Newbie Mini Mafia - Page 2

On November 03 2011 03:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Sorry for the three posts in a row, I've kinda been responding to things I think I should respond to as I read the thread.

....What? I'm really going to need a much more thorough analysis of how you think Ciryandor is scum. Additionally, I want to know why in the hell you think either Ciryandor or Toad could be scum if Drem is, considering Ciryandor called out Drem's posts as something to keep an eye on, and now we have Toad being the first vote of the day and placing it on Drem. I really want to hear how this makes the slightest bit of sense to you.

On November 03 2011 04:15 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:

Risk and I both made one post putting a small amount of suspicion on each other, does that mean we're scum buddies? Oh wait! He flipped green!

But seriously hyshes, you're going to have to make a much more solid case than that if you want me to believe those 3 are scum. Since I am not on your list of scum, I assume you'd want to get me voting in line with you, so please prove it by giving some actual analysis.

As for this:

So he either should have voted him or explicitly typed FOS? He clearly stated in his voting post his preferred order was Skrammen over Drem, and he can't vote for both. I wasn't aware you need to type out FOS to let people know you are suspicious of someone, I thought saying "hey, this person has done a ton of suspicious shit which I have listed and explained here" is much stronger than saying nothing but a line or two and FOS on whoever.

On November 03 2011 04:40 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@hyshes
What about hackle being scum? Surely you don't have enough info on him to tell whether he is scum or town yet, how would he not offer an alternative explanation? I know you are claiming that is the only explanation you can figure out, but since on my reading of the thread I don't see it, can you please spell it out for me a bit more? Pointing out specific posts and parts of posts that you think make them seem scummy, and implicate them in risk's death would be appreciated.

On November 03 2011 07:14 Toadesstern wrote:

Actually I don't remember what I wanted to say with my second sentence and it's not making sense, guess I wanted to change this with these? :D
I'd say it's something like:

On November 03 2011 07:21 Toadesstern wrote:

Yeah and that's the reason why I changed my mind and started believing you. The thing that's weird right now still is this post:

I still think it's wrong and so does harb. Probably a couple other guys too. I'm just not sure why you posted it :p

On November 03 2011 11:17 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@hyshes
Have you reconsidered your 3 scum picks yet? If Ciry and Drem are both scum, why would Ciry now be voting for and bringing intense scrutiny to Drem? Do you honestly think that mafia would be bussing one of their players on day 2?

On November 03 2011 15:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I was thinking of waiting until I have some more info, but the more I look at it the more confident I am.

Hyshes is SCUM

Why do I say this? To start, let's begin with some simple facts:
1) The only people with knowledge of this game not contained within this thread are scum, or a detective.
2) People with the same knowledge, reading the same thread, should come to similar conclusions, and these conclusions should converge as time passes and information accumulates.

And then Hyshes drops this on us:

Well what in the fuck is that? Ciry is near the top of most people's town lists. Now we have Hyshes listing him as scum?

Then there is Toad, this guy is very active, answers anything asked of his immediately, and his posting method seems to be make the post, and double post if he needs to edit it. That carefree and transparent posting manner seems pretty townie to me. Given that besides Hyshes only Drem and Skrammen have called any suspicion on Toad so far today, and even they do not put him on top of their lists. I think it is clear at least most people do not see Toad as very scummy right now.

As for Drem...well, he is actually a target for some. Perhaps he was included to try to give some more credibility to this list? Also, given this: + Show Spoiler + It is also not entirely out of the question that Hyshes is willing to indict a fellow scum, although I would not say it is the most likely.

So how could his list make sense? I think we have three options here:
1) He is a dt, checked Ciry, and Ciry came up red. We are not even guaranteed to have a dt, and if we did I would find it absurd that they would check Ciry first. I will be generous and give this 1% probability.
2) His reading comprehension is awful at best, and he therefore managed to come to a conclusion very different from anyone else. This is a newbie game, and his country listed on his profile isn't an english speaking one, so I will again be very generous, and give this a 9% chance.
3) He is scum and his list makes sense because he knows who really is scum, and because he wants to do as much as possible to discredit and cast suspicion on townies. I give this the remaining 90% probability.

So, just from that it is looking very likely to me that Hyshes is scum, but let's go into some more detail. I will present my arguments in order of what I think their strength is, with the strongest ones first.

What about his overall presence in the game?
+ Show Spoiler +
Next, let's investigate his issues regarding the vote deadline:
+ Show Spoiler +
How about his lovely analysis to support his position?
+ Show Spoiler +
Now, lets take a look at his day 1 voting:
+ Show Spoiler +
And now his day 2 voting:
+ Show Spoiler +

In conclusion, Hyshes is SCUM, lynch him.

##Vote Hyshes

On November 03 2011 22:52 Toadesstern wrote:

if you flip green we know exactly nothing except for the fact that you've pulled an emo here. It's not like harbs red because he went for you. If that'd true EVERYONE has to be red in here because everyone once accused someone (I guess)
If you flip red we know why you did it.

On November 04 2011 02:22 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Well, I was expecting to see some form of defense when I came back, not some dramatic martyring.

Also, Hyshes, I regret to inform you that from the rules:
4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.

On November 04 2011 02:41 Toadesstern wrote:
that unvote isn't chaning a thing. You still tried (don't know if you knew about the rule or not) and if we now just stop voting for you we will establish a game were everyone who's accused to be mafia can just vote for himself, unvote himself later on and therefore we got to unvote you too? That's just still not makeing sense at all.