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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 00:48 chaoser wrote: BTW, I find it odd that you posted this claim hours after the day post. Why not immediately after, when both you and I were active in the thread? Because I wanted to see your agenda for day three? Are you saying I didn't watch you kill someone? :/ | ||
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kitaman27
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Boromir would be the perfect safe claim for a SK. That's the point of a safe claim, so they can identify themselves as someone likely in the game :/ | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 00:54 supersoft wrote: we can lynch both after all evil was killed. After he shoots me to pieces? I'd prefer not. | ||
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kitaman27
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Heh so now I went from "town hero", to "retard", to "scum"? -_- | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote: Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours. Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 02:26 Drazerk wrote: Jack of all trades role. Calling it now. Jack of all trades are not bulletproof, nor can they shoot more than once. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 02:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: Here's a thought: suppose chaoser's claim is true. Let's say he's Boromir who has a kill condition. What if his kill condition is that he can kill any time the Ring moves. This makes sense because Boromir wants the Ring in his lore. It's speculation, so take it with a handful of salt, but it somewhat fits. And didn't he claim as 3rd party? Why do you keep saying people believe he is town aligned? If I had to guess, he is just making up the condition so people can speculate and he has an excuse for not having an unlimited number of bullets. Uhh, he hasn't claimed 3rd party? People like Palmar seem to believe he really is Boromir? | ||
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kitaman27
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If we're lynching igrok instead of you today, we sure aren't letting you decide who to shoot. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: We already made a very stupid choise yesterday. Now just hang iGrok. -Pros over chaoser; 1) chaoser could very well shoot another scum in the face. iGrok failed in it last night. 2) We basically confirm Drazerk when iGrok flips. Ppl really should do what Palmar says and check syllo&sandroba posts. ##Vote iGrok If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next? | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 22:35 Archon_Toilet wrote: I HATE YOU KITAMAN Wait.....what? You're one voting me? o.O chaoser, what's your imaginary kill restriction? | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 24 2011 22:55 Archon_Toilet wrote: Ye s kitaman, you will die. I will ride my horsie and kill you hahahahahahaha Right.... igrok is a dying man. He will say anything to keep himself alive. Its amusing that you've been defending him though. Third party gotta stick together, right? As long as he is around, you live a day longer?  The fact that he managed to find his target with 1/17 odds is rather convenient, no? | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 25 2011 07:02 prplhz wrote: well i could add that i very much doubt that chaoser is scum even though he tried to hit me day1 but maybe it's not a good idea to give the ring to boromir .. but this last thing is purely speculation based on how boromir reacted to the ring (and frodo) in lotr lol he's not boromir. You are correct in the fact that giving a SK the ring is probably not a great plan. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 25 2011 07:43 chaoser wrote: lolol ok kitascum. Either way the ring should be kept safe and not given away so whomever has it, just keep it safe. You calling me scum now so you can try to justify shooting me tonight for revealing your identity? :p | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote: I need to re-read them all again to decide that. Initially I think Kita is the safest lynch. His ability is very... weird, it's a version of tracker that's very seldom in play, and generally the blue roles have been much more notable characters than that elf he claimed. You've got to be kidding me. Me: Yo chaoser, you killed a dude last night. chaoser: Yep Palmar: lol lynch kita, he's lying How does this make sense at all? Do you think I just magically guessed it? The only other possible explanation would be that I was somehow in contact with chaoser and knew that he was shooting, which is most certainly not true. Town needs to wake up because we are far closer to LyLo than it may seem. With the four kp last night, the lynch, and chaoser's SK kp there is the chance of up six deaths per cycle. To win, town needs to kill the 2-3 remaining scum, chaoser the Serial Killer, and possibly a third party Gollum. That's 4-5 more correct lynches/shots that we still need to go through in order to reach the town win condition. With only 9-10 town currently remaining, we can't afford to mislynch. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 26 2011 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now, what do we know about chaoser? He claimed Boromir. He shot mafia. He was RB last night (or lying). That makes his certainly not mafia right? Then Palmar claimed Faramir. So here are following scenarios: chaoser SK / Palmar town given the claims they made i don't think this would be possible chaoser SK / Palmar mafia why would mafia protect SK? chaoser SK / Palmar SK (working together) could be, altough i still believe boromir&faramir are both in the game, and not as safeclaims chaoser town / Palmar mafia no need to Palmar fakeclaim and defend chaoser chaoser town / Palmar town most likely answer chaoser town / Palmar SK could be, altough i don't see a reason for Palmar to fakeclaim, again If chaoser was in fact mafia, they would need to have an extremely brave strategy in bussing/killing nearly all their teammates, and it would all fall apart just if ppl didn't believe chaoser in a first place. Also, kitaman