On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:sandroba
So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun.
Here is his filterWhat jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as
Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote:
Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game.
Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job.
The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion.
and
Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it.
Now I want this question answered by everybody:
Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style?
My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much.
Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried.
this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere.
Oh, wait, he says
this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its
dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under.
So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game.
Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.
You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and
don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how
whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its
wishy-washy and non-committal Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have
Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll
What the HELL? we went from
this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to
this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone
he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon?
I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum.
For those who dislike thinking,
sandroba is scum because he
1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play
2.) Shows wishy washyness
3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town
4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon,
with no justification5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing.
Sandroba is scum##Vote: SandrobaThe LORD is righteous:
he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
Let them be as the grass upon the housetops,
which withereth afore it groweth up:
wherewith the mower filleth not his hand;
nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.AMEN