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sorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason. | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:16 Sevryn wrote: okay so NotChezinu pretty much troll all day er'day and to be honest if he doesnt know what his role is thats not the kind of person I would like to have around the town so i say we get rid of this problem now and lynch him. Sure posting in lyrics and poems is cool as a joke and sure it can be fun, but its not very pro town and makes it hard to get a read on someone. infact joking and trolling is a great way to be active without contributing at all. sooooooooooooo ##vote NotChezinu are you part of mafia? such weak arguments are scum tell in defense of Jackal. If Jackal mafia, you mafia. comprendo? | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:57 Mig wrote: BEST EVER hax | ||
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chill bro. i need to read the thread more thoroughly. brb | ||
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Original Message From Incognito: Hey, I really suspect that Erandorr is mafia. Could you do me a favor and PM him to see if you can find anything? checking the time of this PM, it was 6:29 but i cant prove that unless i take a picture of my inbox but i wont do that cause thats cheating. and a bit later he attacks prplhz who dies. On October 01 2011 06:52 Incognito wrote:+ Show Spoiler [prplhz analysis] + prplhz does not have a pro-town agenda. If you look at all his posts, you will see that besides spreading doubt and fueling irrelevant discussions, prplhz never gives an indication that he is trying to figure stuff out. While he can be categorized as "active", he is just sticking to the sidelines and prodding without actually contributing and does not have a town agenda. This is a highly likely indicator that he is scum. However, the most important piece of evidence is this post: On September 30 2011 20:38 prplhz wrote: ~words words words~ i'm posting this now 'cause apparently scum (incog) wants me dead so much that they've resorted to asking random mutes if they want to kill me. i don't see why 'cause i wasn't instrumental in palmar's demise at all. The bolded part is clearly sarcasm. What prplhz is claiming here is that he was in fact instrumental in Palmar's demise. Is this claim true? Absolutely not. He does vote for Palmar, who flips red, but he does not contribute to the lynch to the extent he claims. Notice the timing of his posts. Early in the game, prplhz says since palmar is locked down for day1 lynch can we talk about who to lynch day2? . It is fairly obvious that this is a joke post. Two posts later, he votes NotChezinu. 3 posts after that, he says "Palmar is actually scum this time" with no explanation.After this, there is a lul in the anti-Palmar rhetoric, and prplhz doesn't give an opinion on Palmar until two hours before the lynch ends, when it is clear that Palmar is going to die. This post is the only post in which prplhz gives a substantial opinion on Palmar, and it comes far too late: On September 30 2011 05:04 prplhz wrote:Also how Palmar just says "Alright, I'm getting lynched, well goodbye folks". That's kinda scummy you know, they don't tend to say a lot after it's apparent that they're gonna get lynched. prplhz only votes Palmar after it is clear that Palmar is doomed. It is obvious that prplhz's post was not meant to influence people to vote Palmar, but to justify his vote. prplhz does not push Palmar's lynch at ANY time before this point, and doesn't contribute to the discussion when people are trying to figure out if they want to vote for Curu or Palmar. Look at prplhz's 3 posts before the one I just quoted: On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote: so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure? On September 29 2011 21:40 prplhz wrote: so who do you think is scummier of the two? are any of them scum at all? On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote: i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum. Is he contributing to the lynch? No. First he underhandedly accuses Forumite by suggesting he doesn't care about the lynch. Then he asks Forumite of his opinion on Palmar/Curu and criticizes Forumite for not trying to figure out if Palmar/Curu are scummy townies or scum, while failing to provide any insight himself. It is obvious that prplhz is not trying to bring clarity to the thread, but is rather trying to stir doubt. Yet after the lynch, he claims (using sarcasm) that he was instrumental in Palmar's lynch. This is clearly not true. prplhz is trying to claim undeserved credit for Palmar's lynch. There is no reason for a townie to do this. Thus, prplhz is mafia. | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:28 Incognito wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Dear town, please ignore wherebugsgo. If he starts making sense and stops making a bunch of baseless assumptions maybe I'll start listening to him. Until then, he's just taking up space and has 1/6 of all the posts in this thread. None of them are very interesting. Also stop using gimmicky words like "OMGUS" and "meta". They're mostly meaningless terms people tack onto their "analyses" to make them look legitimate. I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. Unless you make some real arguments I will just ignore you or squish you like a bug, depending on how ridiculous