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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 12:50:50
October 11 2011 06:17 GMT
#168
did I say replacement? I meant
/in

Do you have to be a mafioso to pick mafia roles like framer and roleblocker?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 11 2011 16:16 GMT
#179
On October 11 2011 23:05 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 22:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:17 DropBear wrote:
did I say replacement? I meant
/in

Do you have to be a mafioso to pick mafia roles like framer and roleblocker?


Lol DB why would town want a framer?

To deny it to mafia. Denying mafia strong roles is a viable way to make your picks. Kenpachi did this in PYP:3, where he picked GF to keep it out of the hands of the mafia.

Same deal here, don't want a pesky assassin killing off town roles? Pick it. Don't want the roleblocker bothering townies? Take it. Want DTs to be more reliable? Pick framer.


I don't want framer I want roleblocker :D

It's my favourite role. Noone steal it I'm so claiming it!
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 11 2011 17:56 GMT
#185
On October 12 2011 01:22 GMarshal wrote:
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On October 12 2011 01:16 DropBear wrote:
On October 11 2011 23:05 GMarshal wrote:
On October 11 2011 22:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:17 DropBear wrote:
did I say replacement? I meant
/in

Do you have to be a mafioso to pick mafia roles like framer and roleblocker?


Lol DB why would town want a framer?

To deny it to mafia. Denying mafia strong roles is a viable way to make your picks. Kenpachi did this in PYP:3, where he picked GF to keep it out of the hands of the mafia.

Same deal here, don't want a pesky assassin killing off town roles? Pick it. Don't want the roleblocker bothering townies? Take it. Want DTs to be more reliable? Pick framer.


I don't want framer I want roleblocker :D

It's my favourite role. Noone steal it I'm so claiming it!

I can see it now, DB in the number 1 spot, "huh, I could pick Jack, or Inventor, or Assassin (which is INCREDIBLE, I will be higly dissapointed if it is not taken in the top 5 spots), or Rock Star... nah, roleblocker! "

This is actually quite likely, I would take roleblocker over those 4

And bugs if I did get framer I would immediately frame kitaman27. Actually, there's a lot of roles I'd use on him come to think of it. Maybe I should choose America...
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 04:23 GMT
#399
[17][3] y'all. kind of midtable

Which IRC channel is everyone using? TLMafia?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 15:16 GMT
#433
On October 13 2011 23:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Someone in the mid to high range might want to consider picking Framer as an honesty check and to discourage anyone from picking it late in the draft.

With all the lynch dodging abilitites (hero, vet, vote rigger, Showtime!) the Qatol ability might be pretty useful for town to ban the person who is about to get lynched to increase the odds that it goes through. Considering there will be so many mafia information checks, it will also let us remove a scum power if we are unable to lynch everybody during the day.

I will take Framer if everyone is prepared to leave it for me?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 15:46 GMT
#435
On October 14 2011 00:37 JACCUZISPLAT wrote:
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On October 14 2011 00:16 DropBear wrote:
On October 13 2011 23:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Someone in the mid to high range might want to consider picking Framer as an honesty check and to discourage anyone from picking it late in the draft.

With all the lynch dodging abilitites (hero, vet, vote rigger, Showtime!) the Qatol ability might be pretty useful for town to ban the person who is about to get lynched to increase the odds that it goes through. Considering there will be so many mafia information checks, it will also let us remove a scum power if we are unable to lynch everybody during the day.

I will take Framer if everyone is prepared to leave it for me?

lol?

I've already sent it in. Claiming Framer :D
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 17:04 GMT
#441
On October 14 2011 01:42 chaoser wrote:
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On October 14 2011 00:46 DropBear wrote:
On October 14 2011 00:37 JACCUZISPLAT wrote:
On October 14 2011 00:16 DropBear wrote:
On October 13 2011 23:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Someone in the mid to high range might want to consider picking Framer as an honesty check and to discourage anyone from picking it late in the draft.

With all the lynch dodging abilitites (hero, vet, vote rigger, Showtime!) the Qatol ability might be pretty useful for town to ban the person who is about to get lynched to increase the odds that it goes through. Considering there will be so many mafia information checks, it will also let us remove a scum power if we are unable to lynch everybody during the day.

I will take Framer if everyone is prepared to leave it for me?

lol?

I've already sent it in. Claiming Framer :D


In the interest of making 100% sure that we keep the framer role out of the mafia's hands I suggest that someone pick Qatol and then ban it once Dropbear has gotten it. It takes the ambiguity of whether Dropbear is actually mafia or not. I can't think of a single situation where a townie framer would be advantageous that would likely come up that wouldn't just cause more confusion and disruption.

Framer can be used to redirect actions, like a mindcontroller. So it is extremely useful in town hands. I can make mafia kill each other. It's not the framing that makes the role good.

Not only this, if I'm reading it right, I can make the target appear as whatever I like. I will make them appear third party, cos there aren't any third parties, that way detective roles know that they are looking at someone who is framed.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 17:09 GMT
#442
Can Framer make their target appear as third party?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 17:29 GMT
#445
On October 14 2011 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
It was already mentioned that a framer can't redirect a mafia kp. Unless there is an extremely unlikly situation where there is a claimed scum CPR doc whose kill we want to redirect, it certainly isn't worth masking someones alignment.

If I can't redirect a mafia KP then the value of is greatly lessened. Can you PM me where it is mentioned or post it in here?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 13 2011 18:18 GMT
#452
Alright well if I can't redirect Mafia KP then the appeal of Framer just went down a lot for me so I'm not sure I want it anymore.

