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On September 20 2011 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is why I suspect chaoser:
He thinks DrH is town, i'll come back to that later.
Still trusty for DrH, also to sandroba, which I find somewhat suspicious.
He posts this AFTER DrH died. WTF?
You're literally basing all your accusations on the fact that I thought DrH was townie...Even vets have off days. If I was mafia
1) why would I say my opinion about DrH and Drazerk being townie-ish RIGHT at the beginning of the game when there was obviously no pressure on either one of them.
2) why would I claim I got shot when there's no pressure on me? Even if it hit a third party, the risk of him counter claiming to get a mafia lynched is very high since that would get him town-cred.
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##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson.
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On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote:
##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson.
Actually, nvm, if he's third party then mafia can kill him, we don't need to waste a lynch on him. If he's mafia then where he uses his hit will out him.
##unvote iGrok
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On September 22 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
He already took a hit and didn't die
He strikes me more as "third party that's lying/not being completely truthful about his wincon and abilities" than as "mafia trying a weird fake claim off no pressure". Usually if there's a role that needs to kill a specific other role, that other role has to kill this role too. His whole claim strikes me as weird. He gets to search for specific subset of roles that aren't part of his wincon? He only has to kill one of the four people he can search for? All he needed to do was survive, there was no reason for him to come out and claim his role since one of his wincon is already fulfilled (Gandalf is dead) and all he needs to do is get to endgame. He is bulletproof already it seems so the ring doesn't actually give him bulletproof powers. He is probably third party trying to win the game early (probably wincon is to get the ring or something).
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On September 22 2011 00:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote:
##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson. This is a dangerous post because it contains misinformation. I double checked IGrok's filter because of it to look for anything else and try and throw a vote on. He posted an analysis on Palmar in the very same post as his claim that relied on Palmar trying to confirm himself off DocH, so I'm tempted to believe you didn't read it. More than anything though, it would help us if you explained how you allegedly survived an attack, to compare and contrast to IGrok's reasoning.
My bad, I didn't see the palmer analysis cause I figured his whole post was on how he was balrog (only piece of "misinformation", more like error on my part). Either way, why would I tell you how I survived? That takes out all the WIFOM for mafia trying to kill me again tonight. And how does knowing how I survived help "compare and contract igrok's reasoning"?
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iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58
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On September 22 2011 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote:
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He lied about the editing which through me over the fence.
No. Why is everyone saying Errandor lied about editing, when he clearly didn't?
He said "oops, wrong thread" and when mig/curu posted what he edited out, it was a defense of himself. That doesn't seem very "wrong thread" to me.
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On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum?
I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him).
This part got me convinced:
He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch?
I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!".
What about you?
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On September 21 2011 23:09 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 22:54 prplhz wrote:
@drazerk
why would it be idiotic to shoot him? why do you even think anybody is gonna shoot someone who already survived a hit somehow? why do you want to keep a guy alive whose only defense is a claim, and who then magically survives a hit even though his claim said nothing about that ability? the guy needs to die and a lynch is the only way to go.
although i'm interested in any case you think you can make against jack/pyo/rad. Medics exist and that's what I think has happened here and it's why I am asking they stay away tonight.
On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 22:06 prplhz wrote:
drazerk why not kill him today? you want to postpone the lynch to tomorrow? also why do you think he's gonna get killed anyway, as you stated on some previous post? We have better targets Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it. People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere.
On September 21 2011 23:41 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 23:27 prplhz wrote:
uhmn isn't it a bit weird that igrok claimed after 3 pressure votes. i mean, a lot of people got 3 votes during day1 and they didn't claim, i've actually never seen anyone claim after just 3 votes and we weren't that far into the day, a lot of things could have happened. i think igrok felt very guilty and thinks the case against him is pretty strong, because he is scum. and that made him claim some shit he just made up.
also @drazerk
but medics don't protect through day. thus he's either a veteran or he's somehow immune to ##cleave, no matter what then he lied about his role. also, why would any medic protect igrok, he is scummy as hell and he didn't contribute during day1 at all. How do you know medics don't protect through the day?
I've played a lot of games where they have protected all cycle.
As for why they would protect iGrok?
I have no idea.
He does talk about medics a lot before he claimed.
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On September 22 2011 03:47 Archon_Toilet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You say you didn't get a scum vibe from iGrok. Were you getting a town vibe? Did you think he would be a likely day one hit? I would like to add to this. Did you protect him last night or was it only during the day today? If you protected him last night, chaoser needs to hang.
How does that work again? lol
I said I survived, not how I survived. Nice ghost vote on me btw.
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On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum.
I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't.
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On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't. He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him?
He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim).
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I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead.
Where does he say he wins with mafia? He said he wins by surviving. And you're talking semantics syllogism.
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Also, if I was mafia along with iGrok, why the FUCK would I vote him and then unvote him a mere 5 30 seconds later?
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Yeah it's WIFOM but not all WIFOM is the same. Everything in the game is technically WIFOM, even someone pushing intensely for a mafia's lynch. This one literally makes no sense.
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On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia?
You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now
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On September 22 2011 04:28 Jackal58 wrote:I really don't like revisiting this: Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:41 Jackal58 wrote:
You're about as much fun to play with as a burning bag of catshit.
Replace me Curu.
What part do you fail to comprehend?
On September 20 2011 14:15 Curu wrote:
After discussion with Mig and BC I have decided to modkill xtfftc, Navillus, chaos13 and DoctorHelvetica. I will discuss the decision after the game. Modkill post will be coming up shortly. Anybody requesting future replacement, simply announce it in the thread and send me a PM with your reasons. Do not post something like chaos13 did, that is blatantly affecting people's reads on you when replacing out.
Don't try to use your asking for a replacement as some sort of "town cred" bullshit. I already called chaos13 out on it, don't you do it too.
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On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote:
##Vote Jackal
You didn't actually vote in the vote thread radfield
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On September 22 2011 08:03 prplhz wrote:
well at least you're out of a terrible game full of terrible townies
Just got back from ER shift, =[.
Who do you think is mafia prplhz?
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woah woah woah, where did GGQ come from? You never/barely talk about him and all of a sudden you're calling a hit on him?
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