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On September 11 2011 00:10 Curu wrote:
I think with the number of people jumping so fast onto the TAA wagon, there's a decent chance that one of iGrok or GGQ is scum.
People who jumped onto TAA after me with poor reasoning:
Jackal58, no mention of iGrok, says that GGQ isn't a good vote.
iGrok, quick jump onto TAA, cites a reason as TAA attacked someone for defending himself, doesn't mention sandroba for attacking iGrok himself for pretty much the same reason.
sandroba, doesn't think GGQ is a good lynch, wants iGrok, quick jump onto TAA.
xtfftc, attacks Palmar for saying he likes TAA as a lynch better than GGQ, then turns around and says the exact same thing that he likes TAA as a lynch better than GGQ or iGrok. Basically attacks Palmar for something he showed in his post that he agreed with.
bumatlarge, likes both iGrok and GGQ lynches, then switches gears into TAA and liking Mig/Palmar instead.
Of these, I think sandroba looks the worst. sandroba because of meta reasons mostly; it isn't like him to only lightly push iGrok then switch completely. In XLIII he was scum and when his teammate came under fire day 1 he pushed lightly/FoSed him but with no real weight behind it. He's also been a lot more useless compared to his usual Town play.
Finally Mig's contributions and reasoning have been a lot worse than what I would expect from him. He wagons onto WBG's attack on me for starting the TAA vote when he admits during the night that he himself thought TAA was a valid vote. His pushes on Palmar because of Palmar defending iGrok are really weird considering he just finished a game where Palmar did the exact same thing and his attack on sinani for derping around is very unlike him, especially when there's more solid material in the thread to work with. The situation is almost exactly like supersoft in AA where supersoft lied about being active in PMs when he hadn't PMed anyone at all, except I was the one foaming at the mouth wanting to lynch supersoft for his lie and Mig was the one telling me that that alone did not show super was Mafia.
Scumbag Curu
Lists bunch of people who shittily jumped on bandwagon
[I]started that shitty wagon]/I]
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On September 11 2011 00:17 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 23:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 10 2011 23:52 Palmar wrote:
I think I already explained why iGrok isn't scum, are you not reading the thread wherebugsgo? And what's with the omission of Mig in your list? Did you read my post on the last page? When I reread the thread I didn't find anything that Mig said that scummy. I don't see how his behavior aligns with a mafia agenda...yet. The difference between your suspicion on me and Mig's suspicion on me was how you two viewed the TAA wagons. You actually pointed out that the votes were piling too fast and made some effort to stop the wagon, Mig did not. In fact Mig himself admitted he thought TAA was a good vote but then turned around and followed you in calling me scummy for starting the TAA vote. He's bandwagoning and calling me scum for voting on a lynch that he agreed with me on.
Fair enough.
You think Mig is the better lynch over sandroba?
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Its time. I have proven beyond any doubt that iGrok is scum, yet somehow his lynch was averted by one of the fastest forming and most suspicious wagons I have seen in a long time. Furthermore iGrok's "defense" has consisted of ignoring my accusations and accusing me of being scum , rather than addressing why he is jumpy and scared. Scum 101, if you can't defend yourself discredit your attacker, and ignore the arguments against you. I'm not going to allow it.
It is time I put my money where my mouth is, or in this case my gun. I am a day vigi, and I am taking iGrok to the pits of hell, where he belongs.
Since I am the man pulling the trigger I take full responsibility for his flip. I'll be back to analyze the interactions later, but for now please note how hard Curu and Palmar have defended him, and check to see how it was Curu who began the bandwagon against TAA that kept iGrok of the gallows, and Palmar who gave a 5% chance iGrok was scum. Keep this all in mind when we see the flip, when my holly bayonnets dig into iGrok's flesh.
Let there be none to extend mercy unto him:
neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.
Let his posterity be cut off;
and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD;
and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
Let them be before the LORD continually,
that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.
Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD,
and of them that speak evil against my soul.
AMEN
##Kill: iGrok
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Mig and sandroba are both suspected for playing far below their Town standards. I would probably prefer Mig, but I know there's a degree of OMGUS in there. Until sandroba starts posting more and the thread wakes up, I would be content with either of them.
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It basically comes down to I don't know whether sandroba is wrong or not on iGrok (I think he is wrong but I'm not sure) whereas I know Mig is wrong about me and his attack on me is for starting a wagon that he agreed with.
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iGrok, The Double Voter has been shot
+ Show Spoiler +
Double Voter:
You are a Towny with an extra vote. If you use your second vote, then your name will appear twice on voting lists. You can switch around either vote as much as you please until deadline or majority hits. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated. Good luck!
With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday, September 12th @ 12:00 AM ET/13:00 KST.
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Fuck. I was so sure too.
Time to reread the thread. (After the TL Open is over)
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DERP.
Let's kill Mig.
##Vote Mig
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If iGrok had flipped scum I would've preferred sandroba as that aligns with his "softly but not really" accuse scum teammates but this lessens my read on him a bit.
Still wouldn't oppose to either but would prefer Mig definitely.
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And mister smurf man, now that your tunnel has died who do you find scummy?
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On September 11 2011 01:19 Curu wrote:
And mister smurf man, now that your tunnel has died who do you find scummy?
Can I get back to you on that? I was making my net of suspects based on iGrok flipping red, I need to go back and reread the thread and try to figure out what I've overlooked.
bleh.
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On September 11 2011 01:24 BayonnetAnderson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 01:19 Curu wrote:
And mister smurf man, now that your tunnel has died who do you find scummy? Can I get back to you on that? I was making my net of suspects based on iGrok flipping red, I need to go back and reread the thread and try to figure out what I've overlooked. bleh.
