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Also that public irc is a big waste of time and accomplishes nothing. | ||
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If you still have gripes about Jimbo then it's Greymist/Foolishness. Yes I'm fine being in office if people will have me. Not dying night 1 would be a nice change of pace for me. As usual, hit me up on PMs/skype/AIM/irc/whatever. Posting in the thread is not very cost efficient in terms of time for this game. And gogo Ver at MLG! | ||
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On October 16 2011 10:43 Mig wrote: You have a role that could benefit mafia or town....... LLOOOLOLOLOL that's going into the mafia quiz for sure | ||
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On October 16 2011 10:46 Mig wrote: Chaoser acts like he told me he took dreamflower and I am trying to lynch him for it. He told me his role and it is not overwhelming pro town. I have my doubts about the chaoser lynch which I have said multiple times and I have said it to a lot of people, kita, wbg etc. I have been talking to everyone possible about what is the best lynch. So trying to portray this as mig is trying to kill me after I tell him my role is retarded. How can you even say that? When people were distributing roles into groups at the beginning of the game his role fell into the list that is the most pro town? Why would mafia ever take that role? | ||
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On October 16 2011 10:52 Mig wrote: Ok so if someone takes rockstar/bulletproof etc they must also be town? Wtf clearly mafia and town would want his role. No, but chaoser didn't grab rockstar/bulletproof. This is about the role he took, not any of the others. | ||
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On October 17 2011 08:47 deconduo wrote: Wow I thought I would have a load to read up on when I got back but today has been really quiet. I'm surprised no one has called for a vig shot on Foolishness, he's very obviously scum at this point especially as Node flipped scum. The rest of the people trying to get greymist elected should be checked, especially WBG. Well that made a lot of sense. | ||
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On October 18 2011 12:23 Mig wrote: Right now I lean town on Sand I won't deny I have some suspicions but he has been very open with me on skype and actually helped me scum hunt and regardless there are clear better targets. Right now I really do not like wiggles, meapak or foolish. Foolish your entire goal and all your play day1 was centered around not getting shot. Well now that that has happened maybe you could actually post your opinions and thoughts on people? It really doesn't matter if you survive in the game if you are completely useless constantly. Your support of greymist over a more experienced candidate was also hella shady. If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected, greymist would be a much safer choice for them to push. No, my plan was not centered around getting shot. My plan was centered on getting shit done because I assumed I would be shot. Of any of the candidates proposed so far I'd vote for sandroba, but this isn't news to anyone. But speaking of him, you say that he's been open on skype and helped you scum hunt. Believe it or not there are some people who would be able to vouch that for me too. But that's not what this is about. I'll give you my situation is worse than his because he was active at the beginning of day 1 and was proven to be very involved in the ongoings of the town. However since then he's done zilch in the thread besides respond with witty and snarky comments (he learned from me!!!). Enough about this Greymist crap. That's a sorry excuse to use as gunpowder. I am not the only one who voted for Greymist or agreed that he should be elected, many others expressed the same concerns that I did. The Radfield/sandroba/syllogism/Mig group (hence know as the "Radfield Group" in this post) seemed to easy to be under mafia influence. Greymist showed to me that he had honest intentions for the town and that he was competent enough to use them. And I'm not the only one he did this to. Radfield had honest intentions for the town but I couldn't help but think he was being manipulated by mafia. And I kept telling people that it's very likely there's a mafia in Radfield's group. And everyone I told this to said, "no, I've talked with them all in PM, they all townies". Finally days later Radfield tells me: [7:12:07 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): my little group [7:12:07 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): has a little leak [7:12:08 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): in my opinion Also don't forget in Radfield's recent post he said "OK, we have a problem town." Yeah I tried to warn you guys about this happening but nobody listened and everyone chose to point fingers instead. You guys have only yourself to blame as to why Palmar seems to know everything about everyone, despite the fact that nobody seems to be talking to him. I voted for Greymist because I knew he wouldn't let something like that happened. I'm pretty sure a few others were thinking along the same lines as me. If Greymist flips town would you still say it was mafia-like to push him into office? I would also like to say this to Mig, although it may apply to a few others as well, that you are quick to jump on anyone that does anything that is anti-Radfield or anti-sandroba. You say that "If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected" yet you (most likely) cannot 100% prove that Radfield (or sandroba or syllogism or all 3) is town. And