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chaoser
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On September 26 2011 12:15 OriginalName wrote: Its more of a "was he blocked or couldnt shoot scenario" Why does it matter? I was roleblocked. No one died, as can be seen from favor, from me tonight. | ||
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 01:11 Drazerk wrote: ##vote: Palmar We're not letting another scum claim third party and troll their way to victory. How does this even make sense...He didn't claim third party and why would mafia so such a thing, much less by someone that pretty much led the iGrok lynch and has almost 0 suspicions on him. | ||
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 01:53 Drazerk wrote: Filter him... he's been faking gollum since day 1 So you're saying he's been bussing almost every single one of his teammate since day one? He was literally the first one to call out bullshit on iGrok and he mentions DrH as scummy way before anyone else. Look at kita, his actions toward iGrok and me are entirely different. Both of us he thinks (or thought in the case of iGrok) were third party. For iGrok he gave him very limiting restrictions but then wanted to just let him live. Even after iGrok clearly did not follow his guidelines, kitaman voted for me to be lynched first over iGrok. How does that make sense? Finally, I have a question for Drazerk, you say you're a medic and that you got shot but survived and you don't know how. You also protected both me and prplhz even though he died. So you're saying you protected and have some sort of vet/bulletproof power? | ||
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 04:06 chaoser wrote: Finally, I have a question for Drazerk, you say you're a medic and that you got shot but survived and you don't know how. You also protected both me and prplhz even though he died. So you're saying you protected and have some sort of vet/bulletproof power? Here's something else I don't understand. Even if mafia shot you, your protection would have gone through. You say you talked about being about to know who the roleblocker so mafia wouldn't roleblock you and hit you instead. But you being dead would mean it didn't matter if you knew. So why didn't they roleblock you and also shoot you, making it safer for them to shoot others since there's no protection to be afraid of. Instead, they roleblocked me. Curu, would you ever explain why someone died in PMs if you were asked? (ex. he was double stacked, he was unblockable shot,etc.) | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 04:45 chaoser wrote: Curu, would you ever explain why someone died in PMs if you were asked? (ex. he was double stacked, he was unblockable shot,etc.) So curu just answered me on Skype and he said no [3:44:00 PM] Chaoser: would you tell someone [3:44:05 PM] Chaoser: that someone got hit twice [3:44:10 PM] Chaoser: instead of an unblockable soht? [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: i guess the question is, would you ever explain why someone died [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: in pms [3:44:25 PM] Chaoser: PMs [3:57:08 PM] Charles Suo: no ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 04:45 chaoser wrote: Curu, would you ever explain why someone died in PMs if you were asked? (ex. he was double stacked, he was unblockable shot,etc.) So curu just answered me on Skype and he said no [3:44:00 PM] Chaoser: would you tell someone [3:44:05 PM] Chaoser: that someone got hit twice [3:44:10 PM] Chaoser: instead of an unblockable soht? [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: i guess the question is, would you ever explain why someone died [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: in pms [3:44:25 PM] Chaoser: PMs [3:57:08 PM] Charles Suo: no ##Vote: Drazerk On September 26 2011 09:15 Drazerk wrote: Curu just confirmed that prplhz took more than one hit last night. | ||
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chaoser
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On September 26 2011 08:59 Drazerk wrote: prplhz and chaoser at least one took a hit last night but I don't know which. more likely that prplhz was double stacked though | ||
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 05:31 Palmar wrote: rofl, I guess draz really is a medic. Ok, so here's what we DO know. 1) Drazerk lied about being told by Curu about prplhz being hit twice. 2) There exists a medic that protected twice, meaning he was motivated. [4:28:49 PM] Charles Suo: no if he was medic i did not tell him that [4:28:58 PM] Charles Suo: if prplhz was hit i would have told him prplhz was hit | ||
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chaoser
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Waiting for him to explain it. Will be keeping my vote on him till that's answered. | ||
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chaoser
