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I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information.[/QUOTE] I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:50 Erandorr wrote: Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea) If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. It does fit the flavor well though | ||
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This makes him third party. Interesting. And I think I know what his wincon is. | ||
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On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo This is pretty much why I voted for him. I want to see what his role does, and he's not acting at all like he did in Resurrection or... XL, was it? one of the normals where he beast-moded the game | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf you voted me? It's not in this thread o_O I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. At this point, I feel like you're 3rd party. And you aren't scumhunting at all. So... no. | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Don't discredit me without actually reading my posts. I'll do whatever I want (though I did read your posts). You've given us no reason to trust anything you say. | ||
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On September 18 2011 19:31 heist wrote: Gone the entire day and just found out I forgot to place my vote on Navillus. Oh well. I no longer feel like he's scum based on his subsequent responses, just a townie with some bad decisions. WBG, DrH, and Drazerk are terrible lynches right now. WBG is definitely the easy lynch right now and most likely NOT SCUM. DrH is arguably one of the most active and most town player we have right now. Frankly, the justifications for Drazerk are weak, really really weak. However without much better alternative, I'm liking Syllogism's plan for now. No more lurking from those that could be such an asset to the town. I will go ahead and double that pressure. ##Vote: Jackal58 When you say NOT SCUM, you mean NOT MAFIA. SCUM and MAFIA are like Rectangles and Squares. WBG is definitely SCUM, but he isn't definitely MAFIA. + Show Spoiler + In fact, I'm doubtful that he is mafia. He's probably Gollum | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:30 Erandorr wrote: My brain is not working today at all O.o (SO baaad that I actually did an edit in a mafia game /facepalm ) I guess I will try again: I make a decent lynch target when I filtered myself but I actually still do think that wbg is a good target, because his behaviour has been off. First what I considered trolling then claiming posting restrictions and then going back to posting normally like he didnt have one. And doing all that without giving a clear reason. Thats not weird to you in any way? Where's the rest of the post? You know it will come out. If we have to FW will post it. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:45 Mig wrote: Erandorr gets a warning for the edit. If he edits again it's a modkill Please ask FW to post the pre-edit text | ||
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Palmar - Not doing much so far Radfield - Has been active. Pulled wagons off GreyMist and WBG, onto Errandor. Suspicious. Syllogism - Was active early on in Ring discussions. prplhz - Leaving this until later kitaman27 - No great analysis, but decent reasons for voting and has worked to pressure OriginalName - After watching him play in Resurrection, he's playing the same way. Minimum contribution to avoid focus. Vain - 1 liners except to defend prplhz Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list? TranceStorm - I see a connection between TranceStorm and Radfield forming when I filter him. TS often references Radfield's arguements. TS also attacked prplhz early on | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:50 Radfield wrote: Shit, it's the vote list.... that makes so much more sense.... ... Yeah. | ||
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Sure is empty in here. | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:32 OriginalName wrote: Why is it that whenever im actually around the thread basically dies? Do you guys hate me that much? Why are you never around when other people are! >: O | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: Are you ever going to post something or are you going to lurk the entire day away? Yeah I am. Just finishing it up now actually | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:45 iGrok wrote: Yeah I am. Just finishing it up now actually I should clarify that that means sometime in the next hour most likely | ||
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On September 21 2011 05:07 syllogism wrote: I'm off, iGrok you better have defended yourself by the time I come back tomorrow. Perhaps even claim. I've been thinking about this. And I think it is, in fact, time for me to claim. So, as my meta, this is my incredibly huge post. Ok, I've come under a lot of fire lately for lurking. And it's true, I have been. But trying to use meta arguments (other than lack of a monster post, which is never on D1 anyways) on me is stupid - I dare you to find two games in which I've played similar styles as similar roles. And in this game, I'm a role I've never been before. I am the Balrog. I am a Survivor. I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. So, the second part of my wincon has been conveniently fulfilled. Gandalf probably wasn't supposed to die this early - I've got a few powers that would have aided me in my quest for Gandalf.
