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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 11 2011 20:33 GMT
#27
oh yes! /in
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 12 2011 08:39 GMT
#45
lol i hope i won't be gollum :D

let's invite liquidnazgul for this one
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 14 2011 08:31 GMT
#64
On September 14 2011 06:10 Lanaia wrote:
I want to in, but school just started and all. And I'm already swamped! (How does that even happen).

Looks like it'll be an awesome game!


work life balance! You can only do good at school when you play some mafia in your free time.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 22:47:52
September 15 2011 22:47 GMT
#90
ah sorry, it's not possible to /out anymore. :-/
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#126
oh no, i hope the day/nightcycle won't begin and end at like 5 am in europe :-(

can we start in about 90 minutes? 1 am in europe would be nice :-)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 16 2011 23:18 GMT
#137
i am still reading the daypost. it's size is impressive :D
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 17 2011 00:17 GMT
#147
i completely disagree with this, since his ringquestion onviously was a joke, and i am not sure if your vote on him is a joke, too.

Tom Bombadil is a friend of Gandalf, so obviously not evil and rather town than neutral. Neutral would be Gollum I guess, because he just wants the ring for himself and doesnt really help anyone.
Why do we talk especially about tom bombadil?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 17 2011 00:26 GMT
#152
On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:
On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:
Let's get this game started!

As always, some general advice:

1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.

2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.

3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good.


Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time.

Also, ##vote: Greymist

asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.


I agree with this.

##Vote: Greymist


Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going.
Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?


what? they gave "good reasons"?

So you agree with them, that your question about the ring is scummy, although it was only a joke.
You dont need to be nice to people if they vote you for no reason just because they are vets here.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 17 2011 00:33 GMT
#159
On September 17 2011 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On September 17 2011 09:26 supersoft wrote:
On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:
On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:
Let's get this game started!

As always, some general advice:

1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.

2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.

3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good.


Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time.

Also, ##vote: Greymist

that's correct and i am not against "random"-votes to get the game going. But I am suspicious of people who say that a vote on themselves is well reasoned.

asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.


I agree with this.

##Vote: Greymist


Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going.
Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?


what? they gave "good reasons"?

So you agree with them, that your question about the ring is scummy, although it was only a joke.
You dont need to be nice to people if they vote you for no reason just because they are vets here.


There is no good reason this early. The real reason is to start discussions. Kitaman just voted for somebody without saying anything at all, at least we're discussing something now. If bandwagons exist, mafia are drawn to them and the more we talk and the more people vote, the easier it is to catch them.

If you're expecting a well thought out scumhunt 10 posts after the day then you should stop because that doesn't ever happen

supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 17 2011 00:36 GMT
#160
oh this is bugged. I wrote something in there -,-
let me try again:

its okay for me if you pressurevote someone. But I am suspicious of people who say that votes on themselves are well reasoned if they aren't.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 17 2011 11:26 GMT
#260
On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote:
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On September 17 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote:

On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:

Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment.


They definitely should be.


Nope. The entire content of his post was all based on game mechanics. Game mechanics reveal zero about a player's alignment, so if you give people town cred for posting that, the whole mafia team is going to do it and pretty soon you're completely fucked.

Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia?

+ Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] +

As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town.
Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead?


i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 00:25 GMT
#372
okay I just catched up and made my notes.

chaoser
votes Greymist to start the discussion and pressure him (doesnt really vote in the thread)
DrH and Drazerk follow him on that - therefore he concludes that they are probably town.

„From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on
greymist.“


This might be some kind of a scumslip. I don't know why he posts that. They are not under pressure and he's not under pressure.

He also votes prplhz. I don't think prplhz is a better lynchcandidate than Greymist. Chaoser is suspicious in my eyes

GreYMisT
He made a joke about the ring in his first post. Chaoser DrH and Drazerk vote him. I defend him and say it probably was a joke. He comes back and says that chaoser and DrH provided good reasons for their votes on him? - Suspicious. Obviously they had no good reasons, they just wanted to start a discussion.
Okay. Later on he agrees with me and says it was a joke.

