing team Viking. Prplhz is from denmark and hes no anglistic expert. i dont mind some minor mistakes and i do them, too. i know you say he's doing that interpunctuation mistakes on purpose, and you say that a townie has no reason to be hard to understand. i think however, that scum has no reason to be hard to understand, too. therefor... @wbg: who is the scummiest team in your eyes right now?
Hyshes and chaoser.
Sandro is scummy because his plan makes sense but his motivations and behavior do not. This is how I felt about his plan in PYP:I (and he was scum there) but he's so passive again. At this point there isn't enough information on him; the information we have, IMO, is conflicting and unreliable. PYP:I was a PM game, this is not, and so I don't feel comfortable using that meta, but I think it's a potential lead nonetheless.
GM I thought was scummy earlier, but his recent reactions have made him look more town. His posts are like what I would've expected from him as town. If you look at SMG where he smurfed and was scum, he backed off from the spotlight a little (probably because he was afraid of being caught) instead of boldly going out there and just throwing his opinion into the thread. GM as town doesn't back off when he's faced with confrontational or conflicting opinions. You can see that here.
Finally, you need to seriously learn how to use meta. I find it hilarious how people think meta carries one to one between PM and non-PM games (and that's just one example; tons of things can affect a person's behavior from game to game)
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oh last thing I didn't post in there (fuckin posted instead of preview damn it. RAAAGE)
Hyshes has been active in the newbie game over the past few hours but not in here. So, he's around. But he's kinda "cooling off" in here. I find that pretty strange.
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On November 04 2011 05:36 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +From what I have experienced, townies get hostile and mad when defending themselves, but chaoser is an exception. As town he is generally calmer than this, and he uses reason. In Death Factory Mafia when people falsely accused me of being mafia for shitty reasons (He's defending himself! He's mafia! Only mafia do that!) I got pissed and I pushed everyone to the edge, then mafia flipped the flames, and everyone died. And I laughed. I laughed for a good three hours. I still laugh when I go back to read that game. So your meta reads on me are completely wrong. Says my team is scummy, doesn't vote for us. ???
I did vote for you. You ARE team Edward, right?
On November 04 2011 03:10 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:04 prplhz wrote:
RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.
I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason. First of all, that game was only a mafia win because Aidnai decided to WIFOM himself into voting with someone THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots. Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote:
I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here. Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea. Secondly how am I trying to shut down discussion? I said the "post your team convo lawl plan" was bullshit and not playing to the spirit of the game and that I wouldn't stand for it. Palmer decided he agreed and added in the new rule, I then said that a mafia mind doesn't generally think up stupid shitty plans. Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies. Dumb play/=Mafia. Where in any of the things that I just said does "HE IS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION!" come into play? I'm actually ADDING to discussion by pointing out my opinions.Show nested quote +Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.
Sound a little angry/overly defensive there, bro.
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On November 04 2011 05:57 chaoser wrote:Not really. Bro. I'm sorry if all caps to you is shouting, it can be used as emphasis to some point as well.
I doubt this when you seemed to miss my vote on you.
Why are you so hasty to relieve the pressure off yourself? Almost like you're panicking.
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On November 04 2011 06:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 05:57 chaoser wrote:Sound a little angry/overly defensive there, bro. Not really. Bro. I'm sorry if all caps to you is shouting, it can be used as emphasis to some point as well. I doubt this when you seemed to miss my vote on you. Why are you so hasty to relieve the pressure off yourself? Almost like you're panicking. lol, this is death factory mafia all over again. "Why are you defending yourself? That must mean you're panicking! You're MAFIA!" Obviously townies would defend themselves/try to get pressure off of themselves so that there's not a mislynch and the focus can be put to better use. Wtf kind of logic is that...
No, I don't have a problem with you defending yourself. I have a problem with how you're doing it.
You misconstrue what I say into saying I have shitty logic. I never asked you why you're defending yourself. I'm asking why you look like you're buckling under pressure. You're acting like scum who wants someone to accuse so that they don't have to take the heat. Can't handle the heat, chaoser?
To be completely clear, you "defended" yourself by claiming I never voted for you, in an attempt to push suspicion off yourself onto me. Finally, you proceed to attack me on the basis that I'm calling you scum because you defended yourself. That's not true either.
On November 04 2011 08:01 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:00 iGrok wrote:
If you don't see it, that on you :p
Or this could be one of those times that I'm pulling something out of thin air. I don't see how referring to another game says something?
Oh look, hyshes shows up but doesn't actually comment on what's going on.
Hyshes+chaoser are still the best choice.
On November 04 2011 07:33 iGrok wrote:
Lay off chaoser/hyshes for being defensive, even if they are scum, defending yourself is not a scumslip and people who look for that piss me off.
-_- iGrok read more carefully.
Hyshes has been completely neutral on the subject of lynching him and chaoser crumbles under pressure. I'm not attacking him for defending himself, I'm attacking him because he's acting like scum who wants a scapegoat instead of facing all the pressure.
While I think some of the things sandro has said are weird so far, I don't think he's the best vote.
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On November 04 2011 09:39 deconduo wrote:Yeah you're scum. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.
For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches. Lynch minus two is three votes. Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either. In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch. Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie. I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green. GM are you not understanding what I'm saying? A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes. gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one. ... I'm suspicious, but I'll let this slide for a sec because something bigger just appeared On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. What in the eff Pretending you don't know what your role is, is something that scum like to do. You're advocating people split their team up so your team makes less mistakes (townies should not be afraid of making mistakes, but scum should be). Town don't strive to prevent all mistakes. Town strive to find scum. That's it. On the contrary, it's SCUM who strive to prevent mistakes. They don't want to be caught. So...not only is your "plan" unworkable, the things you are suggesting we should do are what scum would do, not town. ##vote Team Edward Dumb doesn't mean scum. This is a terrible reason for voting someone. Anyone who comes up with a bad plan is usually town if you look at past games. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here. On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan. You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide... Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts? You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh. I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm. And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan? I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more. But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts. This. Its a new player with an ill-thought out plan. As for Sandroba's No-Lynch day 1 plan, it has merits but as has been pointed out you shouldn't declare a no-lynch at the start of the day as all the extra scumhunting time is just wasted. The only exception to this would be a mylo situation where a mislynch would be a loss and a no-lynch would give an extra round of night actions.
What's with people today and putting words in my mouth?
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On November 04 2011 09:59 hyshes wrote:@wbg: I did not have to feeling i had to add anything on what my teammate said. That's why i lack in posting. btw, for someone who is calling out that someone else is in panic, you also give kinda a panic reaction. any chance you explain why you are so afraid that your words are misunderstanded?
Nah, I'm not afraid that I'm being misunderstood. I'm just really annoyed with working with people who can't read.
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On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND
lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super.
I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super?
For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless.
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