But that only helps me kill Gandalf. I still need to survive. Fortunately, I have a passive power:
I'll take a quick breather to let you all think about everything I've just said. When you're ready, scroll down. It's time for my favorite! Setup Analysis time! In a closed setup, its difficult - but as a 3rd party role, and with all the recent flips, I think I can figure a few things out. I'll start with my role, as it is the most complicated. Survivors suck. You have to somehow survive to endgame, against a mafia team who doesn't know not to kill you. So you have to be as non-threatening as possible, while avoiding lynch. This leads you to lurk hardcore. This is no fun. But my role is a little different. I have a goal, and tools at my disposal. And I think I've figured out how Curu intended for Balrog to be played - Investigate people, when you find a Maia, use the thread to figure out what kind. Then get them lynched. Use the oneshot to get the ring once it pops up somewhere, and then go into heavy pro-town action to win the game. With the death of Gandalf though, I can change things up a bit. After all, it's in my best interest to survive. And for me, the choice seems clear: Get the ring. With this in mind, I have a proposal for the town. 2 Maia have died (Gandalf and Sauron). One, maybe two are left. Saruman definitely, lets be honest he's going to be in here. He's kind of a big deal in LotR. Radagast on the other hand...+ Show Spoiler + If he's in the game, he's probably a miller or traitor with some sort of bonus power. He was a good guy who aided Saruman in Lotr lore. He's pretty obscure though, so idk if he's in the game. Anyways, my proposal - give me the ring, and I'll trade you an unblockable KP, Saruman checks, and I'll actually contribute useful analysis. Who decides on the KP? Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post. Also, I'll check whoever got the second-most votes each night to see if they are Saruman or Radagast. Why should you trust me? Because this forces me to act pro-town. I'm basically saying, I'm 3rd party but with your help I can be a Bullet-proof Vigilante. Think about that. If I get the ring, I can still be lynched - so if I don't hold up my end, you can lynch me. So thats the deal. I want to win. Give me the ring, and I hunt the other White Wizard, while scumhunting the best I can. As a sign of good faith, I'll include an analysis later on, and I'll tell you that Radfield is neither Saruman nor Radagast (I thought he might be Gandalf). On to the rest of the analysis, what little I can do. Take it or leave it, but I've been known to perfectly guess setups before. I won't attempt to do so, but lets see... First, look at Gandalf's Powers. He's called a Jack of all Trades, but he's not actually that strong. He has 4 powers, but he can't even combine them. Gandalf is supposed to be the strongest damn being in the lotr universe. But he's a purely information role. In contrast, Sauron's Role: He, too, has investigative powers. He also has an unblockable kill, AND is godfather. Sauron just seems like a more powerful role than Gandalf. But what can we take from this? Mafia seem to be pretty heavily loaded. Supporting this are the existence of a Jailkeeper and Messenger - Messengers are awesome for confirming players, and Jailkeepers are excellent on offense or defense against mafia. So, with heavily loaded mafia AND at least one 3rd party, Town has to have some serious firepower and/or protection. I expect Aragorn to have KP (Curu if you make him and Legolas Trackers I will not forgive you - and if GIMLI doesn't have kp... They're the fucking heroes!) I don't forsee there being more than two medics (Eowyn and Galadriel are my guesses), but combined with a Jailkeeper and a vet or two we're starting to talk about some high-power games. My final note about setup: Pippin (Peregrin Took). The existence of pm-oriented roles is cool, and I highly doubt there's just one. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Merry was a clone of Pippin's role. So now its time for some sample analysis. And my focus today is Palmar. On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, Errandor prplhz DrH Radfield, himself, Sandroba, Pyo Pause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:40 GreYMisT wrote: I am inclined to believe this claim. It explains your behavior and it simply makes no sense for mafia to claim this when they have only lost one and we have lost about 5 people. One problem with your plan is the quoted portion above. You are assuming that DTs get to see the role PM of the person they check. What if they only are alignment DTs or something else? What do you suggest they do then? Ehhh... I was thinking of Gandalf's ability. I don't know what they'd do. I'm open to suggestions, but I won't give it away to anyone I have any suspicions of without some form of proof. | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:49 GreYMisT wrote: So unless a power like gandalf's surfaces again, we need to wait for a DT to roleclaim in thread before we can act with your power? No. If a good enough case is made by someone I believe to be town, I'll use it then. But only a PM DT can make me use it no matter what. I'm not passing it off to popular vote because that's too easy to manipulate. | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? What makes you think there is a pm dt in this game? ...because gandalf was one. And my safe claim was Celeborn, Lord of Lothlórien | ||
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On September 21 2011 12:01 heist wrote: Like Trancestorm said, I seriously doubt you'll be able to hold onto the ring. It will most likely fall into mafia hands should we give it to you. How about you help us without the conditions? That does nothing for me then. I'll contribute a bit, but unless I get the ring I'm not going to piss off the mafia. | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:09 syllogism wrote: Also I've a hard time believing that there is a survivor with an unblockable night kill or are you saying it only works on gandalf? As far as I know it works on everyone. Its a oneshot. Since I have to kill Gandalf, it makes sense. | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:18 syllogism wrote: What is your kill flavor Am I allowed to copy and paste parts of my PM? | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:29 sandroba wrote: And my proposition to you is the following: You shoot GGQ in the face and we don't lynch you. Make a case and earn some trust, and then I'll listen to you. Am I allowed to post my entire role pm text? | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:39 syllogism wrote: igrok it sure is taking long to post that pm, you are dangerously close to being dead Just making sure I won't be modkilled. Since Mig's answers break rule 6. | ||
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I'd better not fucking get modkilled for this... | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:46 syllogism wrote: well iGrok I don't think I can allow Evil to exist in Middle Earth ##cleave iGrok I'm going to be extremely displeased with the setup if a clearly evil creature flips neutral when our win con says to purge all evil This had better be a fucking joke. | ||
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It'd be the same as having, like, Smaug or Shelob in the game. | ||
