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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 02:54 GMT
#214
I didn't even know you breadcrumbed in XLIV, and I was there.
maybe making a gameplan based on that is not such a good idea.

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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 03:12 GMT
#217
Wait, "not necessarily fluff." does that mean there actually are clues in this game? because the OP states there are none.
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United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 03:20 GMT
#222
The only thing I can see in the post is that the phrase "the key word being 'seemed'" seems out of place, but that may be stretching things waaaaay too far. There doesnt seem to be anything about the setup other than what you mentioned sevryn. other than the elements of harmony possibly being a mechanic, the phrase "nightmare moon has returned" might indicate a third party of some kind?
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United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 05:23 GMT
#227
Nightmare moon is the main antagonist of the first 2 episodes, sister to princess celestia (the good ruler) she turned into nightmare moon out of jelousy of her sister and wants to bring eternal darkness. she was imprisoned on the moon by celestia by using the 6 elements of harmony, which are actual orbs in the show but manifest themselves in the main ponies, much like the triforce in the Legend of Zelda. Here is wikipedia on both in case my explanation is not adequate.
Elements of HarmonyNightmare Moon

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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 05:25 GMT
#228
EBWOP so im really bad at making links... click the words "elements of Harmony to go to that page and "Nightmare Moon to go to its page.

Here are the fixed links for those of you who need order in your lives
Nightmare moon

Elements of Harmony

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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 14:01 GMT
#250
My responses are in green.

On September 13 2011 22:15 tnkted wrote:
Eh, I'm not buying the forumite lynch. His initial statements were pretty lame, but he's been acting like an unjustly accused town since then.

I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst.


Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 06:42 GreYMisT wrote:
Sadly I have to agree with Dream, and echo what she said. We pretty much haw a very long day 1 with no roles or anything but a very general plan to discuss. I have only played with a few of you, but from the games I have read we will do well if we can maintain a good atmosphere, as we have right now. Because we also don't know how many or what type of roles exist, we need to focus on logic and behavioral analysis, rather than hope for power roles to carry us. I think we should process forward assuming no blues exist.


Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc.

His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this:
Not much to say about my post here, as I defended it below. In short I felt this post was a better idea than spam or not posting at all.

Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 09:06 GreYMisT wrote:
I prefer policy posts and "plans" to the spam and trolling it takes to get some games started on day 1. Would you rather I didn't post at all? I feel that at least gets everyone on the same page. Otherwise we don't know where anyone stands on the mechanics of the game, and judging from games I have read on here that seems to muck up later days.


Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither.

I have to disagree with you here. How am I not defending myself here? I state the reason behind my post before. The phrase "would you rather I didn't post at all" was not an appeal to emotion, but rather an actual statement of the fact that I feel it is better to post than not at all.


Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum.

I have never played a game with clues, so maybe I am overemphasizing their importance to the game, but GMarshal stated that that might give us an insight into game mechanics and the possible settup, which I felt would be pretty important when we dont know either.

## Vote Greymyst




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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 16:10 GMT
#272
Lurking is obviously pretty bad for the town, as is being inactive. I feel, however, that we need to go after real targets as a priority even on day 1. Scum can use this lynch inactives policy to shunt lynches away from themselves, and we don't want that to bite us later on. Lynching real targets before lurkers will also give us more information. I will post some analysis when I am out of bio lab in about 3 hours.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 21:35 GMT
#299
On September 14 2011 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
So you want us to lynch into this list:

Lurkers
    6.) DroneAllDay
    9.) OriginalName
    11.) sinani206


If and only if we don't have a more active, scummy target?



Assuming we don't get a more solid target before time runs out, I prefer Sinani206 for the lynch over the other two. Both ON and droneallday have not posted at all since /confirming (with the exception of ON's most recent post about). Both of these players are currently inactive, there is no evidence to suggest they have even read the thread. Sinani on the other hand is currently Lurking. He has a total of 3 posts to his name occurring after the daypost. Here is his Filter. Now lets pick out his posts out of there.

On September 13 2011 14:14 sinani206 wrote:
Can someone who watches the show explain what Nightmare Moon is? It might be useful to help solve whatever is hidden in the post, something like the roles or numbers of the mafia.


A legitimate question for now. However he makes no attempt to analyze the actual post or respond to what others have said. He instead asks a very general question, something scum would do to appear as though they were contributing, and at the same time delay actual efforts at interpreting the post or scumhunting.

