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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 03:38 GMT
#1546
On October 11 2011 09:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Slimey shit you were. This is the keyphrase you so conveniently leaves out " think about it, if I'm town, who is scum?"

I know I am not town.
I know Kenpachi is spy.
You are dead from the lynch.

That leaves forumite and nisani.

Desperate slimey shit.


lol

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 03:44 GMT
#1547
TBH neither Nisani nor risk.nuke look good from their filters/PM histories.

Nisani do you have any logs? Who have you talked to?

Seriously Kenpachi, the optimal situation is to lynch through risk.nuke/nisani. If risk pops town then it has to be nisani.

The problem is that if I get lynched it's a coin flip for forumite. There's literally almost nothing either player has offered to town, so they both are (almost) completely unreadable.

Pros for risk.nuke:

1. He's new
2. He's responded to PMs
3. He gave me some logs (not many, though)

Cons:

1. He's done nothing
2. He has no reasoning for anything
3. He can't provide reasons when asked
4. He says weird shit in general
5. He ninja votes
6. Often disappears when receiving suspicion

Nisani

Pros:

1. He gave us an IRC channel with a log from the beginning of the game
2. At least uses some minimal reasoning (like his last post, for instance)
3. Doesn't disappear at weird times of day, as far as I can tell

Cons:

1. He's not conforming to his meta from MLP of being very aggressive. Once he thought I was scum in MLP he never let go (and he was correct)
2. He doesn't contribute anything
3. His votes are often given without reasons
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 05:03 GMT
#1550
+ Show Spoiler [DB] +
[23:23] <DropBear> sup
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> hey DB
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> can you give me your reads?
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> town reads and scum reads
[23:23] <DropBear> iv been mia most of the time
[23:23] <wherebugsgo___> I'm about to start a league match so I'll brb
[23:23] <DropBear> i asked kurumi for replacement
[23:24] <DropBear> scum reads
[23:24] <DropBear> sinani206
[23:24] <DropBear> and sevryn iv been saying that since day 1
[23:24] <DropBear> you're my main town read cos you always play like this from what iv seen
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> I'm about to post
[23:24] <DropBear> id say jcarl is probably town
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> a sinani case
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> and the thing is
[23:24] <DropBear> can we hang sevryn
[23:24] <DropBear> please
[23:24] <wherebugsgo___> I think I have all 3 scum
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> sinani sevryn forumite
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> but
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> forumite might be swapped out with risk
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> not sure yet
[23:25] <wherebugsgo___> anyway I'll brb
[23:25] <DropBear> ok
[23:59] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[23:59] <wherebugsgo___> are you vanilla?
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AutYqafTwGaMdFJaNHhFQ05nYzZsUzdITUtIRzFMS3c&hl=en_US
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> I'm going to add your reads here
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> I have the reads of all the townies
[00:00] <DropBear> ye bro vanilla
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> also some scum
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> because I've been talking to everyone today
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> anyway
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> what i'm about to do
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> is make a case on sinani
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> and tell everyone
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> to lynch him
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> then sevryn
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk.nuke
[00:00] <DropBear> id rather do sevryn first
[00:00] <wherebugsgo___> the last scum is between those two
[00:01] <DropBear> but i can get behind a sinani lynch too
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> I know you would lol
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> the thing is
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> more people support a sinani lynch atm
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> but honestly
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> if they're both scum it doesn't matter
[00:01] <wherebugsgo___> they both voted you
[00:02] <DropBear> did they?
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> yep
[00:02] <DropBear> i thought sevryn voted risk nuke
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> sinani came in and voted you
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn voted you the other day