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Drazerk is a really weird case and I'm not sure he's scum (based largely on meta). In every game I've played with him, he's been kind of an idiot (no offense), doing and saying all sorts of silly nonsensical things. And every time, the stupid shit he does has been done with good intentions but has been horribly short-sighted and poorly thought through. Too bad town's not going to let this one fly since they're all a bunch of sheep. Do you all realize that Scum have decided all 3 lynches so far, including iGrok? Remember Erandorr? He was an idiot that lied about editing his post – before you get all your pitch-forks out, use your heads for a second. Which is why I'm waiting on him to respond. I'm still up for lynching kitaman27 | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 10:34 heist wrote: Sorry I've been busy. As far as I'm concerned, pushing to lynch iGrok is a null tell. I strongly recommend looking more closely at the people who voted for Jackal day 2. Greymist chaoser - no mafia vibe Drazerk -no mafia vibe raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv - no mafia vibe TranceStorm OriginalName kitaman - no mafia vibe My suspicions are largely still on ON but at this point, it's mainly because he's the only vet on the list that I have suspicions for. He should be playing better as town. I'm going to be honest, I'm not really trusting my instincts at this point. *On Drazerk: Curu told him prplhz was hit. Drazerk knows he protected him. I think he inferred it was a stacked hit rather than unblockable. Yeah, just got back from work and I was thinking that. ##vote kitaman confirmed medic I guess | ||
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chaoser
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kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok. kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!" What do you think about the discrepancies between these two reactions? Also, kitaman says "Town benefits by extending the game as long as possible. The fact is, removing his kp extends the game, gives our information roles an extra opportunity to get off a check, and avoids a near game ending mislynch if we don't agree on a mafia target." Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies. Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist. So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face. Finally, kitaman says this: "just look at his response to the igrok claim on day two, where he clearly is promoting a third party agenda by arguing that it is a waste to lynch Serial Killers." If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs. Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts. | ||
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chaoser
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Oh its a discrepancy alright, but I still can't reconcile his 'tracking' ability with that of a mafia player. His proclaimed "tracking ability" is the ability to apparently see if someone killed that night but not who they shot. I have never seen this type of ability before in TL Mafia and when looked at from the perspective of the rest of the dead blue roles in this game (Two jacks, one of which could day vigi, a two-shot vigi that could get a shot returned to him if he killed a mafia, and a vigi that could technically shoot once every night cycle) his power seems a little underwhelming and makes no sense no? Here's what I think happened. 1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes 2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night. 3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who. That last point is the sticker. If you think my role powers don't make sense for a blue then clearly a gimped tracker in a game full of imba powers makes no sense. | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 14:31 TranceStorm wrote: @chaoser Both roles make no sense at all to me. But your point 2 would mean that the mafia team would have taken a very very bold gamble. I suppose that kitaman hasn't revealed all of his abilities and is intentionally being mum about them (as you are at times). I'd rather vote for Cyber_Cheese who committed the same fallacy that kitaman did, but without the 'tracker' claim. The iGrok fake Third Party claim when he only had 3 vote on him was a bold gamble. This team of mafia is full of vets if you think about it. Radfield, and DrH make up two very very good vet players. Just by looking at their interactions with each other in thread and one can see that they interact every much, they interact very naturally, and they are all at each other's throats, both bussing and also supporting different members at the same time. It's safe to say that they're all playing a crazy bold game of mafia. | ||
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chaoser
