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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 13 2011 17:37 GMT
#717
On September 14 2011 02:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:28 xtfftc wrote:
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.


Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar?

Yes.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 02:05 GMT
#740
On September 14 2011 04:56 GGQ wrote:
Just posting to say that this game is a mindfuck, and I've really lost my grip on it. I'm gonna have to re-read at least once before I'm ready to vote.

Right now I'm leaning towards believing bumatlarge, as his claim is more consistent with his behavior (blueslip at the beginning of the game, subtly warning zona not to visit him; all this could be faked of course but that would take a lot of planning), imo, than palmar's or jackal's. Only thing is that paranoid gun owner doesn't seem like a role that Ace would use as it seems a little too luck-based. But that's just me speculating, it doesn't outweigh the player's behavior in game.

In a game this size with 2 cops it makes perfect sense to have a pgo. On the scum team.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 12:44 GMT
#747
I believe sandroba to be scum. I believe Chaos13 to be town. I gotta roll with Palmar being an insane cop. I can see no reason for the GF to make the claim he did today. So ya I gotta think Bum is lying.
##VOTE: Bumatlarge
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 18:39 GMT
#757
On September 15 2011 03:25 xtfftc wrote:
I am not sure what I make of the Palmar vs Bum dilemma, so I'm going for the safer option.

##Vote: Sandroba

That option is for a no lynch There is no safety there at all. We need 6 votes to have a chance at winning. Palmar or Bum. Grow a pair. Vote Bum.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 18:52 GMT
#759
On September 15 2011 03:48 xtfftc wrote:
There was a total of 5 votes before mine - there's clearly enough time to lynch Sandroba.

There were two votes on Palmar. If either were from a townie scum would have hammered him.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 18:57 GMT
#761
On September 15 2011 03:52 sandroba wrote:
Who exactly is advocating for a palmar lynch besides me? Zona who is basically confirmed town and bum who is the other suspect. Seeing this situation I can only assume bum is indeed town. But let's assume me and bum are mafia for a moment. So you think that the other 2 "mafia" besides me and bum just decided to bus bum in the beggining of the day even when palmar's claim makes no sense at all.
Obviously palmar is mafia. If you lynch bum you are gonna lose.

Spoken like a true outsider.
Scum.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 19:13 GMT
#768
On September 15 2011 04:01 sandroba wrote:
Jackal is either really blind or mafia too. Probably mafia now that I think about it. Look there are 2 DTs in a game where mafia has no roleblocker, none suspect the other, both conviniently checked and suspected (for no damn reason) WBG the same night and he ended up shot and they both agree on lynching the same suspect. What a beautiful ridiculous story.

Your high man. Townies never refer to themselves as "you". You're not town. You're not one of us. You're one of "them" And so is Bum.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 19:14 GMT
#769
I'm pretty sure Zona is scum too.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 19:40 GMT
#771
Just roll over and play dead, scumdroba.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 21:25 GMT
#777
Sandroba, Bumatlarge, BayonetteAnderson, Zona
Scum day vig, scum night vig. Well actually a bullshit claim by a bullshit night vig. And a bullshit RB claim. How the hell does a dead protector role role block anybody. Pure bullshit.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 21:25 GMT
#778
I'm gonna go get drunk.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 23:03 GMT
#790
On September 15 2011 07:59 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
So, assume Palmar flips red, who should we have the vigi's shoot tonight? (remember a misfire costs us the game, we cannot afford to miss)

I propose Jackal, does anyone else have any other suggestions?

Games over as soon as Palmar gets lynched and you know it.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 23:04 GMT
#792
On September 15 2011 08:00 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
EBDWODP: "who should we have the vigi(s) shoot tonight?"

You. And I highly doubt we have a vig.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 23:06 GMT
#793
On September 15 2011 07:49 xtfftc wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Palmar


I believe Mig and Chaos13 deserve a closer look afterwards.

Put your vote on Bum.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 23:38 GMT
#796
You were so sure sandroba was scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
sandroba

[image loading]

So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filter

What jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote:
Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game.
Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job.
The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion.


and

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it.

Now I want this question answered by everybody:
Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style?

My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much.


Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere.

Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under.

So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game.

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.


You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal

Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll


What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon?

I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum.

For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he
1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play
2.) Shows wishy washyness
3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town
4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification
5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing.

Sandroba is scum

##Vote: Sandroba

The LORD is righteous:
he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
Let them be as the grass upon the housetops,
which withereth afore it groweth up:
wherewith the mower filleth not his hand;
nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.


AMEN


And you were OK with a Bum lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 01:12 Curu wrote:
Based on right now I would lynch sinani, bum, Jackal, or Palmar. I don't know if sandroba is actually lack-of-interest Townie or doing syllogism style "lurk as scum even when pressured until people forget about you" but he has indicated he will post more. If he doesn't hold to this we can lynch him.

Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it.

I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised.


But now you're voting with both of them.

I hate TV evangelists. You're all scummy con artists.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 14 2011 23:48 GMT
#798
On September 15 2011 08:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote:
You were so sure sandroba was scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
sandroba

[image loading]

So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filter

What jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote:
Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game.
Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job.
The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion.


and

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it.

Now I want this question answered by everybody:
Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style?

My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much.


Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere.

Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under.

So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game.

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.


You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal

Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll


What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon?

I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum.

For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he
1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play
2.) Shows wishy washyness
3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town
4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification
5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing.

Sandroba is scum

##Vote: Sandroba

The LORD is righteous:
he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
Let them be as the grass upon the housetops,
which withereth afore it groweth up:
wherewith the mower filleth not his hand;
nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.


AMEN


And you were OK with a Bum lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 01:12 Curu wrote:
Based on right now I would lynch sinani, bum, Jackal, or Palmar. I don't know if sandroba is actually lack-of-interest Townie or doing syllogism style "lurk as scum even when pressured until people forget about you" but he has indicated he will post more. If he doesn't hold to this we can lynch him.

Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it.

I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised.


But now you're voting with both of them.

I hate TV evangelists. You're all scummy con artists.

[image loading]


If you want to fuck up somebodies day do it right.

[image loading]
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 15 2011 00:20 GMT
#800
Zona has been pushing Bum since day 1. And now she believes him more than Palmar. Zona claims to have shot BA. BA miraculously got protected by a dead guy. C'mon guys this shit is getting just too convenient. iGrok made the perfect target for a scum day vig. Nobody questioned it.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 15 2011 00:54 GMT
#806
On September 15 2011 09:32 Palmar wrote:
we haven't even had any roleblocks aside from the doc one, so how the fuck would mafia kill a pgo?

Sandroba could try to bore him to death.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 15 2011 01:49 GMT
#808
On September 15 2011 10:25 Zona wrote:
I've thought about this for way too long and don't want to anymore...after starting to think in crazy circles.

##Vote Palmar

If you're town vote for the guy you've been calling scum since day 1.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 15 2011 02:05 GMT
#811
On September 15 2011 10:55 Mig wrote:
Zona do you really think there is a pgo in a game with no dts and 1 medic he cant kill? You said bum/ba were both scum before. Why are you voting with them now?

There are 2 of us????
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