Pick Your Power Interesting!

On October 16 2011 10:43 Mig wrote:
You have a role that could benefit mafia or town.......

On October 16 2011 10:46 Mig wrote:
Chaoser acts like he told me he took dreamflower and I am trying to lynch him for it. He told me his role and it is not overwhelming pro town.

I have my doubts about the chaoser lynch which I have said multiple times and I have said it to a lot of people, kita, wbg etc. I have been talking to everyone possible about what is the best lynch. So trying to portray this as mig is trying to kill me after I tell him my role is retarded.

On October 16 2011 10:52 Mig wrote:
Ok so if someone takes rockstar/bulletproof etc they must also be town? Wtf clearly mafia and town would want his role.

On October 17 2011 08:47 deconduo wrote:
Wow I thought I would have a load to read up on when I got back but today has been really quiet. I'm surprised no one has called for a vig shot on Foolishness, he's very obviously scum at this point especially as Node flipped scum. The rest of the people trying to get greymist elected should be checked, especially WBG.

On October 18 2011 12:23 Mig wrote:
Right now I lean town on Sand I won't deny I have some suspicions but he has been very open with me on skype and actually helped me scum hunt and regardless there are clear better targets.

Right now I really do not like wiggles, meapak or foolish.

Foolish your entire goal and all your play day1 was centered around not getting shot. Well now that that has happened maybe you could actually post your opinions and thoughts on people? It really doesn't matter if you survive in the game if you are completely useless constantly. Your support of greymist over a more experienced candidate was also hella shady. If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected, greymist would be a much safer choice for them to push.

On October 18 2011 10:37 GreYMisT wrote:
The way I see it is, we all know Foolishness is usually policy shot first day if he is town. Knowing this, he should have been posting like a monster, trying to get as much figured out for the town as possible before he dies. The fact that he has been doing quite the opposite of this worries me.

##Vote Foolishness

On October 17 2011 22:58 prplhz wrote:
what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says

citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says

so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird.

also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us?

he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?!

no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all.

finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other.

foolishness needs to step it up

##Vote Foolishness

On October 18 2011 14:32 Mig wrote:
Foolish you are misconstruing part of my argument. If me/rad are mafia then we have only 3 teammates to support us. Regardless of our alignment you would agree it is bad for the other mafia teams if we were in power yes? Please tell me what mafia team in the universe would ever want radfield to be invincible unless he was on his team?

Also lol at thinking rad is being manipulated. And you act like a possible leak has crippled town. Last I checked 5-6 scum are most likely going to be dead after 2 days here. So please lay off the fear mongering. We are clearly not in a bad position lol.

Now more importantly instead of just defending yourself, who is scum and why? You talk about being busy behind the scenes yes? So what have you accomplished? Where is your analysis? Instead of giving us 1 line about how you would probably vote sandroba how about actually giving us some details?

On October 18 2011 15:29 Mig wrote:
Foolish why are you so hostile. You should calm down on the anger front here friend.

First of all I don't think my logic is wrong however I never said it was the only reason I was suspicious of you. Scum do not always play 100% optimally anyway, decon is likely scum and he voted radfield, but I really don't know how you can argue that mafia would ever want radfield in power. So understand it makes you more suspicious but by no means do I assume it automatically means you are scum just for that.

Also where is this bashing coming from? You are trying to say I have had no opinions this game and I just follow what others tell me? I have to disagree with that.

And so what your suggestion is we start to kill people in the mayor circle in the hopes of finding the leak, also we should be killing from the top of the list why exactly? How about since you think we have so many problems with leaks we just rely on analysis instead of roles?

You have spent almost 2 full days in your own little pm circle and you haven't posted in the thread whatsoever before now. So what I want to know is where is the information you have gained? What are your opinions on meapak/wiggles? After 2 days the only thing I hear from you is we should shoot sandroba because he could be the leak and because his activity has changed. Is that really all you have?

On October 24 2011 08:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, public IRC is not that great because it doesn't let you pressure anyone, as people can feign AFK to avoid real-time pressure, and not everyone has all the logs because not all logs are posted, and no one's signed in all the time. So, you cause an information disadvantage for many players, without really gaining anything when compared to just talking in the thread. There's probably many other reasons why a public IRC isn't that great, but I don't think Foolishness had impersonation in mind when he said that.

On October 24 2011 00:10 Radfield wrote:
There were several reasons I thought Foolish was scum.

*His general inactivity from my point of view. He was claiming he was very active, yet from what I could tell, and the players I spoke with, he was actually doing very little. Of course this is because he was working in scum circles, and I was working in town circles.

*His mayoral vote was very suspicious. On one hand he was telling several players he thought I was likely town, yet on the other hand he was telling different players that it was essential I not get elected. This was part of his response to me asking him why he was pushing Greymist:

*Most of my suspicion however came from direct dealing with him however. Foolish kept dripping me tidbits of mostly unimportant info, or info I already knew, and claiming to other players to 'ask Radfield how helpful he was being'. It seemed he was trying to pump me for information, while giving me what I felt was fairly irrelevant or already known info.

-He wanted to know how Cheese died(Asking about townside KP in my eyes. Not to mention I already suspected Foolish of being Lancaster, so in my mind this was asking how his buddy died.)

-He told me Tudors had killed Kitaman(Something that was irrelevant to me as I already assumed one of the other scum teams had killed him. This actually made me more suspicious as I couldn't see why a townie would really care which scum killed a different scum, so why did he think it was important i knew?)

-Asked me about Hiro's alignment, specifically not his role, just alignment.(Fishing for DF in my eyes. I already knew that by process of elimination, Dreamflower could only possibly be one of a few players, since prp had publicly claimed he went for DF. Foolish seemed like he was trying to make it look like an innocent question by stressing only alignment, when in fact a simple answer from me would confirm him as dreamflower)

- Told me Deconduo was 100% Tudor scum. (Keep in mind this is AFTER Kenpachi had already posted this in the thread, so I was honestly a bit confused as to why Foolish thought he was even being helpful with this tidbit. However it did show me Foolish wasn't properly reading the thread, since he didn't know KP had revealed Decons family, nor did he even realize NKVD could do this)

These were pretty much the four items we discussed, and all four made me think Foolish was scum, though I see now that from his point of view they wouldn't have seemed so scummy. Palmar had also had a convo in which it seemed Foolish had basically claimed scum:http://pastebin.com/jNR7xVau

In fact they were both pretty much fishing each other....

This is the PM I recieved from Foolish the night he was killed:


This was supposed to be the big relevation of information he was going to give me, in case he was killed. Supersoft was basically already 90% for sure scum to me given that he had claimed hider, and given his in-thread actions, and more importantly given the list. He also mentions the remaining Tudor is one of 5 players..... so big deal. Lastly is the mention of a framer. At this point, given the confirm-able roles in the game, the framer could only be an extremely select few people. The fact that he could know of the existence of a framer, and who that framer was targetting seemed like something only scum could know. At this point I was sure he was just feeding me bullshit, and trying to show how 'helpful' he was. I was fairly convinced he was scum.