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On September 22 2011 08:21 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Well here is my initial impressions- Why did so many people wait for Radfield's opinion? Surely your all capable of having one for yourselves. I am currently wondering how this accusation weighs in: Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 06:09 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote:
Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.
I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.
Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar? Scum buddies I am also thinking that night might be the perfect time to work on the cipher, since throwing around things like the one above can make you a priority target. On iGrok's kill; It occurs to me that every day we don't use it is a day that mafia have a reason to attack him on, whether this is a worthy trade-off for waiting I am not sure, I'd much prefer to use it but I can see value in saving it and it's probably worthy of debate. Giving him the ring for night immunity to absorb more hits I played around with in my head and is stupid.
It's not really our choice to use his hit...If he is to fire randomly, he has a greater chance of hitting town than scum, so I don't think they're really worried about him shooting, especially if he won't shoot unless we give him the Ring, which we won't.
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On September 23 2011 00:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 23:48 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 20:58 Palmar wrote:
Syllogism is looking better, sandroba is looking worse. If you think syllogism is looking townie then obviously Drazerk should be looking townish too. Syllogism said he shot iGrok but then iGrok survived. Drazerk immediately starts dropping hints all over that he's the medic that protected iGrok. The response was quick enough that the only way Drazerk as mafia could have done it is if it was all preplanned. you're a dumbass if you believe this. I don't think you are, because you're being maliciously ignorant.
And you are being intentionally malicious.
On September 23 2011 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 00:20 Radfield wrote:On September 22 2011 23:45 Curu wrote:
An unblockable kill can be roleblocked (ironically enough). It will go through all protections except those that cause the action to never be carried out in the first place. Major fuck up by me  Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this: + Show Spoiler +On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote:
Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now. Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked.... Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts? Do we really want a third party survivor to hold onto a kp late game? I think he should shoot, since it minimizes his threat to town. If he doesn't shoot, on day 4/5 he could aim his sights on town in an attempt to give control of the lynch to scum. Also, even if his shot is role blocked, that's still a role block that's not being used on town.
I agree with you, but the thing is, we have no guarantee that he would use his shot either way. He could just not shoot and claim to be roleblocked, and mafia could gamble that he doesn't shoot. Then there's a whole bunch of WIFOM that will ensue.
On September 22 2011 14:09 syllogism wrote:
Sure, it's possible Curu made a really dumb role, but as with everything else in mafia, one thing is more likely than the other
This isn't a very good basis to argue against a claim. I think it was one of DrH's experimental games way back when that Ace was flipping out over a claim because he had never seen it possible. Turns out it was true and Ace got completely screwed over because he was too think headed to accept it as a possibility. Since it's closed set up, I feel it could either way =/
On September 22 2011 14:27 syllogism wrote:
No, what I'm saying is that no role in the game is told what the ring does, until the ring is given to them or they obtain it by other means. Especially not a role that has absolutely nothing to do with the ring.
This is a good point though. Again, all things are possible in closed, but it seems all the other roles have no idea what the Ring will do based on the revealed role PMs.
I still don't understand why Drazerk protected iGrok night 1 (or so he claims). iGrok was lurking pretty hard, and not contributing. There would be no reason for him to protect iGrok, because mafia had no reason to target him.
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On September 23 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote:
hi jcarl.
why did you vote to lynch a townie over scum?
Hello!
Because I clearly have a lot to learn in this game again.
Looking back, at the end of the day, the choices were you and jackal. Jackal flipped town. So you're right. I should have voted for scum. Should have left my vote on you.
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On September 23 2011 02:46 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On September 23 2011 02:08 Drazerk wrote:
Also as for the posting restriction... lets just say I had one and now I don't.
Arwen, the Evenstar has a post restriction? Could you clarify what made it go away? My role changes every game of Mafia I play. How have you guys not learnt this yet.
This means absolutely nothing to someone without an extensive past with you.
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On September 23 2011 09:57 Pyo wrote:I knew it!! Radfield = scum... eat shit and die. I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote:
Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword!
Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote:
Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1!
Both were "put to the sword."
Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night.
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On September 23 2011 10:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 09:57 Pyo wrote:I knew it!! Radfield = scum... eat shit and die. I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote:
Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword!
On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote:
Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1!
Both were "put to the sword." Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night. Why would town hit cirandor day one?
I have no idea. I had a few suspicions about him at the time, but not nearly enough that I would suggest a vig hit. All I'm saying it doesn't necessarily mean there is (or isn't) a 3rd Party.
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On September 23 2011 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:02 kitaman27 wrote:On September 23 2011 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 09:57 Pyo wrote:I knew it!! Radfield = scum... eat shit and die. I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote:
Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword!
On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote:
Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1!
Both were "put to the sword." Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night. Why would town hit cirandor day one? Becouse noone fucking understood his claim. And btw that hit was on prplhz.
Oh yeah, and that ^
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On September 23 2011 10:10 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2011 10:02 kitaman27 wrote:On September 23 2011 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 09:57 Pyo wrote:I knew it!! Radfield = scum... eat shit and die. I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote:
Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword!
On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote:
Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1!
Both were "put to the sword." Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night. Why would town hit cirandor day one? Becouse noone fucking understood his claim. And btw that hit was on prplhz. Oh yeah, and that ^ But is it common for town to get multiple shots like that? Seems a little overpowered... I was only thinking it was a 3rd party SK since it seemed like radfield was "green" to a lot of people so far.
I don't know. I don't know enough about the possible roles in the game to say what's usual and what isn't.
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On September 23 2011 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw, jcar, what do you think of Palmar??
I don't like the way he's playing. This is partly because of his intentionally abrasive attitude, but also because of his lack of trying to help.