Thats all he posts for a while until we get to


On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
Goddamnit you guys.

7/13 = 53.85%

nubs


and

On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
(it takes 7 to lynch not 8)


Again, he posts something of legitimate concern. But it is something that can be found out by one's self, and detracts from discussion much like the above quote regarding the daypost.
Around the time of this second set of posts as well, both me and Forumite get FoSed. dispite obviously being around enough to know that we are misunderstanding "majority" he fails to weigh in on either of the cases.

sinani is, in the absence of a strong contender, our best lynch at the moment.

##Vote Sinani206
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 01:21 GMT
#313
On September 14 2011 09:40 chaos13 wrote:
Let's back up the sinani wagon here. Look how fast this built up. Not mafia.

And
##unvote

Forumite responded like town and there's no way he's gonna be lynched today. My vote is useless on him.


I'd hardly call it a wagon, He only had my vote+analysis, and Curu's Vote. What evidence do you have to back up your statement of "Not Mafia?"
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 01:27 GMT
#315
Sinani Hasn't been on the past two pages, are we talking about the same player?
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 02:08 GMT
#320
On September 14 2011 10:49 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Sinani Hasn't been on the past two pages, are we talking about the same player?


Ctrl+F sinani on Page 15. You were even talking about him, so I don't know how you could have missed that lol


I just did a search for sinani on page 15 and he has not posted there, his name apears14 times on that page, and only in the messages of other people. His last post was (aside from the most recent one on this page where he votes dreamflower for suggesting to lynch lurkers on day1...) found on page 13 of this thread and it was the following

On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
(it takes 7 to lynch not 8)


Hopefully that will end this senseless tangent.

Now Sinani, do you have a better reason for voting dreamflower other than the fact he/she voted for you? Dont say because he/she wants to lynch lurkers because thats something quite a few of us decided might be the best thing to do play a page back.

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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 03:13 GMT
#337
On September 14 2011 11:16 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 11:08 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 14 2011 10:49 chaos13 wrote:
On September 14 2011 10:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Sinani Hasn't been on the past two pages, are we talking about the same player?


Ctrl+F sinani on Page 15. You were even talking about him, so I don't know how you could have missed that lol


I just did a search for sinani on page 15 and he has not posted there, his name apears14 times on that page, and only in the messages of other people. His last post was (aside from the most recent one on this page where he votes dreamflower for suggesting to lynch lurkers on day1...) found on page 13 of this thread and it was the following

On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
(it takes 7 to lynch not 8)


Hopefully that will end this senseless tangent.

Now Sinani, do you have a better reason for voting dreamflower other than the fact he/she voted for you? Dont say because he/she wants to lynch lurkers because thats something quite a few of us decided might be the best thing to do play a page back.


This is a pressure vote, to prompt an answer to my question, "Why lynch a lurker if we have a perfectly good other lynch candidate?"

I don't understand why other people can pressure vote me, but I can't pressure vote others.


I Still fail to see how that is an acceptable reason to vote for someone. Why not ask the thread, "hey why are we going for me instead of X player, when they have done XYZ? instead you vote for a player, and then ask the question. If you were town you would just ask the question I feel, and not feel the need to "pressure vote." as Blue I cant fathom why you would do this. Even as mafia this is putting the spotlight even more on yourself. The only thing I can imagine from this is you are trying to "blend in" by voting for dream for whatever reason, which implies you have something to hide.

Now, you said earlier that Forum was our better lynch candidate, Do you have any additional analysis to bring to the table about his actions? In addition, why didn't you vote for him?
I am beginning to understand Curu and WBG's position.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 04:16 GMT
#356

On September 14 2011 10:30 sinani206 wrote:

Anyway, I don't think we should have backed off of the pressure on Forumite when we started talking about lurkers. We had a lynch candidate before, but now we want to lynch lurkers. What? Lurkers are supposed to be the last priority lynch.


On September 14 2011 13:06 sinani206 wrote:


The Forumite lynch is long gone, I was just using that as an example of my point.


Lynches aren't dust in the wind, they don't just "go away." If you have additional evidence or analysis on Forumite that would constitute a lynch, I would love to hear it.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 15:29 GMT
#420
Sorry guys monday through wednesday are my most busy class days, I can assure you that I will be back and active later on today well before the deadline.

