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On October 12 2011 12:55 kitaman27 wrote: kp roles may not be as important, but I do think there is value in the Ace role. Essentially everyone can be forced to claim that they are town in the thread and the role becomes the Dreamflower role, without the penalty of death if you are incorrect. This idea is very good. It makes the Ace role godly, 2 shot vig that can only hit mafia. At the beginning of the day everyone should be required to claim town so that the person with Ace isn't required to role claim and force people to say it. | ||
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I mean how exactly do you expect Ace to be able to prove it? Does he hook up a polygraph machine to his suspect? He shows the host something the person says, if it is a lie the shot goes through if it is the truth it doesn't. I mean please tell me what other way the role could possibly work. Duh | ||
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1) I put a lot of effort in whenever I play. I haven't posted much in the thread so far but I have talked to a lot of people for extended periods of time on irc/skype. If I am mayor people will always be able to get ahold of me and I will always discuss with them my ideas and thoughts. If anyone wants to add me on skype/aim my names are migcom123. Or they can pm me and I will respond to them. Along with this I am on irc a ton and I generally pm a lot of people myself to get their opinions (although I haven't done so yet). 2) Here is the biggest point by far for why I am the best mayor candidate. Transparency. I am a very strong town player and a horrible scum player. This isn't an opinion this is fact. In 10+ games as town I have never been lynched, in fact I am not sure I have ever even been voted for after day1. As scum I have been lynched 3 out of the 4 games I have played. Everyone is going to be able to see that I am town very easily and if not I will be an easy lynch. There is a reason syllo already is convinced I am town. Me and syllo talk very regularly on skype and he knows me well. Unless you think we fluked into me and him being on the same scum team and now we are taking the massive risk to tie ourselves together strongly then he truly believes I am town. If you elect someone like wiggles/radfield/chaoser you may get a very good townie as mayor but you also run the risk of electing someone who is also very good at scum and who could use their position to mislead the town. You don't have that risk electing me. Advice 1) Adjust what you are looking for and spend more time looking for townies. Seeing someone do a traditional analyses and getting a scum lynched would normally almost confirm them as town. At the beginning of this game it means practically nothing. So look for ideas and plans that can only benefit the town and hurt the scum as a whole. Wiggles is right in that much of day1 is kind of useless. Sandroba/Radfield could create those plans very easily as scum. But there are a few smaller things that people proposed which were extremely beneficial to only town and harmful for scum. So look for those if you can find 5-6 people you think are very likely town then suddenly your odds of lynching correctly go through the roof. 2) Turtle hardcore. Just like in SC2 or any other last man standing FFA game the correct strategy for us is to turtle and hope our enemies kill each other. Which means a few things A) Green checks are more valuable than red ones early in the game. DTs I don't believe should be checking suspicious people early on. DTs should check people they think are likely town, not likely to be framed/gf and could possibly be protective roles. Then try to organize these protections to protect each other and insure mafia are not. Obviously there is always a risk of your check not being true so use your own discretion before claiming but forming small circles of mostly confirmed townies and trying to survive until the end game is how we will win. Remember we cannot win, even if we lynch correctly everyday, if the mafia do not shoot each other and we get some protections. Our goal should be to keep each other alive and let the mafias do much of our work for us. B) No DT should ever claim, unless we are very far into the game, to get a red lynched. And in fact make sure not to push in a way that could even make people suspect you as a dt. Almost half the people in the game are red, a 1-1 trade dt for red is horrible for us so use caution. Day 1 lynch. First I will say that obviously I will be reading the entire thread and I will use everything before making my decision but I intend to focus the most on the other mayor candidates. I disagree with Radfield's idea that there is a good chance some scum teams wont run for mayor. Unless the scum team has a group of players who don't think they can possibly win election then I think they will all send out at least 1 candidate, the benefits of having bodyguards is insanely good for mafia since they are also afraid of the other scum teams. And especially with there potentially being multiple roles which can block checks I doubt they will be that afraid to run. Because of this I believe the mayor candidates will have an above average % of scum. I want it to be clear, I would not policy lynch a random mayor candidate. I will look at everything closely in case anything is obvious but I will focus most of my attention on the runners. Pardoner I will never use my power to pardon anyone other than if some power is used. If I think someone is very strongly town I will argue my ass off in the thread to try and save them but I think pardoning them in most scenarios is only going to lead the town into confusion and the likely deaths of other townies. | ||