even if you could now you couldn't before elections started. Stop sucking up to players in your little blue circle which, in case you forgot, the leader of which claims there's a leak in. Don't base your arguments around "well he went against Radfield/sandroba/Mig he must be playing for the mafia". Go find your leak before it's too late. On October 18 2011 10:37 GreYMisT wrote: The way I see it is, we all know Foolishness is usually policy shot first day if he is town. Knowing this, he should have been posting like a monster, trying to get as much figured out for the town as possible before he dies. The fact that he has been doing quite the opposite of this worries me. ##Vote Foolishness I'll agree that I haven't been posting like a monster, but the latter part of the sentence I have been doing. Also I really hope we are all above policy lynching here, we're all good players here, if you want to policy lynch why not role a die to decide who dreamflower is shooting tonight? On October 17 2011 22:58 prplhz wrote: what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird. also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us? he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?! no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all. finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other. foolishness needs to step it up ##Vote Foolishness **Note I removed some of the content from prplhz's original post cause of the shear length, please go read his original for the irc logs and for more information. I'm just going to ignore anything you say relating to wbg, because that has nothing to do with me being scum. Unless you want to accuse both of us being scum, and if that's the case then say so. But have fun trying to make that one work. Yes I was PMing with chaoser and kitaman. You say I didn't pick up anything but how would you know? I'm not part of the Radfield group, I make sure my information is kept in the right people. Even today I told Radfield a few things and I'm sure the entire town knows by now. You seem to be connected indirectly to the Radfield group and I have no reason to trust you of course you're not going to know anything about me. And yes, because I was talking to chaoser and kitaman I thought I had an idea on who they were shooting that night. And had it turn out the way I thought it would I would have had a big lead on some mafia, but that's not the way the cookie crumbled. Of course thanks to the Radfield group everyone knew about how chaoser died. drp What have I done for the town? Let me tell you a few things I have not done. I have not put my blind trust in 3 or more players from the beginning of the game (and consequently not making sure said people know everything I've done including what I'm eating for breakfast). I have not been responsible for Palmar finding out an obscene amount of information he should not know. I have not been part of a town circle that has leaked information. I have not become town leader only to tell the town "oops, we're actually in a bad position because information is spreading faster than Yogi Bear steals picnic baskets." To anything that Palmar has ever said: | ||
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On October 18 2011 14:32 Mig wrote: Foolish you are misconstruing part of my argument. If me/rad are mafia then we have only 3 teammates to support us. Regardless of our alignment you would agree it is bad for the other mafia teams if we were in power yes? Please tell me what mafia team in the universe would ever want radfield to be invincible unless he was on his team? Also lol at thinking rad is being manipulated. And you act like a possible leak has crippled town. Last I checked 5-6 scum are most likely going to be dead after 2 days here. So please lay off the fear mongering. We are clearly not in a bad position lol. Now more importantly instead of just defending yourself, who is scum and why? You talk about being busy behind the scenes yes? So what have you accomplished? Where is your analysis? Instead of giving us 1 line about how you would probably vote sandroba how about actually giving us some details? That's terrible logic to be using. You're saying that any mafia would be against a mayor if it wasn't their own? Mayor's traditionally have been terrible in mafia games and are very susceptible to being lynched. Also there are a variety of creative ways to kill elected officials without a lynch. Just because someone didn't want Radfield to be "invincible" (lol which he's not) doesn't make them mafia. I know your butt buddies and all but really? And really really? That's not what your buddy Rad told me. Rad's the one saying the town needs to step up otherwise we're going to be in trouble. Given that your attitude this game has been "sure, whatever" I'll trust his opinion more than yours. I've heard from multiple people that there's a leak somewhere, and quite a few of these people are in your trusted butt-buddy circle. We need to kill sandroba. He's most likely to be the leak given his activity since obtaining his role, he's high up on the draft list (where we should be killing anyways). There's clearly something wrong with with the mayoral circle and we need to find out what it is instead of shooting elsewhere. I heard from somewhere that one of the bodyguards is highly suspicious. Please tell me you're looking into it. Rather, I want Radfield to tell me he's looking into it since your response will entail, "sure, whatever. btw you voted against Radfield loool you're mafia!" | ||