@ Navillus
ah, you claim VT. I'd like to know what race you are. like hobbit/dwarf etc. Just curious. Can you say your name? I just want to know.

@ Drazerk

How do you know, that postrestricions are definetely in place. Are you restricted? I'll filter you :-P

about Drazerk: He votes grey, thinks he posted a reason before, but hasnt... lol

iGrok

Votes Drazerk. Gives no reason. I expect way more out of him. I saw him play as GF in my first mafiagame on TL.net.
He made huge posts, gave reasons etc. If you're town, please give some more reasons etc.

@ TranceStorm
your plan sucks.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 00:28 GMT
#373
these players are suspicious for me so far. WBG isn't he could be everything. He also could be Bilbo who's crazy and just wants his ring back; he could be Gollum; he could be Sauron. Whatever, we don't know.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 00:31 GMT
#374
and yes. I changed my playstyle :D
I won't spam that much this game, I couldn't convince anyone not to lynch sevryn and hiro in TL Mafia VXL or whatever it was by spamming. This won't happen again.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 22:18 GMT
#582
sorry guys, i was on the road the whole day and only have my telephone to post today.
i vote iGrok because of the reasons i gave in my last post.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 22:39 GMT
#601
wait a sec pls i try to catch up. like i said i wasnt avaliable and now i am a bit drunk + i am postin with my iphone.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 22:58 GMT
#611
lol whatever! i filtered prplhz and erandorr and. both dont seem very scummy to me. i think chaoser and igrok are far more scummy right now. i'll get internet access in my hotel where i stay tomorrow and will catch up.
if i have to decide between both, maybe erandorr is a little bit scummier. but really, this post edit lie is straNge, but it doesnt give much information about his alignment...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 19 2011 20:42 GMT
#741
On September 19 2011 05:08 chaos13 wrote:
Sorry I haven't been around, been busy, and this may be my only chance to post today. I will be voting for supersoft.

Let's take a look at some of his posts:

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On September 17 2011 20:26 supersoft wrote:
i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me.


Take note of this - he thinks WBG is scummy. While he doesn't say it outright (not wanting to commit to a stance) he implies it by saying it's 'artificial'.


Now we've got his opinion on a bunch of different players, and in the post following this one he states that these are the players he is most suspicious of.

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On September 18 2011 09:25 supersoft wrote:
okay I just catched up and made my notes.

chaoser
votes Greymist to start the discussion and pressure him (doesnt really vote in the thread)
DrH and Drazerk follow him on that - therefore he concludes that they are probably town.

„From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on
greymist.“


This might be some kind of a scumslip. I don't know why he posts that. They are not under pressure and he's not under pressure.

He also votes prplhz. I don't think prplhz is a better lynchcandidate than Greymist. Chaoser is suspicious in my eyes

Not once has he mentioned either Greymist or prplhz previously, and he provides no reasons for his reads here. Apparently because chaoser disagrees with supersoft's unspoken reads, that makes him suspicious. This is not townie behavior.

GreYMisT
He made a joke about the ring in his first post. Chaoser DrH and Drazerk vote him. I defend him and say it probably was a joke. He comes back and says that chaoser and DrH provided good reasons for their votes on him? - Suspicious. Obviously they had no good reasons, they just wanted to start a discussion.
Okay. Later on he agrees with me and says it was a joke.

Recaps what Greymist has done this game. Cool. That provides nothing useful at all, anyone could have done this. Weak reason for being suspicious. Again, not townie behavior.

@ Navillus
ah, you claim VT. I'd like to know what race you are. like hobbit/dwarf etc. Just curious. Can you say your name? I just want to know.

Why is this guy on your suspicious list?

@ Drazerk

How do you know, that postrestricions are definetely in place. Are you restricted? I'll filter you :-P

about Drazerk: He votes grey, thinks he posted a reason before, but hasnt... lol

Again, just repeating what's happened so far. Providing nothing new or useful.

iGrok

Votes Drazerk. Gives no reason. I expect way more out of him. I saw him play as GF in my first mafiagame on TL.net.
He made huge posts, gave reasons etc. If you're town, please give some more reasons etc.