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Dropbear I think is very likely to not be scum, he is just an idiot. First of all he clearly didn't claim scum he says we can work together to eliminate the 2 other scum factions. Implying that he is town and expects to be contacted by a 3rd mafia faction. Second of all what are the odds that he as scum claims in thread he is going to take framer and then posts that in thread to get ahold of other mafia? Why wouldn't he do it secretly and use pms to contact people he wanted to ally with? Exactly what mafia motivation does he have for doing these things? It is just a retarded gambit by db to lure scum out but really it has virtually 0% chance of success and its going to fuck up the thread. And I don't want to wake up to 10 pages of everyone screaming for his blood over this so I will just reveal it now. He told me this in irc. Here are the logs + Show Spoiler + [00:10] [00:10] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:12] [00:14] [00:14] [00:15] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:18] [00:18] [00:18] [00:18] So yea my advice is to ignore dropbear's idiocy. | ||
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Addressing a few points brought up 1) I never said people should not analyze, don't be dense. I said you should spend more time analyzing other townies I even gave a brief idea of the types of things people should be looking for instead of using traditional scum hunting as their basis for determining someone's townieness. And I will do plenty of scum hunting, I will put my track record of scum hunting up against almost anyone's. No one should have any concerns about that. 2) My day 0 posting has been bashed a little bit. Take a second and actually look at my day 0 posting. I did not post 5000 times about plans that everyone has agreed now are pretty much null tells. However, I did support kita's idea of turning Ace into a vigi that could only shoot mafia and I brought up the point that JOAT should not be delegated because it is the easiest role for mafia to drop to their teammates. Neither of these are major points but they both ONLY help town and harm mafia. I am not trying to put on some act to appear pro town I posted when I saw something that could be guaranteed to directly help the town and not mafia. Outside of that I have already talked extensively to at least half the town on irc/skype/etc. And I will talk to anyone who wants to talk to me. If you have your doubts about me being town then message me on skype/irc/aim/etc. I will discuss ideas and give my opinions to anyone. If you don't want to take syllo or sandroba's word that I am likely town that's fine. Message me yourself and we can discuss any concerns you have. | ||
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However, I am still the best candidate to be mayor. I have talked to a huge amount of the town at length on irc/skype/etc. Does anyone who has talked to me think I am scum? Everyone I have talked to for a long time thinks I am probably town. So if anyone thinks I am scum then please post in the thread and why. Right now there are only 3 real candidates me/greymist/radfield. Radfield is a very good player but some people do suspect him, some people trust greymist but to be fair he is a new player. I on the other hand most people think I am town and I am a good veteran player. And as I said in my original mayor post I am very very transparent and it is easy to tell when I am town. So if anyone disagrees with this and thinks I am scum from talking to me I would really like to hear it. Anyway at this point all mayor candidates should have a good idea who they will lynch day 1 If I am elected mayor I intend on lynching chaoser. Chaoser - First of all ran for mayor which I believe should automatically be seen as suspicious since the scum teams have a very strong motivation to all run. Along with that his posting and scum hunting has been well below his normal levels. When I asked him about this in skype he gave reasons such as, being busy at work and not being used to pm games. These reasons could be true but normally chaoser is very very confident when he plays. I find it weird that he feels he has to justify his play with outside reasons at all when normally I think he would just brush it off. After that I asked chaoser who he suspected was scum and he came up with his attack on db. His attack on db was extremely half-assed and poorly thought out, way way below his normal excellent scum hunting ability. In fact just a few minutes later he back peddled on db deciding he was wrong. When I said ok well who is scum then and he just gave me a vague criteria he finds suspicious but no solid names and no other names. Normally chaoser is a very strong scum hunter, he even bragged about it as the main reason to vote him in his mayor post. So where is the scum hunting? Finally from the people I have talked to most of them support chaoser being lynched. This might normally be a red flag but I think it is actually good in this setup. The other 2 scum teams will be actively scum hunting during the day to appear pro town and to eliminate their competition and I believe they have also come to the conclusion that chaoser is scum. Chaoser has done 1 very half assed attempt at scum hunting and nothing else. He has given the town 0 strong opinions on anyone. He feels the need to make excuses to justify his play and is overall just very scummy he needs to die! Vote Mig for mayor and a chaoser lynch! | ||
