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On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying.
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On September 13 2011 02:07 wherebugsgo wrote: How could a townie be so sure, I wonder?
Oh, right, probably cause you're not a townie.
He's so sure because he's scum.
And the only way he could be 100% sure is if you're scum with him. Reminds me of something Jackal and Coag did in a game once. They got pissed at each other and made the biggest busses ever seen in the history of mafia, and the exact phrase "He is 100% mafia" was thrown around a few times.
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On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying.
Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation.
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On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me.
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On September 13 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me.
So you think PM'ing Ace and asking about medics gets you town cred?
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On September 13 2011 09:45 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me. So you think PM'ing Ace and asking about medics gets you town cred? Somebody has missed the big picture.
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On September 13 2011 09:48 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:45 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me. So you think PM'ing Ace and asking about medics gets you town cred? Somebody has missed the big picture.
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On September 13 2011 09:37 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 02:07 wherebugsgo wrote: How could a townie be so sure, I wonder?
Oh, right, probably cause you're not a townie. He's so sure because he's scum. And the only way he could be 100% sure is if you're scum with him. Reminds me of something Jackal and Coag did in a game once. They got pissed at each other and made the biggest busses ever seen in the history of mafia, and the exact phrase "He is 100% mafia" was thrown around a few times.
The first part I agree with.
The second, I do not.
I'm not scumbuddies with anyone, cause I'm not scum. You can try linking me to people if you'd like, but any such link will be fabricated, because no such links exist.
Jackal seems to want to link me to Zona, for example. It's a fabricated link. I WILL, however, defend Zona because I think she's town.
Jackal and Palmar are scum, IMO.
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On September 13 2011 09:23 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 13 2011 09:03 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:43 wherebugsgo wrote: why would Palmar pm Ace instead of asking the question in the thread? Why would Zona? the idea was already out there, no? I'm not defending Zona over Palmar, I just don't think that action lines up with Zona's play so far. It does line up with Palmar's, though. No it wasn't. Palmar claimed he asked Ace then Zona jumped in with her answer. It wasn't "out there" at all. Ace confirmed Palmar's answer. He didn't confirm Palmar asked it but he confirmed the answer. I'm inclined to believe Palmar at this point. Zona may have asked as well but your question is leading and scummy looking. Palmar can't ask but Zona can. And Zona hedged her answer. You're both scum bro.
The idea was out there because Palmar put it out there before Zona did.
How hard is that to understand?
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really, you're grasping at straws bugs...
just this night you have accused me on being scum on the following reasons:
1. being confident in my reads 2. asking the host about rules
meh, I can't convince scum.
and the rest of the scumteam (sandroba, mig, chaos? xtf?) are hiding!
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On September 13 2011 10:02 Palmar wrote: really, you're grasping at straws bugs...
just this night you have accused me on being scum on the following reasons:
1. being confident in my reads 2. asking the host about rules
meh, I can't convince scum.
and the rest of the scumteam (sandroba, mig, chaos? xtf?) are hiding!
You're convoluting my words.
I've changed my mind, I'll keep Jackal as a suspect but I'm gonna push your lynch instead.
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On September 13 2011 10:02 Palmar wrote: and the rest of the scumteam (sandroba, mig, chaos? xtf?) are hiding!
lol try harder Palmar.
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if chaos tries harder he'll just keep accusing the wrong people lol + Show Spoiler +
but no really, you're scum.
Why were you so willing, so quickly, to lynch TAA? Then, when he flipped town, you had NOTHING to say about it.
NOTHING.
Why would he call Curu's reads subpar, but then have all the same reads himself? (since curu wasn't here to answer my question, I went and looked for it myself)
On September 12 2011 01:05 Curu wrote: Palmar what do you mean my reads are below my standards? From what I've seen we've agreed on almost everything in this game (iGrok Town, GGQ better lynch than iGrok, TAA good lynch, Mig playing below his rapetown, sandroba scummy, sinani derping around). The only thing we've disagreed upon is WBG. Are you perhaps telling me that many of my scum reads (and your same scum reads you're also pushing) are Town?
I don't think town Palmar slips on his OWN reads like that. I think this Palmar is scum.
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On September 13 2011 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:if chaos tries harder he'll just keep accusing the wrong people lol + Show Spoiler +

You and Palmar are going down.
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I need to sleep, there'll be less bugs tomorrow. I hope.
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Was out till now, Autumn Moon Festival etc.
This is the part WBG:
On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: Curu is almost definitely town, thing about people going emotional is that it makes it very easy to pick out actual frustrated town, and scum trying to blend in with that atmosphere, something I'll come back to later. The only problem with Curu as town is that his reads are below his standards, but his posting is way too natural and unrestricted for him to possibly be scum.
