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On September 18 2011 22:50 Forumite wrote:
Lucidity, why did you readily believe Jackal and tnkted when they confirmed eachother, but believe one of either me or WBG is scum?
1. I don't believe all the pieces can be in townies' hands.
2. tnkted and Jackal were the first to claim and the circumstances surrounding the claim make me believe they're townies. tnkted giving his piece to Jackal IN PRIVATE when he feared for his life doesn't make sense as scum. Of course there is the possibility that he is playing us, but that is not my belief. I think it's unlikely. Jackal then revealed what tnkted did instead of simply killing him. Again, much more likely that he is Town for doing that. WBG on the other hand did everything in PUBLIC. Imo, much more likely that he's doing it for TOWN CRED. If you add the timing issues he had with believing tnkted/jackal's claim and when he actually got the stone, WBG is certainly scum.
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On September 18 2011 23:45 Forumite wrote:
Okay, until those items arrive to you, I´ll keep my vote on WBG. I doubt he´s lying, but it´s so easy to make sure.
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Leaving that for now, I have Lucidity in my sights, probably a bit UMGUS because of his early vote on me, but his play since doesn´t help in dispelling that first impression.
Not Scumtells: Pushing the first pony to look scummy (Me), not wanting to confirm Jackal+tnkted by lynching one of them.
Scumtells: Wanting to discuss ponies D0. Discrediting metaanalysis on self. Push DF with WIFOM. Soft FoS on Curu for no reason. Short posts except on DF and when defending himself. Wasting his vote by leaving it on me D1.
If WBG turns out to be town you're likely scum then. I can't imagine that both of you are town. So far you opened with a hella scummy play which I've pointed out already. You then disappeared. You came back and posted some absolute fluff. And then you discussed your stones a bit. All in all? No scum hunting. Except this post I quoted I guess... Which is the laziest case I've ever seen in my life.
Let's address my "scumtells" one by one.
Wanting to discuss ponies D0.
Because of my joke post? Which I followed up with stimulating discussion? Lol?
Discrediting metaanalysis on self.
That's just a weak reason and I already addressed it in my response to tnkted. I didn't discredit meta analysis on myself, I just pointed out that reading my past 3 games would be useless. PM games and 1 inactive game. Seriously, take a second to think about this...
Push DF with WIFOM.
I don't understand what you mean here. Could you please elaborate?
Soft FoS on Curu for no reason.
What do you mean for no reason? I shared my thoughts.
Short posts except on DF and when defending himself.
My posts today have been short for lack of time. Some of it was to try and bait you and WBG into going after me (eg my initial WBG accusation). I wanted to see if you'd latch on to an easy short post or two and then twist my earlier actions to look scummy. Apparently it has worked with you. If WBG flips town at some point please go after Forumite. He is not hunting scum. Filter him. HE IS NOT HUNTING SCUM.
Wasting his vote by leaving it on me D1
Again, I don't understand what you mean here. I voted sinani. Without my vote there would have been a no lynch.
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I'm referring to this.
On September 17 2011 21:03 Lucidity wrote:
Oh and WBG is scum.
2 ez.
On September 18 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote:
Just read the new element of harmony claim. One of Forumite or WBG is definitely scum.
Though the latter was really because I didn't have time to post more. I could have left such a post out, but neither you nor WBG had attacked my previous post so I thought I'd post one more. I haven't been playing scummily on purpose except for that. I knew scum would try to latch on to that and town's short term memory and try to push for my lynch. Honestly, if you think that's worth a lynch or me pushing scum agenda I have no hope for Town. You are purposefully ignoring the rest of my play or misrepresenting it if you want to lynch me. I have since qualified my earlier statements regarding WBG being scum so those posts aren't even relevant anymore.
Has anyone read my case against WBG?
5.5 hours left. We need to start consolidating votes. Town is always way too slow near deadlines.
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On September 19 2011 05:23 Forumite wrote:Below is the reflexive FoS that Lucidity did on Curu. It and the FoS on DF came right after eachother. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:03 Lucidity wrote:
I'll delve into that Curu/sinani/nisani shitstorm later.
Curu has scarred me with his brilliant Mafia play in XLIII(IV)? No matter how town he looks I'm always going to be doubting him now -_-
Maybe it came right after each other because that's when I was online posting? Lol. And that statement regarding Curu is true. Go read XLIV. He was considered the most pro-town player in Town and he was scum. That wasn't a FoS at all.
Here is my FoS on Curu:
On September 15 2011 08:01 Lucidity wrote:
I can't tell if Curu tried to cause chaos or if he's just being really aggressive... Policy lynching someone for actions in another game isn't something I think a good player would do. Curu hasn't advocated it in other games with Kenpachi/Kurumi as far as I'm aware, and he basically views them as unreadable too.
What do you think about my case on WBG Forumite?
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Come on you North Americans !#$%@
WTB Input!
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Are you fucking with me?
She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo.
You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible.
How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded.
If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist?
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My name is Derpy Hooves by the way.
I have no special powers.
I have no elements of harmony.
So lynching me isn't the end of the world for Town, but for the love of all things pony, THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
Where are my scummy motives?
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On September 19 2011 06:05 Forumite wrote:
You say it was a bait, I just see a FoS without any substance behind it, after getting WBG more or less confirmed, at least in my eyes. Scum would want to discredit any correct attempt to confirm Town, which makes pushing WBG at that time scummy. Of course I think you look scummy for it.
