• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:46
CEST 18:46
KST 01:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End6Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!43Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WardiTV Mondays 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
SC4ALL II: Brood War Player Announcement 3/4 - soO Rush's Odyssey Controversy [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End BW General Discussion StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group A Small VOD Thread 2.0 CSLAN 4 is Coming! ASL Season 22 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8277 users

Some Mafia Game - Page 16

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 52 Next
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 09 2011 11:35 GMT
#301
Vigis should not be shooting on Night 1. DT's should be checking Palmar.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
September 09 2011 15:58 GMT
#302
wtf who thought that lynching me was ok?
dr Helvetica <3
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 09 2011 18:42 GMT
#303
I suspect based on Ace's past comments that Vigis suffer a penalty/die if they mis-shoot, so make damn sure of your read if you are planning to shoot. The last thing we need is two extra dead Townies.

I'd like to hear more from sandroba who is playing far below his Town standards thus far.
wat
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
September 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#304
Remember night actions are due in 8 hours
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 09 2011 20:11 GMT
#305
Well obviously don't shoot if you have that kind of a restriction, what specifically makes you believe ace would include such a restriction Curu? Because Ace usually has had no problem himself with shooting dumb town as a vigi.
Computer says mafia
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 09 2011 22:23 GMT
#306
Sandroba you need to explain yourself. You have a few posts suspicious of iGrok and xfttfc then vote TAA out of nowhere (the 4th vote, at that), and have disappeared ever since.

Part of a town player's responsibility is to not appear suspicious, so the town doesn't mislynch them, but you look very blatantly suspicious, and it's now time to change that.



Curu, please inform us as to exactly when you decided that your vote was serious, rather than a game-start random vote.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 09 2011 22:26 GMT
#307
On September 09 2011 14:26 sinani206 wrote:
fuck i missed the vote screw homework

homework didn't stop you from posting in another thread at September 09 2011 09:44. Interesting, that is.

Plus, you could actually start talking about the game now that it's Night 1.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 09 2011 22:27 GMT
#308
^September 09 2011 09:44 (KST) being over 3 hours before the deadline, I might add.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 09 2011 22:32 GMT
#309
bumatlarge, what changed your mind from:
On September 09 2011 08:50 bumatlarge wrote:
I think TheAwesomeAll is mentally ill, but not mafia.

On September 09 2011 11:26 bumatlarge wrote:
##vote: TheAwesomeAll


The post you quote when voting TheAwesomeAll talks about Mig/Palmar, then states "keep it between TAA and iGrok" - but you already had your vote on iGrok. What made you decide to vote for TheAwesomeAll instead?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 09 2011 22:47 GMT
#310
Palmar/Mig:

It's interesting you guys are focusing on attacking each other. Mig, you haven't provided anything else, and your case on Palmar is way too flimsy for you to focus solely on him. Your vote on TheAwesomeAll is also completely unexplained. You have a lot of explaining to do.

Palmar has at least talked about other things, but he slips in two requests for a vigilante to shoot Mig. Are the two of you on different sides and that afraid of each other? I haven't seen this kind of behavior out of both of you when you're both town. Or perhaps you two are both scum bussing each other?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 10 2011 00:28 GMT
#311
yeah so I've been at school all day. Planned on coming back to post my thoughts on the thread.

Good god, everyone did something weird Day 1. We need to sift through this shit now?
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 10 2011 00:58 GMT
#312
My votes against GGQ and TAA were always serious. The one on Palmar was not.

@Palmar
It was in postgame discussion for Personality Mafia, I was complaining about every Town Vig being neutered in dying if they shot Town, Ace said he was thinking about using that mechanic in his upcoming game.
wat
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 10 2011 01:23 GMT
#313
These are people I want to investigate.

Watchlist:

Sandroba, iGrok, Curu, Jackal in that order. Other potentials I've been looking at are JeeJee, GGQ, and Mig, but nothing really stands out to me yet. I'm interested in these last 3 because they had some interesting exchanges with other players that I couldn't really put a finger on.

