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On September 19 2011 10:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Let us not forget, when lucidity came under attack he began posting like a madman, attacking WBG, then attacking forumite when you pointed out the fact that WBG gave up his piece without knowing what it would be. He also attacked jackal around that time as well.
The trouble with today is I strongly believe that one or more of Cyber, Nisani, Sevryn, dream, and curu are scum. But unless we all want to go for a random lurker lynch we dont have enough to go on for any of them.
actually does anyone know why we stopped voting for nisani? things got chaotic a few pages back. did he have a piece or was it because he was in a PM circle?
We stopped voting for Nisani after he cleared me of suspicion about me getting my element early.
I think Lucidity was suspicious about WBG before he came under suspicion, and since he´s been defending the case that I thought it was scummy of him to make, not trying to make a case to divert attention.
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On September 19 2011 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 09:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 09:34 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 09:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide. A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility. I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy. And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing. You have no proof because I never had any sort of intention to do anything like that. Ever. This is horrible, convoluted logic. The simplest explanation wins, and clearly this is not the simplest explanation, because if that's what I wanted to do I would've actually made signs that I wanted your piece. I never asked for it. If I was scum I probably would've hinted that I would be a better recipient than tnkted, but I didn't do that, did I? I´m not proving your guilt, just the possibility of guilt, and while it´s convoluted logic, it paints a logical train of thought both from a scum and town perspective. You didn´t have to tell me to give you my piece, it was always on the table, and always one of the ways to clear up the situation. I repeatedly asked you to make up your mind about giving your piece to me. You could have said that you didn´t trust me, that I should give you my piece. I was waiting for an answer, on if I would get the piece or if I should give mine away, because I felt a lynch coming on. Before Nisani vouched for me, there was enough pressure that I might have given you the piece just to keep it among living ponies. It could have worked, and that you didn´t say you wanted the piece doesn´t mean anything, because it was always the most likely outcome, thanks to your mistake with the PM. This doesn't make sense. First of all, I thought it would be best to give the piece to one of you or tnkted without saying who received it. Then I realized it didn't matter if I did it that way and decided to just say that I'd given it to tnkted in the thread. Never once did it cross my mind that you would think of giving me the piece. It just doesn't make sense to give me the piece, and it didn't make sense to me to give my piece to you either. Both of us were unconfirmed at this point in time, so the proper choice would've been between tnkted and Jackal. I chose to give it to tnkted because it was public that my choice was between you and tnkted. Lastly, there was never any pressure for you to get lynched and you know that. I don't understand why you're saying that now, it's not making sense to me in the slightest.
The lynch hadn´t taken on speed yet, but there were votes on me. Those votes were on me because you said you got your item on N1, the time tnkted and Jackal got theirs. If you had posted the correct time the first time, then there would have been no suspicion on me.
As for tnkted, I don´t remember you saying you would send your piece to him until after I had allready done so, which forced you to do the same. If you hadn´t presented your piece at that time, you´d have been lynched, so giving it to tnkted was what you needed to do, independant of alignment.
But you have one point, I never showed that I might send my piece to you, because you never answered me if you thought I was Town.
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On September 19 2011 10:08 Jackal58 wrote:
Question for you Forumite. Did you tell Nisani and Curu in your QT that you received an item?
I asked them if they got an interesting PM with the daypost. I didn´t want to say more in case one of them were scum. None of them said they had gotten a PM, so I assumed that only a few pieces had been distributed, and left it at that.
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On September 19 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Forumite you are in a similar position I am voting for someone who wont get lynched. who do you want to go for today?
WBG can´t accept that what he did could have been done exactly the same by a scum, which is weird, but since the element claims and until now, I feel we can make do without a lynch today. If everyone wants to lynch WBG, then I can move my vote, I won´t force a no-lynch.
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On September 19 2011 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:31 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Forumite you are in a similar position I am voting for someone who wont get lynched. who do you want to go for today? WBG can´t accept that what he did could have been done exactly the same by a scum, which is weird, but since the element claims and until now, I feel we can make do without a lynch today. If everyone wants to lynch WBG, then I can move my vote, I won´t force a no-lynch. I'm not accepting it because it's a hypothetical. The real fact of the matter is that I'm town, so you're wasting a ton of time by focusing on me. Do you understand now?
