But so yea in case it isn't obvious. I am a normal detective. N1 I checked scamp, N2 checked Heist, N3 checked Ken and Ken is guilty.

So everyone vote and murder him.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 23 2011 03:14 GMT

#1453

Town KP this game 3/3 on lynches and 7/8 on vigi shots. Our only slip up was foolish. Damn foolish!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 23 2011 03:18 GMT

#1457

Yea the biggest problem for scum were when me and rad were elected, having 2 invincible trusted by the town dts in office was impossible to deal with. Along with that town ended up having 3 cvigs in America/CPR/Dreamflower all of whom got multiple shots off. So town had a ridiculous amount of kp.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 23 2011 03:22 GMT

#1460

What role did Prplhz try to take?

There was a huge amount of powerful roles never picked. JOAT/NRA member/Meth Man/ Jail Keeper/ Veteran/ Framer/Hero/Assassin/kingmaker/etc all never chosen.

Oh and who did wiggles protect n1? We thought so much on who the last lancaster could be because we couldn't figure out who wiggles would protect over cheese/chaoser.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 23 2011 04:50 GMT

#1487

Regarding the role pm thing what happened between me and syllo was right after roles went out I noticed that the win con was worded differently in my pm than in the OP. And I mentioned this to syllo. This certainly didn't confirm me as town since neither of us could know whether scum had example pms or not, but I am sure it did influence syllo's initial opinion of me. It was a dumb thing to do and I shouldn't have done it. I pmd the hosts during the game about it telling them in case they thought it best for me to be modkilled. And if they want to give me a ban for it I have no problem at all. Syllo though didn't do anything wrong and I never discussed pms with rad at all.

The reason I trusted Syllo so much early on was that he came to me with a plan where I would take DT and he would take NKVD and we would then both run for mayor in the hopes of getting elected. I couldn't imagine syllo as scum trying to get me to take dt and become mayor so I thought right away he was most likely town, this is also a big part of why I trusted sandroba early. After picks went out syllo claimed vanilla to me which just reaffirmed he had actually tried to take NKVD and was very likely town. That combined with just talking to him for many hours over skype.

The radfield trust mainly came from just talking to him a ton then finding out he took bullet bill an extremely pro town role. And the fact he quickly managed to play a large part in killing scum from all 3 families lol. But at the beginning neither of us trusted each other and rad even thought I was initially scum.

This setup and it being a PM game made it very hard for mafia because like kita said a lot of roles told so much about alignment, bullet bill, dt, df. But along with that to win in a setup like this mafia absolutely must be active and infiltrate some town circles to try and influence them. Sandroba was literally the only mafia to even try to gain our trust and because of it he had way way more information than he should have. But most of the mafia sat back and did very little in pm land.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 23 2011 05:02 GMT

#1491

It was also insane just how much kp town had and how little mafia did. We had bomber, copy cat america, dreamflower, cpr, ace. The only kp role mafia had was america and there was no framer. So even after mafia found out information there wasn't really anyway you guys could harm the town. Town on the other hand had 3 dts and once we checked people we could just have all the vigs massacre the people who hadn't come back green.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 23 2011 05:12 GMT

#1496

Also kind of funny the entire pre game town discussed how we needed defensive roles and to turtle. Virtually everyone agreed with this, probably the first time in history people have agreed with a sandroba plan. Town then proceeded to literally not pick a single protection role, not one. Hider/Rockstar/Bulletproof/medic all picked by mafia. Instead town has 8 people try to pick kp roles lol.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 26 2011 10:56 GMT

#1607

The idea that sandroba influenced us to kill foolish is completely incorrect. For one thing sandroba was almost completely awol for the final 2 days. He was only active talking to us day1 then he disappeared. Pretty tough to influence people when you are never around. All sandroba influenced us about was not killing him by helping out day1.

Foolish contributed absolutely nothing that the town or anyone besides the 2 people he talked to could see. He did 0 scum hunting in thread, didn't build a single case against anyone, didn't do any analysis and barely pmd any of us at all. And when I did actually see logs of him talking to people he said ridiculous things like he thought radfield was town but wanted greymist as mayor, wtf? When I asked him for his opinions or any information he had gathered at all he said I didn't need to know and I could ask radfield to prove how helpful he had been. When I asked rad I was told that foolish hadn't been helpful at all.

What enormous impact did foolish make for the town? Jimbo caught chaoser/cheese then all the rest of the lynches/vig shots were organized by our circle. Foolish refused to give anyone besides the 2 people he talked to any information whatsoever and he never posted in thread. He didn't really impact anything that happened, besides the fact that he was so unhelpful that nearly everyone in the game was suspicious of him.

Concerning the public irc me/syllo/radfield barely used it and I would say it didn't really effect anything. Every game decision was made in private irc or skype.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 27 2011 00:05 GMT

#1618

Ok kav so you kept all the information secret and what good did it do the town? Did it help in anyway whatsoever? You guys did not establish your innocence so everyone was suspicious of you. So even if you had good reads it wouldn't make much of a difference because most of the town would have ignored you. You then died and absolutely none of your work mattered. And in fact we wasted a vig shot and check on you instead. I am fine with keeping certain things secret but foolish was also completely gone from the thread, you need to give the town some way to actually know you are town or nothing you do will matter in anyway.

Explain to me why it is so incredibly important to keep everything secret when nothing is accomplished by it and it leads the town to suspect you.

And I thought foolishness play looked very much like mafia. We had logs where he said Radfield, one of the best players on TL, was probably town but he didn't want him mayor. Instead he pushed for greymist to be mayor, a new player that would be easy to manipulate and is absolutely 0 threat to the mafia. I mean even if you are worried about rad talking too much who cares? It isn't like he still won't catch scum just through his analysis, why wouldn't your protect him?

Along with that he didn't strongly push for any of his opinions, didn't do any scum hunting and was instead content to sit back and coast by while other people were active. So he contributed absolutely nothing and pushed for an election which was horrible for town.

I know everyone likes complex schemes and setting traps but the most important thing any townie can do is to make it obvious that they are actually town. In the end this game was really just about process of elimination and we killed everyone who hadn't either A) been dt checked or B) made it really obvious they were town. And foolish didn't do anything at all to show he was town.