Looking through his filter:
-Intentionally lurking Day 1.
-Calls Radfield a cool guy, votes for Erandorr (but before Radfield does)
-Says DrH is giving him bad vibes
-Wants the Ring to be passed to a strong town read, i.e. Radfield, Sandroba, himself, or Pyo. At the time, He was one of my weakest town reads, and I was weary of Radfield because of the Erandorr lynch, so this raised a flag for me.
- Says Sandroba is likely town, but only if Sandroba stops voting for him. Claims he's basically town confirmed because of his exchanges with DrH. Literally the only time he mentioned DrH before his death is:+ Show Spoiler +On September 19 2011 08:32 Palmar wrote:
DrH is giving me really bad vibes.
-Says chaoser is more than likely town.
-Accuses iGrok, but is also ok with lynching syllogism
-I vote Palmar, he clearly didn't give a fuck.
-More pushing on iGrok, gives fairly good reasoning.
-Continuing to be malicious, especially against syllogism and Cyber.
-Now claims chaoser is scum (wait what?)
-Believes Drazerk is scum
-Starts to think syllogism is town, and Sandroba is looking worse.
-More accusing of chaoser and plenty of BM
I think Palmar could very possibly be scum. There were quite a few red flags that were raised reading through his filter.
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On September 23 2011 13:37 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 10:10 Pyo wrote:On September 23 2011 10:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2011 10:02 kitaman27 wrote:On September 23 2011 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 23 2011 09:57 Pyo wrote:I knew it!! Radfield = scum... eat shit and die. I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote:
Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword!
On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote:
Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1!
Both were "put to the sword." Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night. Why would town hit cirandor day one? Becouse noone fucking understood his claim. And btw that hit was on prplhz. Oh yeah, and that ^ But is it common for town to get multiple shots like that? Seems a little overpowered... I was only thinking it was a 3rd party SK since it seemed like radfield was "green" to a lot of people so far. I don't know. I don't know enough about the possible roles in the game to say what's usual and what isn't. We'll see tonight if there's another person put to the sword. I suspect there is a sk out there, but we'll deal with him later. The only real question for right now is whether we want to lynch iGrok today for a sure scum kill or scumhunt someone else (because if we all just vote iGrok it's a pretty shit day phase) and hope we have another vig to take out iGrok. Also, JCarl, I dunno if you saw the message Curu posted for this day, but I assume you are going to claim that you aren't Ugluk?
Obviously I'm going to deny that. I'm not sure who wants to incriminate me, but Archon is the only one to have voted for me this game. Also:
On September 23 2011 19:56 Archon_Toilet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 19:50 Palmar wrote:
Just put yourself in Mafia shoes, and let's entertain the thought that iGrok is NOT mafia.
Premise: Someone idiot claims 3rd party.
option a): Push for his lynch, because no matter what you can't be faulted for wanting to kill him.
option b): Push for a lynch on a townie and defend the 3rd party, putting your neck out and failing miserably.
Would any sane mafia pick option b ??
I don't see it happening, there is no doubt in my mind now that iGrok is scum, because mafia would have gladly hanged him if he wasn't one of them. Woe is he who disagrees with Palmar, for he is always correct. ##Vote iGrok
Except for, yah know, that Erandorr lynch. Archon, you still want me lynched even though your case on me "went nowhere" yesterday? Trying to pin me as the Urukhai?
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On September 24 2011 01:14 Palmar wrote:
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a Balrog we all know
Who shines red fire and wants to show
How everything still turns to shit.
And if you focus very hard
Some sense will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a scum and not to hang.
Your rhyming went down the shitter :/
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On September 24 2011 01:35 kitaman27 wrote:
jcarl, you don't buy the fake claim do you?
Chaoser's fake claim? I'm not sure. I'm in class atm and I want to look back before I make any decision about it.
One thing I'm worried about is that Drazerk lived through the night. I understand that he is claiming to be role blocked, but why wouldn't they just kill him? I might be missing something. If you kill a medic, doesn't that render his target unprotected as well? I don't understand why mafia would leave a claimed medic alive.
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@Palmar: I'm not being thick. I am very willing to consider well thought out reasoning and arguments. I find it extremely difficult, though, to trust you when the vast majority of your posts consist of you just saying "x is scum" and being a general dick about everything. I want to be able to trust people. You don't make this an easy thing though, so don't be mad when people don't trust you.
On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours. Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not.
Here's a thought: suppose chaoser's claim is true. Let's say he's Boromir who has a kill condition. What if his kill condition is that he can kill any time the Ring moves. This makes sense because Boromir wants the Ring in his lore. It's speculation, so take it with a handful of salt, but it somewhat fits.
And didn't he claim as 3rd party? Why do you keep saying people believe he is town aligned?
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On September 24 2011 05:23 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 05:21 heist wrote:
You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win. The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night.
If you give us a reason to keep you around, then you might not be lynched. Holding out information is pointless.
@rayn: if I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather lynch igrok over chaoser right now. But neither of them really sit right with me as lynches. I'm not experienced enough in games with third parties to know what's best.
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iGrok, you withholding information doesn't sway us at all. It's a damn shame that you can control the lynch because we want to know saruman. You give us info, we might spare you. Not the other way around.
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On September 24 2011 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's help him out. I claim Saruman. Dou you want to CC iGrok? Or anybody else?
Uh...teh fack?
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On September 24 2011 08:31 iGrok wrote:
How long until lynch?
Just got back in range of wifi
We still have another ~23.5 hours
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On September 24 2011 08:34 iGrok wrote:
Oh wait is lynch tomorrow
yarp
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