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> but I believe he voted risk.nuke today, yeha
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> anyway, I doubt risk is mafia
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> he's just super noob
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> but no one has defended him
[00:02] <DropBear> ye its his first gmae
[00:02] <wherebugsgo___> yep, he told me
[00:03] <DropBear> i was speaking to him on the first day
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> mhmm
[00:03] <DropBear> in irc
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> he sent me the log
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> well
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> not of IRC
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> but his PMs
[00:03] <wherebugsgo___> Sevryn soft defended Forumite and sinani when I talked to him
[00:04] <wherebugsgo___> so you think I'm town right who else?
[00:04] <wherebugsgo___> who are the scummiest beyond sinani/sevryn?
[00:04] <DropBear> well jcarl seems town
[00:04] <DropBear> and supersoft
[00:05] <DropBear> mostly cos he just blu claimed to me lol
[00:05] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:05] <wherebugsgo___> I agree on both of those
[00:05] <wherebugsgo___> strongest townies
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi?
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> xt?
[00:06] <DropBear> i never know how to read kenpachi lol
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> lol
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> okay. so null you think?
[00:06] <DropBear> ye null
[00:06] <DropBear> i got no idea on him
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[00:06] <wherebugsgo___> I'm pretty sure he's town
[00:07] <DropBear> xt replaced marshal right?
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> yes
[00:07] <DropBear> marshal was throwing up the sort of shit he did
[00:07] <DropBear> both times iv been on a scum team with him
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> ok
[00:07] <DropBear> the curu cae
[00:07] <DropBear> *case
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> right
[00:07] <DropBear> was the biggest pile of shit iv ever seen in my life
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> lool
[00:07] <DropBear> it reminds me of pick their powere
[00:07] <wherebugsgo___> indeed
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> I read that game
[00:08] <DropBear> when he convinced everyone that palmar shot the mole
[00:08] <DropBear> to gain town cred rofl
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> so the one thing
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> I have a problem with xt/Gmarsh on
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> is that he raged
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> and I'm pretty sure
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> it's legitimate, cause he replaced out
[00:08] <DropBear> and we got palmar lynched over bumatlarge who was confirmed in the day post haha
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> and he apologized to me
[00:08] <DropBear> id say hes dodgy
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> also xt I'm getting a townish? read on
[00:08] <DropBear> but not sevryn dodgy
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> but not sure still
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> yes indeed
[00:08] <wherebugsgo___> xt avoided giving me reads
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> in IRC earlier today
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> and he was acting a bit weird
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> it's all in the loonybin logs
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> but lynching him before sevryn/sinani would be dumb
[00:09] <wherebugsgo___> unless one of them flips town
[00:10] <DropBear> i am definitely for sevryn and sinani first
[00:10] <DropBear> and sevryn over sinani
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> yup
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> okay so
[00:10] <DropBear> supersoft claimed blu spy btw
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> I predict I will die after this lynch
[00:10] <DropBear> i can tell you that i think
[00:10] <wherebugsgo___> ?
[00:10] <DropBear> he claimed in thread
[00:10] <DropBear> that he was incognitos mysterious night vigi
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> indeed
[00:11] <DropBear> i pmd him lke an hour ago asking if his sniper claim was legit
[00:11] <DropBear> and if he could shoot sevryn
[00:11] <DropBear> and he said spy not sniper
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> yep he can only shoot at night
[00:11] <DropBear> so hes night only
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> I've been getting a power role vibe from super
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> basically I'm not going to out him
