Pick Your Power Interesting!

On October 24 2011 08:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, public IRC is not that great because it doesn't let you pressure anyone, as people can feign AFK to avoid real-time pressure, and not everyone has all the logs because not all logs are posted, and no one's signed in all the time. So, you cause an information disadvantage for many players, without really gaining anything when compared to just talking in the thread. There's probably many other reasons why a public IRC isn't that great, but I don't think Foolishness had impersonation in mind when he said that.

Hilariously, I was actually the first person to impersonate someone this game. As soon as the roles went out, I logged onto irc as BarBaPoPPa. I don't use irc so I was just checking to see if it would work (open new tab, try logging in as someone else). kitaman27 can vouch for me as he caught me doing it =P

On October 24 2011 00:10 Radfield wrote:
There were several reasons I thought Foolish was scum.

*His general inactivity from my point of view. He was claiming he was very active, yet from what I could tell, and the players I spoke with, he was actually doing very little. Of course this is because he was working in scum circles, and I was working in town circles.

*His mayoral vote was very suspicious. On one hand he was telling several players he thought I was likely town, yet on the other hand he was telling different players that it was essential I not get elected. This was part of his response to me asking him why he was pushing Greymist:

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A lot of the reason I did not want you to get into office was because I knew I couldn't manipulate you very well if I needed to. Obviously I couldn't directly tell you that. =P

*Most of my suspicion however came from direct dealing with him however. Foolish kept dripping me tidbits of mostly unimportant info, or info I already knew, and claiming to other players to 'ask Radfield how helpful he was being'. It seemed he was trying to pump me for information, while giving me what I felt was fairly irrelevant or already known info.

I obviously did not know how much information you knew, because you had a handful of people and blue roles at your disposal and I had 2 other people and only words at my disposal. Also, as soon as I was getting people confirmed as mafia they were dying. From what I understand, the Chezinu family was the first to find out a few chunks of information, then Jimbo and bugs leaked it out to your group and whoever else. You'll obviously have to verify that as I cannot, but that was the impression I was under.

-He wanted to know how Cheese died(Asking about townside KP in my eyes. Not to mention I already suspected Foolish of being Lancaster, so in my mind this was asking how his buddy died.)

Cheese died was a huge mystery to me at first. Presumably only they Chezinu family knew he was mafia. If bugs told anyone else (you, mig, etc) he didn't tell me that he told you guys. And I was the only person in the Chezinu family to reveal my role, so I had no idea that bugs needed to be shooting someone every night. I didn't think the mafia would hit him (the other mafia hits made more sense in my eyes) so I thought that your group hit him.

-He told me Tudors had killed Kitaman(Something that was irrelevant to me as I already assumed one of the other scum teams had killed him. This actually made me more suspicious as I couldn't see why a townie would really care which scum killed a different scum, so why did he think it was important i knew?)

I think it's important information. I've told a few people this already, but this is a game about families. The differences in this game between town circles was because the Chezinu's were hunting for families while you and Mig were just scum hunting as if it was any other mafia game. A mafia family hitting another is important because it shows that the families lack information about each other and, more importantly, they aren't in contact or working with each other. For my objectives that is a very important piece of information. This is part of the reason I asked you if you knew how cheese died.

-Asked me about Hiro's alignment, specifically not his role, just alignment.(Fishing for DF in my eyes. I already knew that by process of elimination, Dreamflower could only possibly be one of a few players, since prp had publicly claimed he went for DF. Foolish seemed like he was trying to make it look like an innocent question by stressing only alignment, when in fact a simple answer from me would confirm him as dreamflower)

I can explain this. When I was narrowing Tudors in the middle of day 2, hiro was a major suspect. I had no idea that he was dreamflower (I thought someone higher up was dreamflower actually), nor did I care what his role was, I just needed to know if he was innocent or not. I didn't particularly care for what roles people had, I was hunting families.

- Told me Deconduo was 100% Tudor scum. (Keep in mind this is AFTER Kenpachi had already posted this in the thread, so I was honestly a bit confused as to why Foolish thought he was even being helpful with this tidbit. However it did show me Foolish wasn't properly reading the thread, since he didn't know KP had revealed Decons family, nor did he even realize NKVD could do this)

I already told you that this was because I misread the role descriptions.

These were pretty much the four items we discussed, and all four made me think Foolish was scum, though I see now that from his point of view they wouldn't have seemed so scummy. Palmar had also had a convo in which it seemed Foolish had basically claimed scum:http://pastebin.com/jNR7xVau

In fact they were both pretty much fishing each other....

This is the PM I recieved from Foolish the night he was killed:

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This was supposed to be the big relevation of information he was going to give me, in case he was killed. Supersoft was basically already 90% for sure scum to me given that he had claimed hider, and given his in-thread actions, and more importantly

given the list. He also mentions the remaining Tudor is one of 5 players..... so big deal. Lastly is the mention of a framer. At this point, given the confirm-able roles in the game, the framer could only be an extremely select few people. The fact that he could know of the existence of a framer, and who that framer was targetting seemed like something only scum could know. At this point I was sure he was just feeding me bullshit, and trying to show how 'helpful' he was. I was fairly convinced he was scum.

Keep in mind I did not know that supersoft was hider. I found out he was mafia by a process of elimination based on what deconduo told me (you can find what he told me in Chezinu family QT). deconduo told me in that chat that the best day 2 lynch would be prphlz or Greymist, so I assumed that meant that prphlz wasn't with him. That's why he was off my list. Everyone else was off the list and based on the numbers (as I told you) the remaining candidates were of the people who picked 1. Also that information should have been very relevant to you, and I'm kinda disappointed it wasn't. If I gave you that one of these 4 people is mafia, I thought you'd have information to further narrow it down (like heist being a cop or something). And considering that sinani was a BG I hoped you at least considered what I said after I flipped.

To bugs, I can't find your post that I wanted to quote, but the reason I wasn't believing you when you were telling me things like, "hiro is innocent" was because you weren't presenting any proof other than "don't worry bro I'm sure he's green". Had you told me that he'd been checked by a DT (or made up some other excuse) then I would have believed you. Also you should see in my PMs to Radfield that at the end of the day I did trust you and believed what you said

I consider my plan somewhat of a success. Had I not been shot night 2 I was relatively sure I'd have discovered some more mafia as I was at the anchor of discussion for the mafia families. I had a connection in the Tudors, the Lancaster's should have known I was mafia by my PMs to chaoser. When their situation became desperate and they needed to work together to win, I wanted to be the person the mafia would come to first, and I think I put myself in that position.

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