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And iGrok, in your big post u stated Sandroba has acted scummy. Why is that?
Oh and also, ##Unvote iGrok
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okay i'd be willing to shift to jackal58 if some other people do it and do it fast but i don't want to inadvertedly 'cause palmar to be lynched because people suddenly move to him when i move from igrok so if people start voting for jackal58 as per radfield's case then i'm on board
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I'm also willing to shift to Jackal to consolidate our votes.
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My vote will remain on Jackal. Radfield how do you recommend we direct IGrok's target?
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lets do it then
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On September 22 2011 06:46 GreYMisT wrote:
My vote will remain on Jackal. Radfield how do you recommend we direct IGrok's target?
we still have 5 people who have not voted on top of that two people have left the iGrok wagon so he doesn't have majority any more.
We should be fine bar a few possible mod kills.
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Both Jackal and Palmar are really really similar in my eyes. Both of them post a ton of one-liners and haven't given really substantive analysis at all this game. Both of them always seem to do that in all of their games. However, Jackal hasn't voiced an opinion at all on the current candidates but continues to jump around calling everyone scum.
My vote will be going to Jackal right now.
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I feel like I should bring up the arguments on Palmar yet again.
Here is the only post he ever made a significant response to, followed by said response:
On September 22 2011 01:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 01:11 Palmar wrote:
I'm not apathetic you derp, I'm highly enthusiastic about lynching iGrok!
Even if in some crazy world his claim is true (I don't fucking believe it for a second), then he's a survivor and can as well ally with the mafia if they do well.
Just kill him, I think he's not third party, I think he's scum, and should be deaded. Use some of that enthusiasm and respond to the case he made against you + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 19:31 iGrok wrote:Oh, ##vote: Palmar. For everything I said earlier. + Show Spoiler [For those of you who skipped my big post] +On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote:
hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, ErrandorprplhzDrHRadfield, himself, Sandroba, PyoPause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum.2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work.3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible.4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually And while your at it, care to answer my questions about you? + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 21:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:20 Palmar wrote:
How is this even a discussion? Murder the shit out of iGrok. This post aroused some serious suspcions on Palmar when I read it, he wants to shutdown discussion on other possible scum candidates apparently. I took a look through his filter for some background, and subsequently lead me to believe he is scum. When prodded by Syllogism to provide some background, he returns with this: Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:On September 21 2011 17:29 syllogism wrote:On September 21 2011 17:22 Palmar wrote:
rofl, die scum die Are you going to do anything useful all game? I'm voting iGrok! If bandwagoning is useful, then sure he's a great help. But in the interests of being fair, let's look more at his voting on IGrok: Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:32 Palmar wrote:
Erandorr worked because it was less bad a bandwagon than the others, which has now become apparent. DrH should really have been it, but I wasn't around to push them buttons. I never asked whom you have a town read on, giving that away would be incredibly stupid. I asked if you actually had a town read on someone, (the alternative being you don't have a town read on anyone). I was basically provoking you into start thinking about townies you can trust.
But I know it's extremely hard to work with you're stubborn and have really bad reads. I just hope that you'll be able to figure out what to do if you actually are the ring bearer. And I hope our medics understand that you're a great target tonight too.
In any case, it's time to lynch mafia.
##Vote iGrok Up until this point, his comments on IGrok were Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote:
iGrok's play is so much more passive and less assertive than it was in Ace's game. I'm thinking he's scummery. I'm gonna read the context of his posts better, but just a quick filter and you can see he's not really pushing any ideas, he's just being derp and making one-liners and lists.
So he doesn't like IGroks smell, and the rest of his reasoning relies on meta. It doesn't get any better as time passes Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:31 Palmar wrote:
Radfield, I'm looking at iGrok. I haven't gotten overly scummy vibes from anyone else (apart from DrH, but he's dead).
Syllogism is... dangerous, he's echoing what Sandroba and I are saying which makes sense if he's town, but he'd do it as scum anyway, because as soon as he disagrees on bad reasoning he's scum. He has made a few good calls though, but I expect him too, both as scum and town.
So the rest are probably lurking, or they're people like Jackal whose alignment I simply can't deduce due to him having a meta of being useless/wrong enough as town that I can't figure him out as scum.
Thing is, townies like posting more than mafia does, and I have quite a few good town reads. I'm actually reading now, so it'll pick up soon enough. We can only lynch one guy today anyway, and iGrok is a great candidate.