you are. Note that there is likely a lot of KP this game. Which should be fun if you are a vig, as there are plenty of nice juicy targets lying around. Don't be afraid of PMs. As long as you watch yourself and don't do anything stupid, there's no reason not to take advantage of this resource. Can mafia manipulate? If you keep a healthy dose of skepticism and firmly ground your reasoning in logic, it is actually difficult for mafia to manipulate you. In fact, mafia love it when they can see every little thing that is going on in the thread. While PMs have the reputation for being a playground for manipulation and devious scheming, you just have to back off and look at things objectively and you'll be fine. The main reason PMs are a huge benefit for the town is that it allows us to conceal our actions. In a no-PM game, the mafia have a very good idea of what people are thinking. Generally, most people will be on the wrong track, and occasionally a few will be on the right track. Since no information is withheld from them, they can accurately make informed decisions on night kills and general posting strategy in order to mislead the town and eliminate anyone who could possibly oppose them. If you skillfully use PMs, however, the mafia are unable to accurately judge how active and dangerous you actually are and will be forced to be proactive in PMs and in the thread in order to collect information. Of course, this is inherently uncomfortable for them, as it conflicts their inherent desire to hide. Everyone knows that "mafia start out with an information advantage over the town", but hardly anyone recognizes that mafia needs to maintain that advantage if they want to stay competitive as the game goes longer. Using a healthy dose of PMs makes it that much harder for them to stay on top of the ball. If anything, its easier to manipulate the mafia in PMs than the other way around. With that said, unless something interesting happens (please feel free to let me know if you find anything), I'll be moving to PM land for now. Be back after the day post. Alright when i first saw this post, i was kinda ticked. First he tells town to IGNORE a person (not justified unless its me damn it). Also, notice how he brings up a giant paragraph of PMing. ok thanks but why? I looked around the posts that were made prior and only 1 person said PM in the last 2 pages. lol ok Honestly, i can sum up his entire post history. . . Does nothing on defends himself. He never takes a stance, hes afraid to get caught or something. He accuses WBG of baseless assumptions but look at his fucking prplhz analysis. just look at it holy shit, | ||
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sorry guys i dont feel his post history is worth analyzing. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [PM 2 inkogkneetoe] + My opinion is that he doesnt stand out. you called him out for attacking DropBear and then voting Palmar. pretty dumb call out On September 30 2011 06:21 Incognito wrote: The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. ##Vote Erandorr for this post: Someone please tell me why Erandorr would pop up and pick on DropBear while voting Palmar in the same post. . Look, he basically points out the flaw in DropBear's post and gives an example of something better. I like his post. P.S. he voted Palmar and DB voted Sevyrn. kk Original Message From Incognito: K when you're done attacking me in the thread feel free to respond to this PM. I lied when i said his posts werent worth analyzing. this was some pretty good stuff. Now, i feel no regrets or woe when im analyzing a veteran like Inkogkneetoe. If hes good AND town, im sure he can justify everything he said. | ||
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Your posts are fluff you arent saying shit and you arent reading the thread carefully enough if you're town. YOU would be the one to divert attention away from the suspects such as yourself. | ||
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##aim: risk.nuke plz | ||
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cause i fucking can | ||
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lolol I didnt reply to his 1st one cause they both say the exact same thing then if you look back, you could find the other conversation i had with him. he pmed me this Original Message From Incognito: What is wrong with the prplhz analysis? and i answered but this isnt important lol | ||
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On October 02 2011 09:21 Erandorr wrote: Oh and I dont quite get what you mean with replied? which one? the 2nd one? well, his prplhz analysis was really weak. He still never addressed me or defended himself from me, and i think that is also really shady of him. | ||
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On October 02 2011 14:44 Curu wrote: And Erandorr and Mig can vouch for me being on my scumteam in XLIV. I raged hard at chaoser and Erandorr for doing nothing but busing teammates, and that was with 6 scum. Busing day 1 in a 4 scum game is even more retarded and completely not how I believe in playing as Mafia. Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case. Also: Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM. you're a fucking idiot | ||
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Also, i am one to check the times of posts im analyzing all the time. If you didnt notice, TIME is the reason why i attacked inkog. I like to use time to compare posts in this thread and votes in the voting thread. | ||