Best reasoning so far, but still weak. His entire explanation here is that he plays better; doesn't find any scummy behavior, just that he isn't townie enough.

@ TranceStorm
your plan sucks.

Bad plan =/= scum. Besides, his plan really isn't that bad. I can't see any way in which it will hurt us badly.


Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 09:28 supersoft wrote:
these players are suspicious for me so far. WBG isn't he could be everything. He also could be Bilbo who's crazy and just wants his ring back; he could be Gollum; he could be Sauron. Whatever, we don't know.


Remember earlier when I was talking about what sort of contradictions are scumtells and which aren't? This is one that is a scum tell. For no apparent reason, WBG is no longer suspicious. In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one:
1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence
2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance

These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum. No, he's not.

##Vote supersoft


ah yeah. lol. this is your accusation?

this is a circular reasoning. The time I called wbg artificial, no one thought about a post-restriction yet. After I saw this post-restriction assumption, I knew why he was artificial. Because of the post restriction ofc. The riddle is solved. Consequently he's not one of my targets anymore, because besides his artificial behavior he wasn't scummy.
There is no contradiction of opinion without new evidence. The new evidence was the post-restriction. A contradiction is nowhere near.

Wishywashy? Okay I am wishywashy. You know what? I even apologize for that. I am in Berlin and currently work in the German Parliament for 3 days. I return home at Wednesday. I was offered this opportunity yesterday so didn't knew it earlier.
However, because I am not on the scumteam, noone can provide me with information about what's going on. Therefore I have to read the whole thread with my iphone. GG

Anyway. This doesn't stop me from kicking the scumteams ass.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 21 2011 19:09 GMT
#1191
hmm we have 4 hours left. I am back from Berlin. Sad that so many players were modkilled so far.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 21 2011 19:40 GMT
#1206
On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia?


You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now


Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say:

What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia?


Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours.


That's wrong. We are the majority, but mafia has a much higher killpotential. They only lost DrH. We lost many more people. Right now, the scumteam is in an advanteogus position.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#1219
okay i am convinced that killing iGrok is suboptimal. I trust his claim. There are no contradicitons in his whole behaviour to it. His play is no VT play, but it also isn't scumplay. Before the claim, he was just useless and a little bit distracting. I guess he wanted to prevent mafia to shoot him and us to lynch him.

What we need is a better target. More than 2 hours to go.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 22 2011 10:10 GMT
#1319
yes well, sorry for not voting, i was so tired and i slept in. i didnt want to vote for jackal. therefore i tried to find a better target. palmar what do you think about radfield. i think he controlled the town day1/2 and lead us nowhere. jackal really was a bad lynch. lynching him this early in the game when he had no time to do something and scum had no time to shoot him isn't optimal.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 23 2011 05:30 GMT
#1494
TS, your case against me is so bad. please read my posts. i said that i'll be back at wednesday in the thread. i also started to ask people about their opinion on radfield, because i wanted to build a case against him today.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 23 2011 15:51 GMT
#1574
chaoser is definetely not scum. forget about him as a lynch candidate asap please. i also don't want to hear any more iGrok accuses. we need to kill scum. boromir sucks as a fakeclaim candidate since i think that legolas/gimli/aragorn/gandalf/boromir and the four hobbits are very likely part of the game.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 23 2011 15:54 GMT
#1580
we can lynch both after all evil was killed.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 23 2011 21:58 GMT
#1635
damn iGrok, give us the name. Don't play around. I promise you that you won't get lynched.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 24 2011 12:01 GMT
#1684
##vote: OriginalName

I have nothing to add to pyos and heists accuses. I filtered ON and I got the same impression. I don't know whether iGrok really checked him or not, and I don't care. I want to kill scum today.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 24 2011 23:04 GMT
#1755
oh lol :-o
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