Look real hard at Bugs GMan.
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I don't think Bugs is scum. Was tempted to call him so yesterday but he actually has valid reasons to attack me.
Unlike Mig.
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Curu like I already said you starting the TAA lynch does not necessarily make you scummy. But the way you went about it lines up with your scum play. Along with that your logic behind why sinani isn't scum is way below your standards.
On September 11 2011 00:10 Curu wrote:
I think with the number of people jumping so fast onto the TAA wagon, there's a decent chance that one of iGrok or GGQ is scum.
So curu you kind of ignored this. Do you still think there is a chance GGQ is mafia? Why do you think the TAA bandwagon gained speed so quickly.
I had really assumed iGrok was going to flip red as well so I need to rethink things.
Btw did anyone take a hit last night? 1kp for mafia seems too small for a game of this size.
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You're right actually, I did overlook that. Going out for a bit but I encourage everyone to reread the thread with iGrok, JeeJee, and TAA Town in mind.
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K this stopped being funny a couple of games ago
Y U DO THIS SCUM
gl town
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On September 11 2011 01:15 Curu wrote:
DERP.
Let's kill Mig.
##Vote Mig
Nah, let's lynch you tonight. ^^ I really enjoyed reading your list, especially the parts that make no sense whatsoever. Why mix the suspicious ones with others just for the sake of having a long list of names?Take these two, for example:
On September 11 2011 00:10 Curu wrote:
iGrok, quick jump onto TAA, cites a reason as TAA attacked someone for defending himself, doesn't mention sandroba for attacking iGrok himself for pretty much the same reason.
On September 11 2011 00:10 Curu wrote:
bumatlarge, likes both iGrok and GGQ lynches, then switches gears into TAA and liking Mig/Palmar instead.
Bumatlarge is suspicious for mentioning people (Palmar, Mig) who were not major lynch candidates and iGrok for not mentioning someone who is a major lynch candidate (Sandroba)? Drawing conclusions out of these votes alone is not proper town play. Not to mention that iGrok actually explained why he didn't like GGQ as a lynch, so it only made sense for his vote to go to TAA.
Or this:
On September 11 2011 00:10 Curu wrote:
xtfftc, attacks Palmar for saying he likes TAA as a lynch better than GGQ, then turns around and says
the exact same thing that he likes TAA as a lynch better than GGQ or iGrok. Basically attacks Palmar for something he showed in his post that he agreed with.
I already pointed out that Curu is just making stuff up but he didn't bother replying to me. If anyone is interested, here is my post:
On September 09 2011 10:22 xtfftc wrote:Palmar. He opened the same way in XLIV, which resulted in some good leads but also ruined town discussion and made it easier for mafia to blend. Afterwards he acknowledged his mistake and said he'll be better next time. This is next time and he's doing exactly the same. Some quotes from Day 1 from both games: + Show Spoiler +From XLIV: On September 07 2011 17:54 Palmar wrote:
##Vote: Chaos13
For being always wrong. From this game: On August 19 2011 11:39 Palmar wrote:
must suck for dropbear to roll scum so often. From XLIV: On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2% From this game: On September 09 2011 09:34 Palmar wrote:
I said GGQ was less bad a lynch, but that's because iGrok has like ~5% chance of flipping scum. But I'm
fine with killing you, or TAA. From XLIV (later, when we had serious targets): On August 21 2011 01:12 Palmar wrote:
I do still think hanging DropBear is a good idea. From this game: On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum. etc. Palmar, in case you are not aware of this, your meta doesn't help you in this case - you have actually made yourself a strong lynch candidate. Also, herp + Show Spoiler +On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.
On September 09 2011 05:51 Palmar wrote:
GGQ is by far the better alternative. On September 09 2011 09:06 Palmar wrote:
I'm gonna re-read ggq's posts, iGrok is almost definitely town, so if it comes to it I'll rather support a ggq lynch On September 09 2011 09:27 Palmar wrote:
I actually like him better than GGQ, and iGrok is almost definitely not scum. On September 09 2011 09:34 Palmar wrote:
I said GGQ was less bad a lynch, but that's because iGrok has like ~5% chance of flipping scum. derp. Seriously, Palmar, why is GGQ a bad lynch?
And here is Curu's reply:
Anyone can see that I pressed Palmar for not following on his meta and for providing nothing constructive on GGQ. I don't see a town Curu twisting anyone's words in such a fashion and not responding when called out for it afterwards.
Also, this bit:
On September 09 2011 11:43 Curu wrote:
I actually like TAA a lot less now because of both WBG and xtfftc. WBG has been centering on TAA as a major lynch candidate and asking us to consolidate votes on him while also trying to set me up in the case of TAA flipping Town. I have never seen him pull the stupid speculation of "if x flips Town then his accuser must be scum" in either of the games I was involved with him in.
I have read and re-read WBG's posts about TAA a few times now and I don't see how describing someone as an "acceptable lynch" matches the way Curu presented things. Here's WBG's posts for the lazy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732&user=60039¤tpage=All
So, what Curu did was:
- focus on TAA
- back off from TAA because WBG pointed out Curu's lack of contributions
- and because I called out Palmar for not adjusting his play in order to stop helping the mafia (how is this connected to TAA's lynch?!)
- once the TAA bandwagon was going with full speed, he continued arguing against it
- ... but never proposed another lynch or changed his vote
##Vote: Curu
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lol please point out where I backed off TAA. And you're calling me out for twisting words? It's bad that it isn't even a scumtell that your posting is full of contradictions because I remember you had one just like it in XLIV where you attacked Palmar for stupid shit that didn't make sense.
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