Go compare his style this game to his style as town in Ace's game, I'm not talking about content or amount, I'm talking about attitude and context. Notice how everything he uses is purely meta? This in itself is fine, but if you want to use meta, you have to do more than simply mention the word meta. He doesn't prove a comparison of IGrok's current playstyle to this meta, nor does he choose to bring up anything related to IGrok's actions in the current game. I'm not sold on IGrok either, but if this counts as a reason to vote for someone and useful contribution, somethings wrong. ##Unvote##Vote Palmar I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim.
My replies are underlined, things I consider important are bolded
On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote:
no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
He was under suspicion from yesterday. You did not provide any arguments outside of meta that you couldn't contrast for us.
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
I ignore cases other people bring up just in case people act the same as they did in previous games?
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable.
Breaking down that reply leaves:
On September 22 2011 04:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say, at least that is what he claims. well you're right, he does win with mafia  So, let me sum this shit up. iGrok claims 3rd party role that wins with mafia. We have Cyber_cheese defending him like the baddie he is, could be town/could be mafiaSo if you aren't sure I'm scum why don't you reply to all my points instead of picking and choosing?we have chaoser telling us to let mafia deal with him... what the hell? mafia would not shoot him in a million years. mafia. and we have Drazerk claiming medic to save 3rd party (what the shit?) because he's sure mafia will go after him.... mafia. can't be this terrible. This is hilarious.
On September 22 2011 02:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:+ Show Spoiler [nestled quote shown above] +On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote:
no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable. So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not? I already stated it... day 1 of some mafia game by Ace. It's really not relevant anymore since he claimed an anti town role. Then he claimed a medic save (no medic in their right mind would save him at that point). So what exactly are you voting him on if this meta is inaccurate?
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Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now.
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On September 22 2011 06:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I feel like I should bring up the arguments on Palmar yet again. Here is the only post he ever made a significant response to, followed by said response: Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 01:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 01:11 Palmar wrote:
I'm not apathetic you derp, I'm highly enthusiastic about lynching iGrok!
Even if in some crazy world his claim is true (I don't fucking believe it for a second), then he's a survivor and can as well ally with the mafia if they do well.
Just kill him, I think he's not third party, I think he's scum, and should be deaded. Use some of that enthusiasm and respond to the case he made against you + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 19:31 iGrok wrote:Oh, ##vote: Palmar. For everything I said earlier. + Show Spoiler [For those of you who skipped my big post] +On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote:
hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, ErrandorprplhzDrHRadfield, himself, Sandroba, PyoPause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum.2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work.3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible.4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually And while your at it, care to answer my questions about you? + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 21:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:20 Palmar wrote:
How is this even a discussion? Murder the shit out of iGrok. This post aroused some serious suspcions on Palmar when I read it, he wants to shutdown discussion on other possible scum candidates apparently. I took a look through his filter for some background, and subsequently lead me to believe he is scum. When prodded by Syllogism to provide some background, he returns with this: Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:On September 21 2011 17:29 syllogism wrote:On September 21 2011 17:22 Palmar wrote:
rofl, die scum die Are you going to do anything useful all game? I'm voting iGrok! If bandwagoning is useful, then sure he's a great help. But in the interests of being fair, let's look more at his voting on IGrok: Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:32 Palmar wrote:
Erandorr worked because it was less bad a bandwagon than the others, which has now become apparent. DrH should really have been it, but I wasn't around to push them buttons. I never asked whom you have a town read on, giving that away would be incredibly stupid. I asked if you actually had a town read on someone, (the alternative being you don't have a town read on anyone). I was basically provoking you into start thinking about townies you can trust.
But I know it's extremely hard to work with you're stubborn and have really bad reads. I just hope that you'll be able to figure out what to do if you actually are the ring bearer. And I hope our medics understand that you're a great target tonight too.
In any case, it's time to lynch mafia.
##Vote iGrok Up until this point, his comments on IGrok were Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote:
iGrok's play is so much more passive and less assertive than it was in Ace's game. I'm thinking he's scummery. I'm gonna read the context of his posts better, but just a quick filter and you can see he's not really pushing any ideas, he's just being derp and making one-liners and lists.
So he doesn't like IGroks smell, and the rest of his reasoning relies on meta. It doesn't get any better as time passes Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:31 Palmar wrote:
Radfield, I'm looking at iGrok. I haven't gotten overly scummy vibes from anyone else (apart from DrH, but he's dead).