+ Show Spoiler +
Throw bum in there cause he's always mafia when I play with him :p

+ Show Spoiler +
Although oddly I have a town read on him this game



Sandroba's case is really simple. He's just not acting like he does as town.

What really set off alarms to me, though, was the fact that he found iGrok scummy but never actually voted him.

Then, what's even weirder is that he voted TAA without even putting forth an opinion as to why TAA was scummy to him/iGrok suddenly didn't become scummy.

He goes from this:


On September 08 2011 11:52 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 10:45 sandroba wrote:
On September 08 2011 09:47 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.

You said you were suspicious of me and then gave no reasons. Do you have any?

You pretty much started the shit fest day1 with your arbitrary vote and then tryed to make it seem it had some thought behind it, when it was clearly a random vote. Your response seem to be trying too hard to justify it, instead of just admiting it was shitty reasoning and you were only trying to get discussion going. In sumary your first post didn't sit well with me and your response did not help either.
I'd actually like your opinion on someone that has posted in this thread.


First of all, I didn't "start the shit fest day1".

The shitfest had been going on since Curu voted Palmer pre-game. But that specific shitfest started with WBG's Random Vote.

Second of all


On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.

This is trying hard to justify it?

Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with.

Man iGrok, why so dodgy? Is it wrong of me to interrogate you to try to determine your aligment? You sure don't like the heat do you?


to this:

On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll


With absolutely no clarification inbetween.

He also has had nothing to say about the mislynch, which I find really uncharacteristic of him.

Zona has already pointed out some of this, but I thought it would be worth mentioning again (and adding my own thoughts) since no one seems to be discussing anything.

Moving on to:

iGrok


On September 09 2011 07:26 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 07:11 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
Nice summary, shame it fails to contribute anything. Are you going to defend yourself? Or should we just lynch you? As far as to my true identity, you can *guess* at what it is, but I think you'll be surprised later. Either way, its a moot point, you are scum, and you are not getting anywhere fast by posting a "summary", that as wonderful as posting "lurker lists", a great way for scum to blend in.

Seriously people, can we kill him already?


I don't think either GGQ or JeeJee are scum, but I don't think they're town either, and besides myself, Sandroba, and you, their the only ones who've really done shit so far. I just don't know anything yet. The only person I feel comfortable voting for now is TAA, and that's simply because I have to vote and he's the only guy I've got a partial read on.

Of course, maybe I'm just not as good as you? Or perhaps you have some power that grants you more insight into the game already? Or maybe you're in a QT with 3 other people?


All of iGrok's posts smell a little funny to me. His vote reason for TAA was actually pretty bad, but he got away with it because the bandwagon on TAA was huge.

Does it mean anything? I dunno, iGrok why don't you tell us what you think?

On September 09 2011 07:03 iGrok wrote:
Haha, wow. This game is going to be fun.

I can't have Pressure voted and Random voted. Pick one to accuse me of. But, your first post revealed your true identity, so now I've got something to play off of. So now lets take a look at what else has been going on.

GGQ and JeeJee got into a pissing contest.
chaos13 and wbg gave their opinions of things.
BA finally posts, ~36 hours after I vote for him.
TheAwesomeAll got some attention.

I'm going to vote for TheAwesomeAll, not merely for his incredibly short posts, but for his suspicion of GGQ.
Show nested quote +
for me its because you put so much effort in defending yourself, if iGrok sends sublimal messages hes afraid of the pressure you are literally screaming it. Also in a very interesting game like this you go after the lurkers...

"You're defending yourself so you must be scum!"

##Vote TheAwesomeAll


This post smells like contradiction.

First he starts of with what looks like a path toward accusing Bayonnet. Then he somehow veers in another direction and just slams his vote on the TAA wagon.

I'm going to repeat this quote, but spoiler one part of it.

On September 09 2011 07:03 iGrok wrote:
Haha, wow. This game is going to be fun.