You might be Town, but I´ve proven that it´s not proven that you are Town. See?
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I think there are 5 votes on WBG...
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On September 19 2011 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:36 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 10:31 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Forumite you are in a similar position I am voting for someone who wont get lynched. who do you want to go for today? WBG can´t accept that what he did could have been done exactly the same by a scum, which is weird, but since the element claims and until now, I feel we can make do without a lynch today. If everyone wants to lynch WBG, then I can move my vote, I won´t force a no-lynch. I'm not accepting it because it's a hypothetical. The real fact of the matter is that I'm town, so you're wasting a ton of time by focusing on me. Do you understand now? You might be Town, but I´ve proven that it´s not proven that you are Town. See? We can say the same about anyone in this game. We could say that about you too! The instant you were pressured at all by votes that should've screamed "easy lynch" to you, you begin this rant about me being mafia, completely disregarding everything else I've done. That makes sense from a scum agenda too! When someone puts things like you've done, you can come to whatever conclusion you want. It's just bad logic.
Actually, almost everything you did after tnkted and Jackals claims until you gave over the piece to tnkted has looked like suspicious to me. That´s why I didn´t send you my piece earlier, because you acted weird. I disregarded it due to the final result, you giving up the piece, but by that time you didn´t have a choice, so it doesn´t mean much.
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I´m the only one left who can vote on WBG, right?
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Jackal, has the exchange between me and WBG made him look more or less scummy to you?
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On September 19 2011 10:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:46 Forumite wrote:
Jackal, has the exchange between me and WBG made him look more or less scummy to you? Less.
And you still want to lynch to confirm him?
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I think Nisani is Town, and I don´t want to vote on him.
Still considering changing my vote to WBG.
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I think I´d prefer a no-lynch.
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Votes speak louder than words.
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I think jackal was waiting to see who got bloodthirsty at the end.
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Bunnies!
Going to sleep. G'night!
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On September 20 2011 06:05 Lucidity wrote:
If anyone is to blame for the no-lynch, it is Jackal, Forumite and greymist. There is AT LEAST one scum in there. Don't forget it.
Does that mean you think WBG is scum?
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On September 20 2011 09:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 09:06 Jackal58 wrote:On September 20 2011 08:59 Curu wrote:
Yes I did. The post is there somewhere. I sure don't see it. I see you getting pissy about proving to Forumite you were in the QT but you never explained why you thought he was scum. While you're here (Unless you're going away for another 30 hours) did Forumite mention getting a strange PM in the QT? in the context of the QT business between nisani/curu/Forumite I'm pretty sure one or two of those names are mafia. I doubt it's Forumite though, he was very reluctant to lynch me. In that case it's nisani/curu and they both very well could be mafia. If I'm still alive tomorrow I will be pushing the nisani lynch. Nisani came out to defend me, Curu came out to try to get me lynched on a weak case. That´s why I think nisani is Town.
On September 20 2011 09:20 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 09:14 Curu wrote:
I don't think Nisani is scum. It's probably Forumite. Nisani has bad posting but it doesn't seem to align with Mafia objectives. wtf you spend all day yesterday not here, then come in and just assert Nisani is town? Of course his behavior lines with mafia objectives, he was trying to push the blame around on multiple people for a no lynch yesterday (which he wasn't here to influence!) He was conveniently gone the entire time and then comes back and rages at us. He didn't have to provide his opinion cause he wasn't there! Are you scumbuddies with Nisani? Look at how fiercely he was defending sinani. Stupid move for scum. He also proposed the scum-among-us idea for the 3 Mason circle. Stupid move for scum. Not quite following here, Nisani said we shouldn´t trust blindly, he was accepting the possibility of scum among the Cutie Mark Crusaders, you however made the case that there MUST be a scum among us 3, and pushed for my lynch solely based on that. There´s nothing guaranteeing that there must be a scum among us, unless you know for a fact, by being one yourself. That´s why your case looks against me looks weird, and somewhat scummy.
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Of the remaining players, I´m most interested in Greymist. Just a feeling, mostly it´s him being wishy-washy and fitting in yesterday. I´ll see if there is any real evidence to back it up.
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Expecting a post from tnkted...
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