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Whether I prefer mayor or pardoner I don't care that much honestly. Mayor you know who bgs are and double vote are both extremely power late game. Pardoner is most important to deny from scum hands. But at this point I think there is a good chance Radfield is also town. So town should decide who they trust more and make them pardoner between us. I would say I slightly prefer pardoner since I know for sure I am town and I can't be completely sure of Rad. Anyway and since I can't vote myself I will be voting Rad. | ||
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I have my doubts about the chaoser lynch which I have said multiple times and I have said it to a lot of people, kita, wbg etc. I have been talking to everyone possible about what is the best lynch. So trying to portray this as mig is trying to kill me after I tell him my role is retarded. | ||
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[17:20] [17:24] <@QQmore> probably chaoser still [17:24] <@QQmore> erandorr [17:24] <@QQmore> wiggles [17:24] <@QQmore> still suspicious of sandroba [17:24] <@QQmore> heist probably qq = foolish Bum is in thread. Kita 14:05] [14:06] [14:06] [14:06] [14:06] [14:07] [14:07] I have not lied about anything | ||
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Here I will just say someone has told me that prplhz claimed vanilla and said he took dreamflower. Like so on one hand I had your claim on the other I have prplhz claiming to take df pretty much the only role possible that only townies would take so wtf am I supposed to think? I have been asking every person I talk to who they think the best lynch is. I have heard some people say hiro and such but the majority of people have said you. I have no lied about anything. And if I was scum I really doubt I would be putting the amount of time and effort into this that I have. | ||
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And yes prphz could be lying but then couldn't you also be lying? Why would prplhz lie about taking df that high up? He would be found out ridiculously easily. | ||
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Right now I really do not like wiggles, meapak or foolish. Foolish your entire goal and all your play day1 was centered around not getting shot. Well now that that has happened maybe you could actually post your opinions and thoughts on people? It really doesn't matter if you survive in the game if you are completely useless constantly. Your support of greymist over a more experienced candidate was also hella shady. If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected, greymist would be a much safer choice for them to push. Wiggles you pop in don't comment on foolish, meapak, anything of relevance and then disappear. Have you taken a single strong stance on a player being scum this entire game? You have tons of completely useless posts and posts concerning the game setup. 0 that actually concern finding scum. Along with that you tell everyone they need to be more active in thread and do scum hunting there yet you have done absolutely none of it yourself. Meapak - You have also been completely useless and have done absolutely no scum hunting whatsoever. Palmar's analysis against you was very accurate. Who do you think is scum, what do you think about wiggles/jackal/foolish? I will be voting one of the 3 people that I have mentioned for lynch today. | ||
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I think Jimbo is less suspicious than the other 3 but he is certainly suspect. | ||
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And who do you think is scum? Who do you plan on voting for this lynch? | ||
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I do know he claims that you have claimed to him, is this true? And he has not told me what your role is but he has told me it would be powerful for scum. Do you agree with that statement? | ||
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Also lol at thinking rad is being manipulated. And you act like a possible leak has crippled town. Last I checked 5-6 scum are most likely going to be dead after 2 days here. So please lay off the fear mongering. We are clearly not in a bad position lol. Now more importantly instead of just defending yourself, who is scum and why? You talk about being busy behind the scenes yes? So what have you accomplished? Where is your analysis? Instead of giving us 1 line about how you would probably vote sandroba how about actually giving us some details? | ||