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On September 27 2011 21:26 kitaman27 wrote: Nope, on day three I wanted you both lynched. Quit trying to argue how I favaored one over the another. Let's actually look at Day 3 shall we? On September 22 2011 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: iGrok here are your conditions, if you fail to follow them, we instantly lynch you: 1) You will never receive the ring. Don't bother asking for it again. You becoming bulletproof is of little interest to town. 2) You shoot tonight at the target we provide you. You're not holding on to your kp until late game where you can decide to use it on whichever faction benefits you most. 3) You're not allowed to completely disappear for the remainder of the game. You don't get a free pass. You have to continue to give us your scum reads. Between Palmar and Jackal, I think Jackal is probably the better choice. He just lacks the aggressiveness and the confidence that I'm used to seeing from him. He played a similar style back in PTP (1 or 2?) where he never really accused anyone and maintained a low profile as the serial killer. ##Vote Jackal58 You give strict retrictions to iGrok on the previous day. And then say that iGrok will be the day 3 lynch, regardless. On September 22 2011 12:12 kitaman27 wrote: If that's the case, IGrok is our day three lynch (assuming he survives the night). Also, later on you say: Out of the lurkers, heist and ON worry me the most, because the are so conservative in pushing their opinions. I might make a better case on one of them tomorrow if I'm still alive. and then you never do. Not once since then have you tried to make a case on ON or heist. You don't even consider that option, instead you're going to go for a "third party". After the third day flip you post at about exactly the same time as I do: On September 23 2011 08:34 chaoser wrote: iGrok, did you kill anyone last night? On September 23 2011 08:35 kitaman27 wrote: iGrok, who was your shot last night? You say nothing about tracking me till 6 hours later, that's 7 hours since the flip: On September 23 2011 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: sup chaoser, I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming? Sincerely, Your number one stalker. I later question you as to why you posted that so late and you respond with: On September 24 2011 00:50 kitaman27 wrote: Because I wanted to see your agenda for day three? Are you saying I didn't watch you kill someone? :/ And yet between the flip and you saying you tracked me 6 hours later, not once did you ask me what my opinions are of people, what I thought of the situation of town, or who I thought were mafia. If you really "wanted to see my agenda" you would have done as such instead of waiting around posting nothing at me, instead of asking questions to greymist and ciryandor. Finally, you post: On September 23 2011 23:20 kitaman27 wrote: Faking taking a hit on day one is exactly what he did in the previous game with the dt claim. ##vote chaoser gogo Apparently completely forgetting about iGrok, ON, or heist, and is intent apparently to lynch the guy that just claimed he shot radfield with no counterclaim. You don't even talk about being ok with changing your vote to iGrok in the thread, instead you just vote in the vote thread. Yeah, ok, you're not scum lol. | ||
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chaoser
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You don't even talk about being ok with changing your vote to iGrok in the thread, instead you just vote in the vote thread. Actually, I want to correct myself. You actually do mention iGrok once in this post: On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. But you lean so heavily on my not being town, clearly with the intent on trying to get me lynch even though iGrok CLAIMED he wasn't town in game AND I had claimed I shot Radfield. On September 24 2011 04:50 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote iGrok Your change to iGrok comes 2 hours later, after 6 votes and the town atmosphere clearly being in favor of lynching iGrok. That by itself doesn't mean much but when taken in conjunction with everything else that you did that day, I can safely say that you did NOT, if you could have, wanted iGrok lynched, instead wanting me lynched over him. Scum. | ||
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chaoser
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Are you honestly still arguing that I'm lying about my tracking claim? I SAW YOU KILL SOMEONE. Yes, I didn't immediately claim, but you can't continue to deny the fact that I tracked you. You already admitted it. You and Palmar are really going all out to push me. 3rd party sticking together? :p [/quote] At first I figured yes you did track me but as I thought about it I realized the claim made no sense because it was basically a gimped tracker. When Day 4 flipped and I read over the thread I realized that Radfield at that point was already saying in thread that I was third party. It a very very small jump from Radfield thinking I'm SK to you taking a risk and saying you tracked me to a kill but have no idea who I killed, trying to trap me on the prp/radfield kill difference. In XXXIX you correctly called me out as Vet day 1 on your QT as mafia, I don't put it past you to do something like this. The fact that things don't add up and that you're now not even denying you went after me more than after iGrok shows that you've got nothing. Bye Bye. | ||
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