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So, your medic is fucking dumb. Though after the game ends I'm going to chew you out for playing dumb, this is actually hilarious | ||
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On September 21 2011 15:35 syllogism wrote: Calling bullshit on the medic, so you are still lying scum or a bulletproof SK and if you don't see how my above logic makes perfect sense, that just makes you even scummier Sure man. Should clarify that I don't know that its a medic. Anyways. I'm alive, and you're dumb as fuck for using a dayvig shot on a claimed survivor. DT check me if you want, but I've come out as a survivor, made my deal with you, and now I'll wait. When someone less dumb comes on, look at my claim and decide for yourself. + Show Spoiler + Seriously, you used a fucking dayvig shot on a SURVIVOR | ||
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. I was told I took a hit right after you used cleave. : Either I'm secret vet, or a medic saved me. Or something else happened. Actually, unless there's a daymedic it wouldn't have mattered, so... I don't fucking know. And I would know if I already had the ring I believe? | ||
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Until its not just me and syllogism, I'm taking a nap. Wake me when someone useful shows up. | ||
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On September 21 2011 19:10 prplhz wrote: so igrok's defense is "i'm only acting scum so that scum wont hit me 'cause i'm 3rd party!" i think you need to cook up something better than "give me the ring and i might eventually kill saruman who may be evil" also, lore wise, sauron was maia but gandalf/saruman/radagast weren't. they were istari and if you check out sauron's and gandalf's flips you'll see that gandalf doesn't have maia passive ability. i know your post said "those were the four names i was given in my role pm" but it just doesn't make sense and curu doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd make that mistake, especially since role descriptions clearly state who is maia and who is istari. you're pretty scum igrok. Lore-wise, you're full of shit. Maiar: Eönwë | Ilmarë | Ossë | Uinen | Salmar | Sauron | Melian | Arien | Tilion | Gothmog Curumo (Saruman) | Ungoliant | Olórin (Gandalf) | Aiwendil (Radagast) | Alatar (Morinehtar) | Pallando (Rómestámo) | Durin's Bane Source: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Maia | ||
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For everything I said earlier. + Show Spoiler [For those of you who skipped my big post] + On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, Errandor prplhz DrH Radfield, himself, Sandroba, Pyo Pause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually | ||
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First: Palmar, you try to meta me from a game I was BLUE. Dumb. Now, some of you don't get why I claimed. So look at it from my perspective. You have a check. You have a oneshot unblockable kill. If you get the ring, you become bulletproof. If you get the ring, you're fucking set, and you become a town-aligned Bullet-Proof Vigilante with a bonus check. I doubt mafia have a SECOND unblockable shot, it died with Sauron. Which means I really am unkillable by mafia, which makes me town-aligned. I'll prove it. I'm not listening to syllogism or Palmar. However, syllogism, who do you think is the most town - I'll let them pick. Fair compromise? This is so similar to the Protactinium situation chaoser - but its better for town, and thats why I thought it would work this time. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:57 Radfield wrote: There's no way you're telling the whole truth about your role. Absolutely no way. Your wincon makes no sense, as it's far too easy for you achieve victory. The rest I can buy, but there is no way you are getting the ring. If you are an Assassin, you are dead tonight. I hope you realize that. DT me bro | ||
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Palmar GGQ Sandroba syllogisim prplhz raynpelikoneet Palmar is scum (for reasons I've stated before, scum is scared of me. The rest of you: you really can't see why lynching me today is dumb? | ||
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When you're voting, think about things from my perspective. Everything I've done this game, including claiming, makes sense. Even if you aren't sure, I'm at the mercy of the town anyways. Let me prove who I am. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:33 prplhz wrote: iGrok, could you refresh my memory, why is Palmar and scum scared of you? Because if I get the ring they can't touch me and can find Saruman. | ||
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Obviously you fail the second criteria. Anyone who passes both? | ||
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On September 22 2011 15:41 syllogism wrote: The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town. Haha, no, to be honest at this point I'm just messing with you. | ||
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On September 24 2011 01:58 GreYMisT wrote: iGrok claimed to want the ring, because that would make him bullet proof. However here we see that you are not told what you can do with the ring until you have it. Its time to see what role iGrok really has ##Vote iGrok That's my passive ability. After the game I'll paste the PM, and you shall see. You guys are really going to kill me. Wow. It's been fun I guess? | ||
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You're going to kill me. | ||
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On September 24 2011 05:21 heist wrote: You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win. The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night. | ||
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On September 24 2011 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you give us a reason to keep you around, then you might not be lynched. Holding out information is pointless. @rayn: if I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather lynch igrok over chaoser right now. But neither of them really sit right with me as lynches. I'm not experienced enough in games with third parties to know what's best. If I'm not in the lead at 15 minutes before the lynch, I'll reveal. Otherwise you'll just kill me anyways. | ||
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Just got back in range of wifi | ||
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When picking a target last night, I had to think to myself: who could Saruman be? To me, the only two people who fit the description were ON and Pyo. Not too active, not too inactive, but definitely capable of playing above their current level. I picked ON. I'm also going to need to know who to shoot tonight. There's no way scum lets me live again tonight if I still have a shot. | ||
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On September 24 2011 11:47 OriginalName wrote: Also in case you havent noticed ive been around this time of day nearly everyday, post count should not be brought into this scummyscumscum. Try harder plz. Not me you have to convince broski | ||
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