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On October 18 2011 15:29 Mig wrote: Foolish why are you so hostile. You should calm down on the anger front here friend. First of all I don't think my logic is wrong however I never said it was the only reason I was suspicious of you. Scum do not always play 100% optimally anyway, decon is likely scum and he voted radfield, but I really don't know how you can argue that mafia would ever want radfield in power. So understand it makes you more suspicious but by no means do I assume it automatically means you are scum just for that. Also where is this bashing coming from? You are trying to say I have had no opinions this game and I just follow what others tell me? I have to disagree with that. And so what your suggestion is we start to kill people in the mayor circle in the hopes of finding the leak, also we should be killing from the top of the list why exactly? How about since you think we have so many problems with leaks we just rely on analysis instead of roles? You have spent almost 2 full days in your own little pm circle and you haven't posted in the thread whatsoever before now. So what I want to know is where is the information you have gained? What are your opinions on meapak/wiggles? After 2 days the only thing I hear from you is we should shoot sandroba because he could be the leak and because his activity has changed. Is that really all you have? Yes I may have been a bit angry at your response and for that I apologize for coming off as harsh. Also, sandroba and Radfield seem to share everything. If I was mafia and knew sandroba was mafia, I sure wouldn't mind Radfield in office since he can be manipulated. (I am using sandroba as the obvious example but it could apply just as easily to you or syllogism). My bashing was coming from your attitude to this game. I know you will disagree wholeheartedly but the few times I did talk to you you had a very "sure, whatever" attitude, and a few others have told me likewise. This can be noted when you ran for mayor only because syllogism/sandroba told you to. Obviously your campaign became more serious but at the start it was suspect. And because of your group, it's impossible for anyone else to tell who's responsible for what. Your group seems to have unanimous opinions about every situation, but I don't know if it's one or two people doing it or if you are all splitting the work evenly. Most likely someone in your group is getting away with doing nothing, and I think that person is sandroba. | ||
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On October 24 2011 08:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, public IRC is not that great because it doesn't let you pressure anyone, as people can feign AFK to avoid real-time pressure, and not everyone has all the logs because not all logs are posted, and no one's signed in all the time. So, you cause an information disadvantage for many players, without really gaining anything when compared to just talking in the thread. There's probably many other reasons why a public IRC isn't that great, but I don't think Foolishness had impersonation in mind when he said that. Hilariously, I was actually the first person to impersonate someone this game. As soon as the roles went out, I logged onto irc as BarBaPoPPa. I don't use irc so I was just checking to see if it would work (open new tab, try logging in as someone else). kitaman27 can vouch for me as he caught me doing it =P On October 24 2011 00:10 Radfield wrote: There were several reasons I thought Foolish was scum. *His general inactivity from my point of view. He was claiming he was very active, yet from what I could tell, and the players I spoke with, he was actually doing very little. Of course this is because he was working in scum circles, and I was working in town circles. *His mayoral vote was very suspicious. On one hand he was telling several players he thought I was likely town, yet on the other hand he was telling different players that it was essential I not get elected. This was part of his response to me asking him why he was pushing Greymist: Show nested quote + Why is "giving something to the town" so important? Are you still acting like this is any other game of mafia? The elected positions are not about finding someone who is not scum, and they are not about finding someone who will scum hunt the best. A lot of the reason I did not want you to get into office was because I knew I couldn't manipulate you very well if I needed to. Obviously I couldn't directly tell you that. =P *Most of my suspicion however came from direct dealing with him however. Foolish kept dripping me tidbits of mostly unimportant info, or info I already knew, and claiming to other players to 'ask Radfield how helpful he was being'. It seemed he was trying to pump me for information, while giving me what I felt was fairly irrelevant or already known info. I obviously did not know how much information you knew, because you had a handful of people and blue roles at your disposal and I had 2 other people and only words at my disposal. Also, as soon as I was getting people confirmed as mafia they were dying. From what I understand, the Chezinu family was the first to find out a few chunks of information, then Jimbo and bugs leaked it out to your group and whoever else. You'll obviously have to verify that as I cannot, but that was the impression I was under. -He wanted to know how Cheese died(Asking about townside KP in my eyes. Not to mention I already suspected Foolish of being Lancaster, so in my mind this was asking how his buddy died.) Cheese died was a huge mystery to me at first. Presumably only they Chezinu family knew he was mafia. If bugs told anyone else (you, mig, etc) he didn't tell me that he told you guys. And I was the only person in the Chezinu family to reveal my role, so I had no idea that bugs