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Me, of all people, busing INKOGKNEETOE, of all people, and on top of that, hes not even defending himself from me. what the shit is this? | ||
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On October 02 2011 14:44 Curu wrote: And Erandorr and Mig can vouch for me being on my scumteam in XLIV. I raged hard at chaoser and Erandorr for doing nothing but busing teammates, and that was with 6 scum. Busing day 1 in a 4 scum game is even more retarded and completely not how I believe in playing as Mafia. Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case. Also: Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM. blatant lie. that was the only game we played together in. I do analyses as i please. | ||
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forgot about this. No, this was based on my intuition | ||
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But, im not completely convinced of this sevyrn lynch but itll go anyways (20 minutes left) | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:59 Erandorr wrote: This will go down in history as the most retarded lynch ever. Probably but lets do it anyways, at least its funny xD no you havent experienced a pandain mass vote switch | ||
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no its Kenpachi 2.0 now | ||
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On October 08 2011 06:47 Forumite wrote: 2 Scum down, third identified, still a fourth one to find, but I guess that can wait until tomorrow. whos the 3rd | ||
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safest vote atm. | ||
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On October 10 2011 04:59 risk.nuke wrote: 2 hours left and no evidence has been presented against sevryn by dropbear and wbg, time to lynch wbg No. vote DropBear. ##Unvote Sevyrn ##Vote DropBear | ||
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On October 10 2011 07:03 Kurumi wrote: Night 4 Sevryn the BLU Drunk Demoman has been lynched. lol ok | ||
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On October 10 2011 07:15 supersoft wrote: i was muted. DB is scum. WHY DONT YOU FUCKING CLAIM TO ME ALREADY??? you were muted aka being roleblocked? | ||
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motherfucking.. If hes lying, we lost the game. do you all realize that? | ||
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##VOTE WHEREBUGSGO | ||
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Im the BLU Spy. And SS wanted WBG dead. lets roll town | ||
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1KP is def. not enough to survive another 3 days after wbg, we lynch risk if wbg ends up being town. risk should be smiling because the rest of town (me/forumite/nisani) are confirmed | ||
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On October 11 2011 07:44 Forumite wrote: I agree that the spy is confirmed, but why Nisani? DB tried to convince SS to kill nisani next (KP or lynch) last ditch attempt i believe and he has no reason to suspect Nisani after his relentless attacks on sevyrn | ||
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On October 11 2011 07:52 Nisani201 wrote: SS had a misunderstanding. I told him I was a Heavy (veteran) and I guess he thought it meant Vig. But anyways, he also told me that DB and WBG were scum. Let's wrap this up. ##Vote: wherebugsgo no he said vet. | ||
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through PM 2 hours ago | ||
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db is a save shot tonight. he tries to fool me and tells me to shoot nisani lol the amount of 4 blues makes perfect sense btw. | ||
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DropBear said NOTHING the entire game other than accusing Sevyrn. why accuse Nisani out of the blues? It just isnt natural | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not scum, kenpachi. How is nisani confirmed? If Nisani is confirmed then we need to kill risk.nuke. Nisani is confirmed. Supersoft likes risk.nuke and thinks hes town as well. I believe him. SS wants you gone and requested i get town to lynch you. gg2u | ||
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but im confident you're scum | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Town doesn't have a 100% winrate... If you lynch me and then risk turns out to be town you lose. too bad you're mafia. 100% winrate achieved | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:17 risk.nuke wrote: Kenpachi, How the hell did I become the second most likely target? Intuition | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Kenpachi I'm not scum lol... Think about it. What about my play other than my wrong reads are consistent with scum play? I've pushed two mislynches, one of which everyone else was in support of anyway. The day we killed xt (which lots of other people were responsible for as well) and the day we killed sevryn (which everyone can agree was the best lynch that day) I even asked risk to shoot DB last night because I thought the way risk posted was suggesting he was soft claiming vig: So now if you're the vig kenpachi, what do you make of this statement? Then, finally, think about these things: 1. If I was scum do you think I would spend 24+ hours with NC/Incog and draft up reasons and ideas as to why the day 1 lynch was so easy, and try to figure out what was going on? Then, would I come out of nowhere as scum and take all that attention for a case on CURU that was so easily destroyed by Mig's logs? 2. If I was scum do you think I would put so much effort in to PMing everyone after Curu and Mig died to consolidate all my reads? 