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First of all I don't think my logic is wrong however I never said it was the only reason I was suspicious of you. Scum do not always play 100% optimally anyway, decon is likely scum and he voted radfield, but I really don't know how you can argue that mafia would ever want radfield in power. So understand it makes you more suspicious but by no means do I assume it automatically means you are scum just for that. Also where is this bashing coming from? You are trying to say I have had no opinions this game and I just follow what others tell me? I have to disagree with that. And so what your suggestion is we start to kill people in the mayor circle in the hopes of finding the leak, also we should be killing from the top of the list why exactly? How about since you think we have so many problems with leaks we just rely on analysis instead of roles? You have spent almost 2 full days in your own little pm circle and you haven't posted in the thread whatsoever before now. So what I want to know is where is the information you have gained? What are your opinions on meapak/wiggles? After 2 days the only thing I hear from you is we should shoot sandroba because he could be the leak and because his activity has changed. Is that really all you have? | ||
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The only way Meapak is not red is if he was framed, at this point I am not even sure there is a framer in the game. Even if there was a framer they would have had to frame Meapak instead of protecting one of their own players. There is 0 reason not to lynch Meapak. His play has been scummy, the fact that role swapper swapped kenpahci's role (who had posted 0 times and nobody knew his role) instead of meapaks is hella suspect. And we have a red check! We cannot say for sure whether jimbo is scum it is stupid to try and lynch him, we do know with almost 100% certainty that meapak is scum. | ||
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Death to Meapak! | ||
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Foolish/Jimbo were york Jimbo's invention somehow masked their flips and changed their alignments. He created this in the hopes we would dt check foolish and he would return house of chezinu confusing us. Jimbo claimed to me that he would give me his invention but then did not. This indicates that most likely his invention was not intended to benefit the town. Bill_Murray is actually just a cover to hopefully confuse us and that is why it has posted once and then just disappeared. Along with that the check result on jimbo was 12 hours late and the OP has not been updated, and my question about the invention has not been answered. All of this leads me to believe that it was an invention which screwed things up and the hosts hadn't really considered how they would deal with it. sinani/supersoft are Tudor. First decon said this to foolish. [16:45] [16:45] [16:45] [16:45] [16:45]  If this statement is the truth then supersoft/sinani fit that (possibly also wbg or some of the dreamflowers but I am going to dismiss them for now) Along with that supersoft has claimed hider a role that is HORRIBLE for town in this setup. If the hider is town and hides behind mafia they die so picking that role in a setup with 40%+ mafia would be beyond horrible. It would make Jackal's pick of Ackbar look genius in comparison. Along with that supersoft can be decently active and helpful if he wants, he has given the town absolutely nothing this game and has just lurked constantly. He is virtually guaranteed mafia. 2nd sinani has about 3 posts so I have no real way to know he is for sure mafia but by process of elimination he fits and he has absolutely nothing townie wise going for him. Definitely the next best candidate to fit. One of sandroba/prplhz is Lancaster If we assume no kp is missing then either A) wiggles forgot to send in his protection n1 (unlikely but possible) or B) they decided to protect another target that was likely to be shot. Sandroba and prplhz both fit that possibility. Prplhz and cyber_cheese were the only 2 people to ask syllo who should be shot n1 and syllo told cheese he was very suspicious of prplhz still so there is some chance they were afraid prplhz would be shot. But we then have to assume prplhz made an insanely ballsy and lucky lie by claiming he took df and got vanilla at 16. WBG told multiple people he wanted to kill sandroba n1 and there was a decent sentiment that he might be shot so perhaps they felt they had to protect him. Things that can screw everything to hell There is somehow a framer still living and he has fucked up a bunch of checks. I have tried to think through every possible scenario where wbg/jacuzzi/heist/hiro/etc could be framer and none of it makes sense. Right now I believe there is no framer. Kenpachi took nkvd as mafia at #2 for some ridiculous reason. So our best plan now is to kill supersoft and sinani today. They are the 2 most likely to flip mafia, especially supersoft. Once we see their flips we can decide on what our best plan of action for the night is. | ||
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If foolish/jimbo were either tudor/york and we have eliminated 1 family then if we kill 2 scum today it ensures another one is gone. Prplhz and sandroba at least have somethings which could possibly make them town. Sinani and supersoft have done absolutely nothing to make me consider them town. Kill them they are our best chance of killing 2 scum today. | ||
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And what do you mean I am not even interested? I had to send you a pm asking you who you hid behind. And I have answered your pms I have not ignored you, that is bs. | ||