you could be some kinda mafia stalker role. Also, i think you are wise enough to figure out chaosers requirements for killing. If I'm right about it, it fits into his claim fairly well. BTW. Who did you check last night and what's the result? I'm not sure I understand your scenarios, particularly the first and fourth one. We seem to agree that its pretty unlikely he is mafia due to the radfield shot, but I don't see how Palmar claiming Faramir makes chaoser town. The OP stated that ALL non-town players are provided with safe claims. Boromir was chaoser's safe claim. The flaw in your argument is that you are assumming he is Boromir. How do I know he is not Boromir? Because he claimed to be a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. It is extremely, extremely rare for a town to get a bulletproof player. It is extremely, extremeley rare for a town to get a compulsive vigilante. It is completely insane to think town gets a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. Even a 23 vanilla town, 1 town bulletproof compulsive vigilante, 6 scum setup would be questionable balance wise. To have a setup with a jailkeeper, medic, bodyguard, mason, 2x jack of all trades (!!!), 2x vigilante, plus any other blues that haven't flipped, on top of a bulletproof compulsive vigilante? It's just not reasonable to continue to argue that chaoser is not the serial killer. Serial Killers are bulletproof and can shoot every night. That fits his claimed role EXACTLY. What we should be discussing today, is whether or not be should be lynching chaoser/a mafia candidate, not whether or not he is town. The person I checked did not perform a kill last night. I won't say whether or not they performed a different action, because there is no reason to give scum information about who might be blue or vanilla townie. | ||
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kitaman27
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If that's a post restriction, it screams Gollum. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 26 2011 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'd vote GGQ for gollum, just becouse of his "i'm not saying anything useful this game besides i want to lynch iGrok". Palmar just reinacted an entire scene as Gollum and you think GGQ is more likely? On September 26 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote: Actually fuck it Kita needs to claim all his tracking targets and what actions they performed. ##Vote Kitaman27 Oh look, he's going fishing for blues! I've already confirmed that I'm a tracker by claiming that chaoser killed someone. I see little reason to essentially role claim for a player who didn't kill anyone, unless they are about to be lynched. ![[image loading]](http://www.tru7h.org/xzzy/files/movies/gollum_fish.jpg) | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote: Well here is a thing. If it was day 2, and you actually looked like a townie, I would never ask you. But it's day 4, you put in some ridiculous restrictions on iGrok instead of just wanting to lynch him on day 2. Don't paint me as the guy who was trying to save iGrok. On day two, I voted jackal because he was scummy and it fit his scum meta and I certainly wasn't alone. If I really wanted to play it safe, I could have easily just thrown a vote on igrok since the lynch wasn't even close by days end. On day 3, I saw chaoser kill somebody, which obviously made him my main target. When people finally stopped buying into his bogus claim and agreed to lynch him down the line, I happily switched over to iGrok, relatively early in the day. On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote: And excuse me, but you're a veteran, and I can't believe you'd be so incredibly dumb as to let him live on day 2, and then try it AGAIN on day 3 without being scum. I just think you're smarter than that. Newbies are excused because they don't realize how ridiculous the claim is, and they don't know me/syllo/sandroba well enough to just assume that when we all agree that we're right. Greymist - newbie chaoser - SK (he's not this stupid as town, and his claim makes no sense) Radfield - Scum Drazerk - newbie raynpelikoneet - newbie jcarlsoniv - ???? (but to be fair he thought I was scum because I trolled him) TranceStorm - newbie OriginalName - ???? kitaman - ???? You see. there are two names on this list of people who should really not have fallen for this bullshit, it's you and ON. Since when is being a newbie an excuse to being ignored? Just because I've played more games than others, doesn't mean I should be automatically lynched for being wrong on jackal day two. I'll post my thoughts on who should be considered tonight (I'm at work on lunch at the moment). On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote: List all the players you have tracked so far in the game. Don't tell us if they had a night action or not, just list them. On September 27 2011 00:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: Right now, you're intentionally holding information from town. Town is not in a very good position right now. Not terrible, but not great. We got screwed over first two days by radfield on last minute lynches that shouldn't have happened (hindsight 20/20 and all that). We need information. Who did you track night 1? I also want to know more about chaoser's target last night. But I can somewhat understand why he wouldn't reveal that. If you are town, you need to help town, Kita. Yes, I am intentionally holding information from town, yet you can't say it has scum motivations. Not revealing who may or may not have a night action does help town, as it limits the information given to mafia to decide their hits. If I tracked person X, who is about to get lynched and saw them doing a pro-town action, I'll confirm their role if necessary. On September 27 2011 00:30 GreYMisT wrote: Is palmar actually claiming golum? I know to a sane person that doesn't make any sense but I read WaW2 and he also claimed conspirator right off the bat in that as well. Well we know from the night post that Golum probably obtained the ring. Perhaps it makes him insane and give him a post restriction? Palmar, are you claiming Golum? | ||
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