[00:11] <wherebugsgo___> he's got two shots
[00:12] <DropBear> ye good keep it under wraps
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> if you guys mislynch after tomorrow night because forumite is town
[00:12] <DropBear> he did kind of open claim lol
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol
[00:12] <DropBear> which is kind of random
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> so oaky
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> I see
[00:12] <DropBear> i dont think he needed to
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> we lynch sinani, sevryn gets shot
[00:12] <wherebugsgo___> if either flips town you have xt/forumite and game's over basically
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> we lynch sinani and sevryn gets shot, both scum
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> lynch xt/forumite, one flips town other gets shot
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> then if both were town last guy is risk
[00:13] <DropBear> ok
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> so I think our chances are good
[00:13] <DropBear> why forumite
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> the last ? factor was you basically
[00:13] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn soft defended him
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> and
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he's been around
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> for 3 days now
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> despite being either blue/scum
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> if he was blue I think he would've been shot long ago
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he slipped about the drunk demo on night 1 basically
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he would've made a perfect night 1 shot
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> plus he literally hasn't done anything
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> for being a mute
[00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he suspects me
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> and tnkted
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> no contributions at all
[00:15] <DropBear> isnt tnkted modkiled
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> yeah tnkted died
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm saying, we were his only scum reads
[00:15] <DropBear> ok
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> he also avoided Curu's attacks
[00:15] <DropBear> ill read up on him
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> yep
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> okay so
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> this spreadsheet
[00:15] <wherebugsgo___> has been given to the green townies you see
[00:16] <wherebugsgo___> all of them have it, and no one else does
[00:16] <DropBear> ok
[00:16] <wherebugsgo___> you think nisani and erandor are town?
[00:17] <DropBear> i liked incognitos case on erandorr day 1
[00:17] <DropBear> i thought he was dodgy early
[00:17] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:17] <DropBear> i kind of forgot about him after the curu/incog shit that went down
[00:17] <wherebugsgo___> yeah
[00:17] <DropBear> been too busy to have another look
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[00:18] <DropBear> nisani i got no idea
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> Mig and Curu
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> thought Erandorr was town
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> and they didn't provide the reasoning but I believe their conclusion was pretty solid
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> they weren't able to give me their logs before they died
[00:18] <DropBear> yeah
[00:18] <wherebugsgo___> nisani I have strong reasons to believe he's town
[00:18] <DropBear> well mig was the most obvious townie
[00:18] <DropBear> ok
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> so if any of these guys
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> want to talk to you
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> just let them know
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> I mean, I know you're busy
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> so you might be better off
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> posting something of substance in the thread
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> and I will back you up as being a townie
[00:19] <DropBear> ok
[00:19] <DropBear> i dont have time right now im about to go
[00:19] <DropBear> ill be on again in a few hours
[00:19] <wherebugsgo___> that's fine, just do it asap
[00:20] <wherebugsgo___> I'll be getting off for about 12 hours after I make the case on sinani
[00:20] <DropBear> cool cool
[00:21] <DropBear> alright im off
[00:21] <DropBear> ttyl
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 07:47 GMT
#1551
DB spoke to risk on day 1 and risk gave me those logs.

Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 13:49 GMT
#1558
Indeed, but Nisani has literally nothing.

The optimal play here is to lynch Nisani and risk, we'll win for sure if we do that. If you lynch me the game is 50/50. Quite literally.

If you honestly believe I'm scum and I somehow had the foresight to fake hours and hours of conversation with DB and jcarl then go ahead and vote me, but I'm gifting you all the opportunity to win the game by lynching through nisani/risk and it would be rude not to accept it.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 14:15 GMT
#1562
It was a joke.

Also, you've got to be kidding me. There is no concept of "confirmation" when it comes to vanilla townies.

You base this on who you think is most likely to be scum. I'mtelling you right now what the solution to the game is. You lynch nisani/risk and we win.

One of these players is town and he needs to identify himself as such. Otherwise, if you guys decide to lynch me today you're going to have to do the tough decision making tomorrow.

Either you believe I'm town and you take the easy path of lynching nisani and risk, or you believe I'm scum and shoot yourself in the foot by lynching another townie and then flip a coin between nisani and risk tomorrow. Your decision. I realize this is a pressured decision but I've given you everything I can. All the logs, all my information, everything I can as best as I can to prove to the best of my ability that I am town. There is literally nothing left I can do.

I'm telling you now that you'regoing to have to choose between Nisani and risk either today or tomorrow. If you do it today it isn't actually a choice, you can lynch both. If you choose me today the entire town effort has been wasted for us to get a 50/50 shot at winning.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 14:17 GMT
#1563
Actually lol I didn't even think about that, if risk/Nisani is the scum sniper by lynching me it's an auto loss
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 14:32 GMT
#1565
Other than the fact that I've been wrong, why am I scum?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 14:40 GMT
#1567
SS was vanilla town, how the hell could he be infallible?

You guys take the word of confirmed townies like it's the gospel.

Also, I've already addressed the DB issue. If I were scum I would not have a three page log with him in PMs.

You could make conflicting arguments on the basis of which townies thought what. Erandorr thought I was town. Mig gave me and super 75% chance to be town (and Mig was only wrong about GM/xt) Curu thought DB and jcarl were town just like I did, and in fact, the basis of my argument for them both being town was the confirmation of information and reasoning I received from Curu.

I've just been working with what I've got and have been given.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 16:49 GMT
#1570
False, I opposed Incog's lynch until there was no other choice, I opposed lynching xt until that last minute derp (rather large part my own fault)

As for finding scum, tbh no one else really did either. Mig is the only person I can say this game who had his shit together as town. He was right almost every single time.

We found jcarl thanks to Erandorr's DT check and we found DB after Sevryn flipped town.
Sevryn/DB was a coinflip and we just chose the wrong one first.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 11 2011 16:50 GMT
#1571
Also wtf there was never a serious lynch effort for DB. Stop making up shit
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 12 2011 03:19 GMT
#1574
risk.nuke scum, calling it now
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 12 2011 04:37 GMT
#1576
if anyone has anything more to ask of me, just PM me or post in the thread. I've said all I can on my own and I can't really do anything on my own (clearly) to convince any of you that this lynch is wrong.

I blame no one but myself for this.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 12 2011 16:48 GMT
#1579
You're gonna have it rough Forumite, sorry to say.

Also my call is completely useless. It's still pretty much a coinflip, since Nisani disappeared for a very long time when he was asked for those logs. Granted, they seem genuine.

Good luck lol
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 12 2011 21:36 GMT
#1585
Hahah the funny thing is, last game you were in you had a tough decision with respect to me. Last time you chose the no lynch and you were wrong.

This time you chose the lynch and you are wrong hahaha.

Okay sorry I realize your job is tough tomorrow lol
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 14 2011 21:04 GMT
#1636
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 16 2011 00:15 GMT
#1655
I would've lynched Nisani as soon as he faked sniper shot after risk.

But it was my fault that town got into that situation in the first place (sorry guys)

I really don't know why I played so shitty, but I did. Nothing really made sense to me from start to finish, the modkills of tnkted and Curu kinda bothered me, and the whole thing was just -_-

really really sorry to town on my bad
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 16 2011 00:24 GMT
#1657
because he purposely muddied it up.

If he was town, he would've waited until after one hour was up in order to prove to you that he wasn't the red sniper. Instead, he shot while risk.nuke was aiming too.

Also, no one asked either player to aim. Risk did it because you guys thought that, since he was talking about the existence of a red sniper, he must've been it. I support risk aiming like that, but nisani aiming was just ??

As town, why would Nisani aim at that time? There is literally no purpose to that except to muddy the waters.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 16 2011 01:15 GMT
#1659
and that's a townie reaction how? lol
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 16 2011 20:17 GMT
#1676
On October 17 2011 01:39 Nisani201 wrote:
One more thing: if any of you (like risk.nuke) had put the effort into making a case against me on the final day, I probably would have been lynched. The fact that I didn't comment AT ALL on the Palmar lynch, WBG could have seen that I had no strong opinions on my scumbuddies (well, he's probably or kind of whatever). WBG was very close-minded throughout the game.


Yeah I did notice this and I do remember commenting on it.

Like other players who were focused on Incog and stuff I just wasn't able to focus on the right people.

Instead I tried to focus my attention on why things weren't making sense, and that just led me to townies who were behaving strangely. In turn that made me look stupid.
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