I will still take it if it is deemed to be super important enough to remove from play though. It would be a pain in the arse in mafia hands.
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 14 2011 07:10 GMT
#518
ATTENTION ALL MAFIA SCUM!!!

Are you confused as to how you should approach a game in which your faction is vastly outnumbered?

Worried about the potential influence of your competitors?

Looking for a friend in this big scary world?

Enjoy doing dodgy under-the-table deals?

Your friendly neighbourhood DropBear can help!

[image loading]


Have a faction representative PM DropBear today for a temporary alliance! Ensure your future is kept safe while we annihilate the other two scum factions!

+ Show Spoiler +
Note: I may turn on you suddenly and without warrning :D


Take this opportunity before your competitors do! You can't afford to let this deal go to waste!
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 15 2011 05:40 GMT
#665
On October 15 2011 11:09 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so since no one else wants to talk about it, I'll talk about it. Scum Hunting. I am horrible at picking plans and I'm horrible at talking about elections. The one thing I'm good at is scum hunting.

I'm willing to lynch DropBear off his horrible Framer idea and then his defense for not letting it get banned. His logic is weak as fuck for his defense:

[13:23] <DropBear> you guys need to think outside the box
[13:23] <DropBear> there are 43% mafia in this game
[13:24] <DropBear> i will be negating them
[13:24] <DropBear> it is easy
[13:24] <DropBear> i simply dont use my role the first couple of days
[13:24] <DropBear> and use it later on when there are strong suspects
[13:24] <DropBear> and redirect their actions
[13:24] <kitaman27_> how do we know you're not using your role?
[13:25] <chaoser> what makes you think you'll survive the first couple of days?
[13:25] <chaoser> what makes you think you won't be roleblocked?
[13:25] <mudkip> nobody sees the third party but you say you are
[13:25] <chaoser> and then we're fucked
[13:25] <kitaman27_> you could be masking scum as town and we would never know
[13:25] <chaoser> cause do we believe you were actually roleblocked
[13:25] <chaoser> or that you are lying
[13:25] <mudkip> and if you dont get it should we just innately believe you
[13:25] <chaoser> if you say you were thief-ed then what?
[13:25] <chaoser> what about role swap?
[13:25] <mudkip> theres too many things that can go wrong with town choosing framer
[13:25] <chaoser> how are you goign to stop those?
[13:26] <DropBear> ok
[13:26] <DropBear> lets say i pick doctor
[13:26] <DropBear> what happens if i get theifed?
[13:26] <DropBear> or roleswapped?
[13:26] <DropBear> the same fucking thing lol
[13:26] <chaoser> if you pick doctor you wouln't be fucking claiming it in thread
[13:26] <DropBear> what happens if i choose cupid?

[13:32] <DropBear> kita
[13:32] <DropBear> where does it say
[13:32] <DropBear> that mafia kp is not redirected
[13:32] <chaoser> i just posted
[13:32] <chaoser> in thread
[13:32] <DropBear> oh
[13:32] <DropBear> thanks
[13:32] <DropBear> well then fuck framer lol
[13:33] <DropBear> that was the whole idea i had
[13:33] <DropBear> fuck i gotta choose something different now -_-
[13:33] <kitaman27_> the purpose of you taking it was for role denail
[13:33] <kitaman27_> not because it was good for town

Kita first introduced the idea for framer to be picked to deny it to mafia/honesty check. Dropbear quotes it and immediately says he wants to do it. I suggest that if he picks it that we should ban it from him to get it out of the game and immediately he is very much against it when it's a very protown thing to do. He then uses shitty logic and doesn't give up until the final real reason (redirecting KP) is shown to be impossible.

Dude I was asking about framer before alignments went out. Filter me. I wanted to be able to redirect mafia kp.

Role denial is great in theory but in practice ridiculous there is almost 50% scum.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 15 2011 06:20 GMT
#668
I was not present for these discussions regarding Greymist but they intrigue me.

I'm not happy with the majority of candidates as we speak. Several of them are talking up their skills while going out of their way to avoid showing them in this game specifically (chaoser, meapak, mig).

I was going to vote kenpachi but he seems to have dropped out. Greymist it is!

Kenpachi I urge you to get involved again! Would love you as pardoner.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 17 2011 05:31 GMT
#961
What's this? kitaman turned out to be evil? How surprising!

Good luck guys, keep on rolling!
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 17 2011 19:30 GMT
#1008
On October 18 2011 01:19 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 00:56 Arctocod wrote:
On October 18 2011 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On October 18 2011 00:49 syllogism wrote:
Rad raises some good points, but I'd like to hear more from Meapak, specifically who does he consider a solid lynch today. Arctocod apparently, but how about building an actual case

I'm waiting to see if Arcto goes through with an incredibly short-sighted and foolish plan. If he does then we're going to have a lot to talk about. I'm going to be gone in about 9 minutes though so he needs to hurry up.


don't hold your breath.

You only shoot DTs right?

LOL
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 23 2011 06:42 GMT
#1513
Lol of course it was kitaman27 who shot me.

I really had no idea what was going on this game cos the bulk of it was in pms. Fortunately the two people I was in most contact with were Mig and bugs. I asked at least 10 people on IRC to help lynch Meapak and they all said "Na he's too important" lol.

Also Mig, I find it amusing that my fucking retarded plan to bomb sandroba would have netted a mafioso. You're right I am a useless failure.
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 26 2011 18:50 GMT
#1611
Yay I just realised I'm finally reversing my horrible losing trend, thats 3 wins on the trot :D

I think that's 5-5 now, probably time to retire
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