I´ve read your case on WBG, skimmed it at least.
Him forgetting when he got his piece, does it make him more scum? N1 makes less sense, as it must have come from Sinani, as Sinani wouldn´t have kept his piece when he was getting lynched and WBG didn´t look like the best one to send it to. The thing is, that when he got it doesn´t make him Scum, wether or not he lied about it might, if for example another Scum got it and that Scum told him the wrong day. Is that what you think?
What looks weird is him pushing for more info from Jackal, even though he allready knew what they were talking about. He should have accepted earlier. That´s the part of your case on him I can agree with, at least before he gave up his piece.
No substance? Top of page 38. !#&($^*@^#(%@#&%*!@%#&^%
Why would you think I'm trying to discredit a "confirmed townie" in your eyes WHEN YOU DIDN"T TRUST HIM AT THE TIME? That doesn't add up.
I'm completely amazed.
Perhaps Forumite is WBG's scumbuddy after all.
In all seriousness, I want to know from all the people who got elements. How is it possible to forget at which point in the game you got your element? How could WBG have forgotten this?
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You're kidding right?
WBG starts insulting people for reason to get his point across.
I'm getting angry because I'm going to be lynched for no good reason.
TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
WBG did not try to get his point across by insulting people in XLIV.
I would point to me raging in PM games, but I can't because they were PM games... Now my lack of meta comes back to bite me in the ass. FUCK YES!
As for not pushing dreamflower.......... tnkted was my first choice lynch candidate at the start of the day. Why would I try to lynch dreamflower?
tnkted: If you're going to vote me please respond to my response of your analysis on me. I'd like to know which parts were unsatisfactory to you.
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Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest.
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He might have thought that him getting it Day 2 ties in with Chaos dying. He might have wanted to remove that possibility from the table completely. If he had said Day 2 I would have immediately brought up the idea that scum get the elements of their night kill victims. So that was smart of him.
The first time he "breadcrumbs" that he has the element is after tnkted/jackal on Day 2.
Come. On.
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On September 19 2011 06:55 tnkted wrote:@lucidity: You don't get to decide when I respond to you, since you're the one on the block right now, but since we're short of time lets pretend that I was entirely satisfied with everything you wrote. I want you to answer this: Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 06:44 tnkted wrote:On September 19 2011 06:33 Lucidity wrote:
Are you fucking with me?
She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo.
You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible.
How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded.
If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist? What do you think about the fact that I recieved both forumite and WBG's pieces? They weren't lying about having them at all. Which means that they probably aren't lying about when they got them either. How does that fit in the pattern? This is the third time you've been asked this and you have ignored it every time, which is weird, since (if it can be reconciled) its the strongest part of your analysis.
How does that prove my innocence? If you're happy with my defense and you can't reconcile WBG's lies, how does that make me scum?
Anyway, those two things aren't related at all. I'm not saying he lied about when he got the piece because he didn't have it. I'm saying he lied, because there's no way he could have forgotten when he got it. Possible reasons for not telling us it's Day 1 from the start include:
- He got it on Day 2 and didn't want to invite any relation to Chaos' death.
- He wanted to make it more believable by claiming the same date as you and Jackal
- Someone else on the scum team got it in a PM and WBG screwed up the dates.
There is no way he forgot when he got it if he's town.
I cannot belive that.
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He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point.
I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy.
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On September 19 2011 07:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote:
Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest. There are more than 4 shards in play. There are 6 elements. That makes 12 pieces if GMarshall split them all in half. 2 day 1, 2 night 1, 2 day 2, see where I'm going?
If that's how it works, certain people will have to get more than 1 element... which is possible I guess.
If I get lynched, I want you to keep in mind that it's likely that there are only 5 elements and that combining all 5 creates the 6th. At least it was the "Friendship" of the ponies that created the last element in the story and vanquished Nightmare Moon. "Friendship" might win us the game in this instantly if we combine the 5 elements with a protown player. That's just my guess.
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I listed possible reasons earlier tnkted.
Judging by how convinced you were Forumite was scum for having it on Day 1, it made sense for WBG to stay on his N1 claim.
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No.
I hope the majority required will be adjusted for the number of inactives. At least count the players as 11 - 2 = 9 for those who asked for replacements.
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At this point the only reason voting for Sevryn is because he's lurking? Or did I miss some analysis?
Don't vote Sevryn without analysis.
Don't follow LaL blindly when we have real candidates on the table.
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On September 19 2011 07:14 tnkted wrote:
Lucidity, buddy, I want you to convince me since you are acting so town right now.
On September 19 2011 07:59 tnkted wrote:
Guys, we need 5 votes to lynch if GM ignores the modkills/replacements in the voting count. I still think we should lynch lucidity, he's our best option right now (not a very good one, but still, he's our best). The alternative is a nolynch, which I don't think anyone wants.
Erm?
And nice work on the false dilemma. The alternative is LYNCHING SCUM IN WBG. Not a no lynch.
And riddle me this: Why did WBG vote for both you and Jackal at a stage that he claims he believed you were town? Please read the part of my analysis on WBG that deals with you and the claims at least.
And comment on it.
Why am I more scummy than WBG? Everyone that votes for me needs to state this clearly so that we can find the scum on me after I die.
@Everyone: I haven't played with tnkted before. Is he considered a good player?
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I meant lurkers. Sorry for the confusion.
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