needed to be shooting someone every night. I didn't think the mafia would hit him (the other mafia hits made more sense in my eyes) so I thought that your group hit him. -He told me Tudors had killed Kitaman(Something that was irrelevant to me as I already assumed one of the other scum teams had killed him. This actually made me more suspicious as I couldn't see why a townie would really care which scum killed a different scum, so why did he think it was important i knew?) I think it's important information. I've told a few people this already, but this is a game about families. The differences in this game between town circles was because the Chezinu's were hunting for families while you and Mig were just scum hunting as if it was any other mafia game. A mafia family hitting another is important because it shows that the families lack information about each other and, more importantly, they aren't in contact or working with each other. For my objectives that is a very important piece of information. This is part of the reason I asked you if you knew how cheese died. -Asked me about Hiro's alignment, specifically not his role, just alignment.(Fishing for DF in my eyes. I already knew that by process of elimination, Dreamflower could only possibly be one of a few players, since prp had publicly claimed he went for DF. Foolish seemed like he was trying to make it look like an innocent question by stressing only alignment, when in fact a simple answer from me would confirm him as dreamflower) I can explain this. When I was narrowing Tudors in the middle of day 2, hiro was a major suspect. I had no idea that he was dreamflower (I thought someone higher up was dreamflower actually), nor did I care what his role was, I just needed to know if he was innocent or not. I didn't particularly care for what roles people had, I was hunting families. - Told me Deconduo was 100% Tudor scum. (Keep in mind this is AFTER Kenpachi had already posted this in the thread, so I was honestly a bit confused as to why Foolish thought he was even being helpful with this tidbit. However it did show me Foolish wasn't properly reading the thread, since he didn't know KP had revealed Decons family, nor did he even realize NKVD could do this) I already told you that this was because I misread the role descriptions. These were pretty much the four items we discussed, and all four made me think Foolish was scum, though I see now that from his point of view they wouldn't have seemed so scummy. Palmar had also had a convo in which it seemed Foolish had basically claimed scum:http://pastebin.com/jNR7xVau In fact they were both pretty much fishing each other.... This is the PM I recieved from Foolish the night he was killed: Show nested quote + Since you're not on skype I'll give you some of what I've found out so far. It wasn't my intention to give this to you so late in the night. supersoft is a Tudor. I say this with a 100% probability attached. The remaining Tudor is of the people who picked 1 as their first number (heist, Erandorr, Jaccuzi, sinani, and myself, to be scientifically correct). Also Jimbo is getting framed tonight. This was supposed to be the big relevation of information he was going to give me, in case he was killed. Supersoft was basically already 90% for sure scum to me given that he had claimed hider, and given his in-thread actions, and more importantly given the list. He also mentions the remaining Tudor is one of 5 players..... so big deal. Lastly is the mention of a framer. At this point, given the confirm-able roles in the game, the framer could only be an extremely select few people. The fact that he could know of the existence of a framer, and who that framer was targetting seemed like something only scum could know. At this point I was sure he was just feeding me bullshit, and trying to show how 'helpful' he was. I was fairly convinced he was scum. Keep in mind I did not know that supersoft was hider. I found out he was mafia by a process of elimination based on what deconduo told me (you can find what he told me in Chezinu family QT). deconduo told me in that chat that the best day 2 lynch would be prphlz or Greymist, so I assumed that meant that prphlz wasn't with him. That's why he was off my list. Everyone else was off the list and based on the numbers (as I told you) the remaining candidates were of the people who picked 1. Also that information should have been very relevant to you, and I'm kinda disappointed it wasn't. If I gave you that one of these 4 people is mafia, I thought you'd have information to further narrow it down (like heist being a cop or something). And considering that sinani was a BG I hoped you at least considered what I said after I flipped. To bugs, I can't find your post that I wanted to quote, but the reason I wasn't believing you when you were telling me things like, "hiro is innocent" was because you weren't presenting any proof other than "don't worry bro I'm sure he's green". Had you told me that he'd been checked by a DT (or made up some other excuse) then I would have believed you. Also you should see in my PMs to Radfield that at the end of the day I did trust you and believed what you said I consider my plan somewhat of a success. Had I not been shot night 2 I was relatively sure I'd have discovered some more mafia as I was at the anchor of discussion for the mafia families. I had a connection in the Tudors, the Lancaster's should have known I was mafia by my PMs to chaoser. When their situation became desperate and they needed to work together to win, I wanted to be the person the mafia would come to first, and I think I put myself in that position. | ||
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