Just some thoughts on the situation at the moment. Curu, though abrasive, has actually shown us what a true pressure vote looks like. He comes into the thread with the pretext to policy lynch sinani based on a past game's gameplay, and holy shit look at the responses and information we get to work with. I still think Sinani is our best scum target at the moment for the following reasons.

Consider the similar situation at the start of the game, with Chaos13 instantly voting for jackal. in what way did jackal respond? simply with an "lol" and goes on to explain the context of that lynch in a later post.

Now, in what way did sinani respond to similar pressure? He first responds by deflecting attention to dreamflower for wanted to lynch lurkers. I posted analysis already but the following post is one I am interested in.


On September 14 2011 12:51 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 12:32 Nisani201 wrote:
1. Sinani has not trolled in this game (yet)

2. Discussion on game mechanics should NOT be frowned upon on D1, as that is how discussion is started.

3. The post about majority lynches was within the context of the game, as people were using the wrong number. This is a common symptom of using the filter button without gathering context.

4. It is true that he didn't mention the "other lynch candidate," but it's not scummy. I'll just ask nicely.

Sinani206, who is the "other lynch candidate" you mentioned earlier?


Forumite.

Curu, you're a fucking idiot by the way.
I just want you to die ASAP.

##Unvote
##Vote: Curu


this is pure emotion, no logic or rational exists behind this post from a town perspective. If sinani was town why not say when the vote happened to him "yea he is voting for me because I played badly in Ace's game, I will focus and do better this game." that seems much more townie to me.
Here is his goodbye post from Ace's game, in which he was town.

On September 12 2011 14:48 sinani206 wrote:
sorry im terrible gg


In this he acknowledges his play was subpar. Therefore he would know the reason that curu is voting for him at the start of this game. a town sinani would not take this as much of a threat. however a scum sinani would see this as a very serious concern. what if curu tunnels me? what if i slip up? This is the sinani we have seen this game. One that is most certainty not town aligned.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 14 2011 21:22 GMT
#438
I have arrived!

Not much has changed since the last time I posted earlier this afternoon. I think dreamflower summed up a few of my thoughts about the sinani lynch quite nicely. I still think him to be our best target today.

Jackal, Tnkted, Chaos, and Nishani you are all voting for outliers at the moment. Please look over the sinani lynch, in particular my and dream's posts, and let us know why you feel lynching him is not a good idea, and why your targets are better.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 15 2011 00:00 GMT
#455
I believe the deadline is in ~2hours and 10 minutes, but i could be stupidly mistaken

WBG, thanks for being one of the few to actually respond to my request for reasoning. I am still more convinced that Sinani is a better lynch, but I will admit Tnktned has caught my eye as well. Mostly due to the way in which he has been throwing votes around like confetti this entire day 1. Lets take a journey down memory lane shall we?


On September 13 2011 22:15 tnkted wrote:

## Vote Greymyst



On September 14 2011 03:46 tnkted wrote:

## Unvote

## Vote OriginalName





On September 14 2011 09:56 tnkted wrote:

## Unvote OriginalName

## Vote Curu


On September 14 2011 22:04 tnkted wrote:


##Unvote


##Vote: Dreamflower



Of course I have taken these votes out of context, but this should help you see what I mean.

I will reiterate, I feel tnkted is scummy, however I still feel sinani is a strong lynch for the reasons i have posted throughout the thread. If anyone has any more information/analysis, we have 2 hours left. step forward.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 15 2011 02:37 GMT
#486
Apparently a "Strange power is rising"
Possibly referring to a timed mechanic?
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 15 2011 23:27 GMT
#515
It should be in 2 hours and 30 minutes if im not mistaken.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 16 2011 16:48 GMT
#554
I will be busy for a few hours today as well. until then I am rereading the game with Chaos and Sinani as town In mind.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 17 2011 00:00 GMT
#568
I'm sorry guys I am on my phone at dinner and can't post the analysis that I wanted to all today. Just a short update on my thoughts on the recent happenings.

Jackal and tntked are linked in some way, this much is clear. I feel that this clears both of suspicion for now in my eyes. from a mafia perspective it doesn't make sense to call attention to themselves, at least this early on in the game. Establishing themselves with a connection this early on is something I feel 2 townies would do to confirm each other, rather than a gambit by the scum to get town cred. Coupled with the fact that jackal seems to be playing differently than when he is scum makes me want to investigate other options for a lynch today other than tntked.
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