Right now my best guess at what is happening is this

Foolish/Jimbo were york

Jimbo's invention somehow masked their flips and changed their alignments. He created this in the hopes we would dt check foolish and he would return house of chezinu confusing us. Jimbo claimed to me that he would give me his invention but then did not. This indicates that most likely his invention was not intended to benefit the town. Bill_Murray is actually just a cover to hopefully confuse us and that is why it has posted once and then just disappeared. Along with that the check result on jimbo was 12 hours late and the OP has not been updated, and my question about the invention has not been answered. All of this leads me to believe that it was an invention which screwed things up and the hosts hadn't really considered how they would deal with it.

sinani/supersoft are Tudor.

First decon said this to foolish.

[16:45] but mig radfield sandro syllo
[16:45] none in ours anyway
[16:45] tbh
[16:45] most of my team are bads
[16:45]

If this statement is the truth then supersoft/sinani fit that (possibly also wbg or some of the dreamflowers but I am going to dismiss them for now)

Along with that supersoft has claimed hider a role that is HORRIBLE for town in this setup. If the hider is town and hides behind mafia they die so picking that role in a setup with 40%+ mafia would be beyond horrible. It would make Jackal's pick of Ackbar look genius in comparison. Along with that supersoft can be decently active and helpful if he wants, he has given the town absolutely nothing this game and has just lurked constantly. He is virtually guaranteed mafia.

2nd sinani has about 3 posts so I have no real way to know he is for sure mafia but by process of elimination he fits and he has absolutely nothing townie wise going for him. Definitely the next best candidate to fit.

One of sandroba/prplhz is Lancaster

If we assume no kp is missing then either A) wiggles forgot to send in his protection n1 (unlikely but possible) or B) they decided to protect another target that was likely to be shot. Sandroba and prplhz both fit that possibility.

Prplhz and cyber_cheese were the only 2 people to ask syllo who should be shot n1 and syllo told cheese he was very suspicious of prplhz still so there is some chance they were afraid prplhz would be shot. But we then have to assume prplhz made an insanely ballsy and lucky lie by claiming he took df and got vanilla at 16.

WBG told multiple people he wanted to kill sandroba n1 and there was a decent sentiment that he might be shot so perhaps they felt they had to protect him.

Things that can screw everything to hell

There is somehow a framer still living and he has fucked up a bunch of checks. I have tried to think through every possible scenario where wbg/jacuzzi/heist/hiro/etc could be framer and none of it makes sense. Right now I believe there is no framer.

Kenpachi took nkvd as mafia at #2 for some ridiculous reason.

So our best plan now is to kill supersoft and sinani today. They are the 2 most likely to flip mafia, especially supersoft. Once we see their flips we can decide on what our best plan of action for the night is.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 20 2011 20:29 GMT

#1311

Supersoft hider is not a decent defensive role at 18 in this game at all. You die if you hide behind over 40% of the town! And you cant hide behind the same person twice! It is horrrrrrible for town. If you really picked it as town I am going to cry. Also I have answered most of your pms I thought.

If foolish/jimbo were either tudor/york and we have eliminated 1 family then if we kill 2 scum today it ensures another one is gone. Prplhz and sandroba at least have somethings which could possibly make them town. Sinani and supersoft have done absolutely nothing to make me consider them town. Kill them they are our best chance of killing 2 scum today.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 20 2011 20:35 GMT

#1315

How does you hiding behind anyone prove you are town? You realize if you are scum you can hide behind anyone right.

And what do you mean I am not even interested? I had to send you a pm asking you who you hid behind. And I have answered your pms I have not ignored you, that is bs.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 20 2011 20:54 GMT

#1324

Supersoft hider is a much much stronger mafia role than town role, especially in this setup. There is really no argument there.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 20 2011 21:02 GMT

#1329

Supersoft so you are blaming not talking to me on skype for not contributing anything yourself?

And yes I told people traditional scum hunting alone doesn't make someone a townie but not scum hunting certainly makes people look scummy. Look at chaoser/wiggles/meapak/deconduo. None of them did any real scum hunting and shockingly they all turned out to be scum!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 21 2011 02:49 GMT

#1357

Yea foolish wasn't lancaster. For one thing why would Jimbo's invention change his and foolishness' alignment but not wiggles at death? Unless they were teammates.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 21 2011 04:25 GMT

#1366

What happened to the open setup!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 21 2011 04:31 GMT

#1368

Do the chezinuites have kp? The op says this:

KP for all Houses is always 1.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

October 21 2011 05:32 GMT

#1375

Yea I am inclined to agree. The idea that there are possibly 7 non towns left at this point seems impossible.

Also Rad I disagree with the idea that Jimbo could be a framed townie. Jimbo claimed an hour before flips that he would give me an invention and it would either be some sort of medic or kp. He didn't so I think we have to assume his invention was most likely meant to be anti town.