His reads were pretty much the same as mine except we disagreed about WBG. We agreed on everything else yet he calls my reads below my standards.
Zona I don't think is Mafia, possibly a bulletproof Serial Killer (that claim perfect matches a SK's) but I'm assuming if there was a Medic they would have counterclaimed Zona already if they did not protect her, which leads me to believe either her claim is legit or she's a SK.
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But with only 1 KP last night that must mean she purposely didn't shoot if she's SK. At this point I'm willing to buy her claim unless extra KP starts popping up.
The smurf's post:
On September 13 2011 04:33 BayonnetAnderson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 03:48 Zona wrote: To the doctor or medic who protected me last night: I suggest that you consider protecting Curu tonight, since he is the ONLY confirmed townie that we have, thanks to his rather clever breadcrumb. If you were thinking about protecting me again tonight (and I hope you were), I would ask that you flip a coin, and based on that, protect Curu or myself. Last time a player crumbed flavor text in an Ace game he was instantly modkilled (deconduo in Closed Casket mafia), as Ace considers crumbing flavor to be a violation of the "don't post PM's from the host" rule. If curu is telling the truth, then he will be modkilled, which *royally* sucks, if he *isn't* modkilled then I think I'll have to conclude he is lying. I'm ok with a medic protecting either you or me, as I think we are the most "obvious" town left. Also, I'm probably going to be afk for the next 24 hours, as I have things to do and places to be
Very much indicates a Pro Mafia mindset. He isn't willing to confirm me as Town or even consider it, instead pushing the idea that I must either be modkilled or that I am lying scum. Skepticism over the breadcrumb is plausible but not to the point where you only can only consider the two possibilities that are not helpful to Town. He has shown up to super tunnel a person each day without considering or commenting on any of the other candidates. His shot does not align with Mafia objectives, I agree, since flipping iGrok made me look a lot better, but if he is a Mafia Day Vig that was the only plausible shot he could make without looking super scummy.
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On September 13 2011 11:36 Curu wrote:But with only 1 KP last night that must mean she purposely didn't shoot if she's SK. At this point I'm willing to buy her claim unless extra KP starts popping up. The smurf's post: Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 04:33 BayonnetAnderson wrote:On September 13 2011 03:48 Zona wrote: To the doctor or medic who protected me last night: I suggest that you consider protecting Curu tonight, since he is the ONLY confirmed townie that we have, thanks to his rather clever breadcrumb. If you were thinking about protecting me again tonight (and I hope you were), I would ask that you flip a coin, and based on that, protect Curu or myself. Last time a player crumbed flavor text in an Ace game he was instantly modkilled (deconduo in Closed Casket mafia), as Ace considers crumbing flavor to be a violation of the "don't post PM's from the host" rule. If curu is telling the truth, then he will be modkilled, which *royally* sucks, if he *isn't* modkilled then I think I'll have to conclude he is lying. I'm ok with a medic protecting either you or me, as I think we are the most "obvious" town left. Also, I'm probably going to be afk for the next 24 hours, as I have things to do and places to be Very much indicates a Pro Mafia mindset. He isn't willing to confirm me as Town or even consider it, instead pushing the idea that I must either be modkilled or that I am lying scum. Skepticism over the breadcrumb is plausible but not to the point where you only can only consider the two possibilities that are not helpful to Town. He has shown up to super tunnel a person each day without considering or commenting on any of the other candidates. His shot does not align with Mafia objectives, I agree, since flipping iGrok made me look a lot better, but if he is a Mafia Day Vig that was the only plausible shot he could make without looking super scummy.
*sigh* I'm not going to argue with you. From Ace's past games I assumed he would kill you for crumbing, how is that scummy? It didn't occur to me that he might spare you for no apparent reason if you are town. I have a town read on you, which is *why* I assumed you were going to be modkilled. I don't see how thats looking at it from a mafia mindset, unless I'm an optimist mafia, in which case I don't see myself posting about it here, rather than waiting for you to be modkilled while giggling to myself. Please stop jumping to conclusions. If I were a mafia day vigi I would have saved my shot till lylo and fucked the town over, not shot one of the main suspects where I could push a mislynch... Either way, I'm not going to argue with you unless you bring a more substantial case.
I find myself intrigued by your theory that Zona could be a SK, can you explain why a SK would claim the hit, rather than remaining quiet though?
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Because remaining quiet would basically be telling Mafia/the Vig that shot you that you're the SK since there's absolutely no reason for a Townie not to declare they were shot.
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