Syllogism is... dangerous, he's echoing what Sandroba and I are saying which makes sense if he's town, but he'd do it as scum anyway, because as soon as he disagrees on bad reasoning he's scum. He has made a few good calls though, but I expect him too, both as scum and town.
So the rest are probably lurking, or they're people like Jackal whose alignment I simply can't deduce due to him having a meta of being useless/wrong enough as town that I can't figure him out as scum.
Thing is, townies like posting more than mafia does, and I have quite a few good town reads. I'm actually reading now, so it'll pick up soon enough. We can only lynch one guy today anyway, and iGrok is a great candidate.
Go compare his style this game to his style as town in Ace's game, I'm not talking about content or amount, I'm talking about attitude and context. Notice how everything he uses is purely meta? This in itself is fine, but if you want to use meta, you have to do more than simply mention the word meta. He doesn't prove a comparison of IGrok's current playstyle to this meta, nor does he choose to bring up anything related to IGrok's actions in the current game. I'm not sold on IGrok either, but if this counts as a reason to vote for someone and useful contribution, somethings wrong. ##Unvote##Vote Palmar I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim. My replies are underlined, things I consider important are bolded Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote:
no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
He was under suspicion from yesterday. You did not provide any arguments outside of meta that you couldn't contrast for us.
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
I ignore cases other people bring up just in case people act the same as they did in previous games?
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable. Breaking down that reply leaves: Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:04 Palmar wrote:On September 22 2011 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say, at least that is what he claims. well you're right, he does win with mafia So, let me sum this shit up. iGrok claims 3rd party role that wins with mafia. We have Cyber_cheese defending him like the baddie he is, could be town/could be mafiaSo if you aren't sure I'm scum why don't you reply to all my points instead of picking and choosing?we have chaoser telling us to let mafia deal with him... what the hell? mafia would not shoot him in a million years. mafia. and we have Drazerk claiming medic to save 3rd party (what the shit?) because he's sure mafia will go after him.... mafia. can't be this terrible. This is hilarious. Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:49 Palmar wrote:On September 22 2011 02:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:+ Show Spoiler [nestled quote shown above] +On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote:
no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable. So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not? I already stated it... day 1 of some mafia game by Ace. It's really not relevant anymore since he claimed an anti town role. Then he claimed a medic save (no medic in their right mind would save him at that point). So what exactly are you voting him on if this meta is inaccurate?
If we have a vigi he should be aiming his gun at palmar tonight.
It's best we consolidate onto jackal for today especially with how little time we have left
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In the middle of practice, so can't say much, need to vote so I'm not Micky led
I'm a few pages behind, but im gonna throw my vote on jackal. Don't like how easily he got off yesterday.
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On September 22 2011 06:46 GreYMisT wrote:
My vote will remain on Jackal. Radfield how do you recommend we direct IGrok's target?
On September 22 2011 06:52 Drazerk wrote:
If we have a vigi he should be aiming his gun at palmar tonight.
It's best we consolidate onto jackal for today especially with how little time we have left
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well i never actually intended to leave igrok i still think he's the best lynch i just wanted to see how you people reacted. igrok is best lynch for today.
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On September 22 2011 06:56 prplhz wrote:
well i never actually intended to leave igrok i still think he's the best lynch i just wanted to see how you people reacted. igrok is best lynch for today.
Shame he won't be lynched now thanks to your help.
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On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote:
Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now.
It's an unstoppable kill, I imagine RB won't stop it.
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Im voting jackal. Not much more to say I could write a huge massive wall of text that you guys wont read anyways but I feel like actually enjoying RL.
Jist of it is:
Meh D1 with shitty excuses
Some random contradition about 95% of the time he has shit reads on D1 and then swears on his grave that it was a good read, then turns out to be a shit read.
+ Show Spoiler +Im just going to point out my opinion on WBG, yes he trolled the shit out of us for 24-36 hours but the last few hours he just seemed townie to me.
lastly now that we have lots of pressure on him he just uses shitty one liners to defend himself.
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i'd totally prefer lynching the confirmed anti-town. Jackal is a complete null to me atm.
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On September 22 2011 07:15 Palmar wrote:
i'd totally prefer lynching the confirmed anti-town. Jackal is a complete null to me atm.
Of course you would.
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