3. If I was scum do you think I would have this many fucking logs (with literally every player in the game?) 4. If I was scum would I have gone and given everyone my reads when I thought I was about to get shot by Jackal/Forumite? 5. If I was scum would I really spend so much time faking logs with jcarl? 6. If I was scum would I really tie myself to DB? Come on, think this through. I've done plenty of things this game to show that I'm trying to hunt scum. Yeah, I've been wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean I'm scum. yes i do realize this. | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:33 Forumite wrote: So you believe DB was trying to distance himself from Nisani by calling a shot on him? based on the information given now, Its really hard to say Me, Risk, or you are mafia. Its process of elimination at this point | ||
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first off, Risk has tunneled wbg to the very end. his posts in general are infact NOT scummy. He points out that WBG defends Palmar softly. tries to determine that wbg is mafia. If he certainly was mafia, he would have not came to a conclusion WBG could be detective. thats just plain stupid rofl. WBG or risk, supply some logs. Now on to Nisani. Same case as WBG. always wrong, never provided concrete evidence. did not accuse anyone new, did not use his intuition. Hes at best a null tell. only bandwagoning Vote patterns are weak. both of them are pretty big bandwagoners. Risk actually attacked wbg a couple of times and was part of the Kill Palmar Wagon. Nisani was always wrong. not that it says anything but just some reference for you if you ever want to go into their voting patterns + Show Spoiler + Day 1 votes (weak) risk.nuke votes Palmar last (no reasoning) Nisani201 held his vote on wherebugsgo On September 29 2011 11:17 Nisani201 wrote: I have yet to see anything scummy in Jackal's play. On the other hand, we have WBG OMGUSing, while mirroring his play from MLP mafia. You guys make this too easy. I know where I'm placing my vote. ##Vote: wherebugsgo Day 2 Both votes for Incog Reason for both (Nisani bandwagons with +1): On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill Incognito The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious people wherebugsgo I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito. He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up tnkted Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote: PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear Day 3 votetally is kinda funny: risk pressured Forumite. changes vote to xtffc later (no reasoning) Nisani201 votes for sevyrn after changing votes off xtffc sinani. Final tallies say only 3 people voted Sevyrn: jcarlson, dropbear, and Nisani201. Day 4: risk votes wbg On October 10 2011 01:09 risk.nuke wrote: Seriously guys? Wbg is without a doubt the best candidate for todays lynch and he's slipping under the rug again? He has by far been the worst player from towns perspective. The manipulative playstyle he's had fits the glove anti-town play. This is the last I heard of wbg. Considering how incredibly suspicious the situation was expecting to hear something from him, anything? But I waited and he have said nothing. Lynch him and be done with him. If he's RED we most likely got dropbear red aswell If he's BLU we can go for sevryn tomorrow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Detective. 8 players left, mafia is down to 1kp, It's time to step forward and tell us what you have. Nisani bandwagons Sevyrn On October 10 2011 05:22 Nisani201 wrote: Sevyrn Sevyrn begins by voting NC, he simply defends it but doesn't comment on anything else going on in the thread. Then he votes for Curu because of NC's analysis, but backs down after Mig nullifies it and calls it a "distraction case." Again, he isolates himself from everything else going on in the thread. Now he's voting for WBG, who is probably a Townie because of his logs with Jcarl. Probably voting for him because he doesn't want to vote/pressure one of his scumbuddies. Let's kill him, please. ##Vote: Sevyrn | ||
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risk gives a town vibe tbh. Just read them. you'll see that it is very hard for him to be mafia | ||
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On October 11 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Kenpachi if you read the logs I just posted you'd know risk hasn't played a game of mafia before. It's basically a coin flip right now between risk and nisani. Lesser of two evils IMO. lol. its all good then. you and nisani are dying. end of story | ||
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On October 13 2011 07:07 risk.nuke wrote: Will the game end now if the last last scum is a sniper? gg. wanna get lynched? gg. Nisani and Forumite are both vet you derp | ||
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Original Message From supersoft: nono, snipers are muted, the only muted person left is forum ^_^ | ||
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