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And yes I told people traditional scum hunting alone doesn't make someone a townie but not scum hunting certainly makes people look scummy. Look at chaoser/wiggles/meapak/deconduo. None of them did any real scum hunting and shockingly they all turned out to be scum! | ||
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KP for all Houses is always 1. | ||
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Also Rad I disagree with the idea that Jimbo could be a framed townie. Jimbo claimed an hour before flips that he would give me an invention and it would either be some sort of medic or kp. He didn't so I think we have to assume his invention was most likely meant to be anti town. | ||
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Kenpachi is the last scum. Game over! | ||
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So everyone vote and murder him. | ||
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There was a huge amount of powerful roles never picked. JOAT/NRA member/Meth Man/ Jail Keeper/ Veteran/ Framer/Hero/Assassin/kingmaker/etc all never chosen. Oh and who did wiggles protect n1? We thought so much on who the last lancaster could be because we couldn't figure out who wiggles would protect over cheese/chaoser. | ||
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The reason I trusted Syllo so much early on was that he came to me with a plan where I would take DT and he would take NKVD and we would then both run for mayor in the hopes of getting elected. I couldn't imagine syllo as scum trying to get me to take dt and become mayor so I thought right away he was most likely town, this is also a big part of why I trusted sandroba early. After picks went out syllo claimed vanilla to me which just reaffirmed he had actually tried to take NKVD and was very likely town. That combined with just talking to him for many hours over skype. The radfield trust mainly came from just talking to him a ton then finding out he took bullet bill an extremely pro town role. And the fact he quickly managed to play a large part in killing scum from all 3 families lol. But at the beginning neither of us trusted each other and rad even thought I was initially scum. This setup and it being a PM game made it very hard for mafia because like kita said a lot of roles told so much about alignment, bullet bill, dt, df. But along with that to win in a setup like this mafia absolutely must be active and infiltrate some town circles to try and influence them. Sandroba was literally the only mafia to even try to gain our trust and because of it he had way way more information than he should have. But most of the mafia sat back and did very little in pm land. | ||
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Foolish contributed absolutely nothing that the town or anyone besides the 2 people he talked to could see. He did 0 scum hunting in thread, didn't build a single case against anyone, didn't do any analysis and barely pmd any of us at all. And when I did actually see logs of him talking to people he said ridiculous things like he thought radfield was town but wanted greymist as mayor, wtf? When I asked him for his opinions or any information he had gathered at all he said I didn't need to know and I could ask radfield to prove how helpful he had been. When I asked rad I was told that foolish hadn't been helpful at all. What enormous impact did foolish make for the town? Jimbo caught chaoser/cheese then all the rest of the lynches/vig shots were organized by our circle. Foolish refused to give anyone besides the 2 people he talked to any information whatsoever and he never posted in thread. He didn't really impact anything that happened, besides the fact that he was so unhelpful that nearly everyone in the game was suspicious of him. Concerning the public irc me/syllo/radfield barely used it and I would say it didn't really effect anything. Every game decision was made in private irc or skype. | ||
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Explain to me why it is so incredibly important to keep everything secret when nothing is accomplished by it and it leads the town to suspect you. And I thought foolishness play looked very much like mafia. We had logs where he said Radfield, one of the best players on TL, was probably town but he didn't want him mayor. Instead he pushed for greymist to be mayor, a new player that would be easy to manipulate and is absolutely 0 threat to the mafia. I mean even if you are worried about rad talking too much who cares? It isn't like he still won't catch scum just through his analysis, why wouldn't your protect him? Along with that he didn't strongly push for any of his opinions, didn't do any scum hunting and was instead content to sit back and coast by while other people were active. So he contributed absolutely nothing and pushed for an election which was horrible for town. I know everyone likes complex schemes and setting traps but the most important thing any townie can do is to make it obvious that they are actually town. In the end this game was really just about process of elimination and we killed everyone who hadn't either A) been dt checked or B) made it really obvious they were town. And foolish didn't do anything at all to show he was town. | ||
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