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Alright so here's what I think:
Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here.
risk.nuke and Sevyrn have even shittier posts than me.
Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games.
WBG's attack on tnkted was pretty derp.
PS. sinani saying I ruin games is pretty fucking funny. This guy has goldfish memory or some shit.
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My role PM was all black. But I can kinda understand that, I forgot Kenachi claimed green Townie last time he was scum in Kurumi's game.
But Palmar's still scum, let's kill him dead.
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Actually lol scumslip alert, all the Townie PMs were black not blue.
Let's kill Palmar already.
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Kurumi can you copy paste a Mafia sample PM for us please, exactly how it is. Colours and everything.
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And a sample power Town one please.
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Go on Frodo, vote for the evil Gollum who killed you.
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I voted for you on the irrefutable evidence that we are always opposite alignments.
Then I noticed you skirting the thread and throwing out dumb accusations which pretty much validated my vote on you into a real one.
Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup.
The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners.
Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum.
And no PMs aren't in the OP Kurumi, you coloured the PM names blue in them but my PM is all black. My guess from his reluctance is that he actually coloured the Mafia ones red to emphasize that you are Mafia which screwed Palmar into thinking the Town PM had blue colours.
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On September 29 2011 23:23 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote:
i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum. Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it. On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum.
What the fuck is this? I'm not playing the same as the two games I was scum with you, therefore I must be scum?
Are you retarded or something?
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I can't wrap my head around what you are trying to say. I said I tried to change my Town metagame. I don't give a fuck what my Mafia metagame looks like. So because I'm not playing like my scum metagame of blind aggression I must be scum in this game. You haven't even played with my Town game before but you think I am scummy for meta reasons (because I am not playing like I do as Mafia, what the fuck). You also clearly haven't gone and actually read any games I was Town in and conveniently ignore everyone else who has been useless/unhelpful in this game (COUGH PALMAR COUGH).
You aren't really this derp are you? Seriously? Are you scum or is your logic/reasoning really just this ass backwards?
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Also lol Forumite comes in saying I am scummy without commenting on any of the posts or content between me and Palmar, merely pointing out that he thinks I am unhelpful and not playing like Mafia so I am probably Mafia.
Then goes to on say Mig has some good points. Hey buddy, I raised pretty much the exact same points in my little spat with Palmar but you thought I was scummy for it.
On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote:
Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here.
On September 29 2011 20:27 Curu wrote:
Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup.
The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners.
Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum.
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wtf do you mean you can't trust my metagame? You don't have the faintest clue what my Town play looks like.
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Cool so if it's a nulltell why exactly am I more scummy than Palmar?
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Couldn't you have picked something less annoying to smurf as GMarshal?
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lol DropBear. Palmar's early game is shitty? He correctly identified me, Mig, and BB as scum day 1 in XLIV, made the entire Mafia team forfeit day 2 in Swedish House, and led the lynch on the Godfather day 1 of Haunted House.
I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no.
Sevyrn is looking pretty godamn scummy but he is Sevyrn after all.
I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol).
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Yeah I didn't actually fish for it though. Palmar and the mods made that mess themselves.
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That's not even the condemning part, just icing on the cake. My points and Mig's still stand regardless of PM slip-up or no PM slip-up.
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Looks like I'm getting modkilled regardless but I'm pretty sure Kurumi's decision in that is because you actually are scum. Dunno why he would threaten to modkill both of us if we were both Townies since playing like that would already be punishment to our win con.
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Well looking at Palmar's posts as a Doc in Cosmic Horror I don't buy that his whacktastic play is because he is trying to hide as a DT. He played in that game up to his normal standards.
Whatever, just play like no one is getting the modkill hammer. Like I said the host situation isn't even why I thought Palmar was scum, I would have pushed this lynch regardless.
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Want me to edit out that post?
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