I can't have Pressure voted and Random voted. Pick one to accuse me of. But, your first post revealed your true identity, so now I've got something to play off of. So now lets take a look at what else has been going on.

GGQ and JeeJee got into a pissing contest.
chaos13 and wbg gave their opinions of things.
BA finally posts, ~36 hours after I vote for him.
TheAwesomeAll got some attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm going to vote for TheAwesomeAll, not merely for his incredibly short posts, but for his suspicion of GGQ.
for me its because you put so much effort in defending yourself, if iGrok sends sublimal messages hes afraid of the pressure you are literally screaming it. Also in a very interesting game like this you go after the lurkers...

"You're defending yourself so you must be scum!"

##Vote TheAwesomeAll


So if you just look at the top half of his post, it looks like iGrok is reaffirming his thoughts on Bayonnet. Enough to keep his vote there, right? He says that he has something to play off of based on Bayonnet's "true identity" from his first post.

Then he goes into a summary....??

The problem with this is that, even if he had done only that (and left his vote on Bayonnet) he'd have been fine. But iGrok slipped under the radar by hopping on the TAA bandwagon as it was picking up steam. That allowed him to relieve most of the pressure he was under without actually contributing anything to the town.

You can tell that his last few posts show no signs of anything except wanting to get TAA lynched. He didn't question the lynch, he didn't pursue other possibilities, and he certainly didn't discuss anything.

On to:

Curu:

+ Show Spoiler +
he smells like fish.


Haha you guys can look at our exchange if you wanna see why I think he's scummy.

In recap, he basically started the bandwagon on TAA for no good reason whatsoever, never questioned the fact that his target might be a townie, and never really tried to get information from TAA to determine whether he was scum or not based on his behavior. He just voted and cruised along the rest of the way.

Jackal:

THIS is Jackal's crowning achievement of the game:


On September 09 2011 06:24 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 06:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On September 09 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm feeling pretty good about GGQ or iGrok, unless anyone has some serious issues with the two, I think everyone should start putting your vote on one or the other.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge

of iGrok and GGQ, iGrok is the scummiest but the case against either is pretty bad.

That makes perfect sense/////////// If you're not quite sane.
##VOTE: TheAwesomeAll

I encourage everybody to vote for one of these derps voting for no reason. Pick a couple and we'll consolidate. This game is pure bullshit so far.


Jackal's exchange with chaos made me suspect that he might be town, but then Jackal's usually hard to read day 1 cause he just flies under the radar anyway.

He hasn't contributed anything; in fact, he complained about a shitty town atmosphere while doing nothing to clean it up himself. Then, he jumped on the biggest bandwagon we had yesterday for almost no reason whatsoever. (or at least, a reason that made no sense to me.)
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 10 2011 03:14 GMT
#314
I found the post Curu was talking about.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11037252

I really want to more from sandroba, mig, and sinani.

sandroba's been gone for >24 hours, and he still has to answer for his out of nowhere vote for theawesomeall
sinani's given us nothing to work with
mig's given us nothing but a tunnel on palmar, but I expect a lot more from him.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 10 2011 03:15 GMT
#315
Ack.

I want to HEAR more from sandroba, mig, and sinani.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 10 2011 03:51 GMT
#316
On September 10 2011 07:32 Zona wrote:
bumatlarge, what changed your mind from:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 08:50 bumatlarge wrote:
I think TheAwesomeAll is mentally ill, but not mafia.

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 11:26 bumatlarge wrote:
##vote: TheAwesomeAll


The post you quote when voting TheAwesomeAll talks about Mig/Palmar, then states "keep it between TAA and iGrok" - but you already had your vote on iGrok. What made you decide to vote for TheAwesomeAll instead?


To get a majority. We just barely hit 9. I don't know TAA. My read could have been easily wrong and I was willing to take the risk to ensure we did lynch instead of no lynch.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
September 10 2011 03:52 GMT
#317
Zona I am here!

I voted TAA for the same reasons everyone else did. Inconsistent opinions, contradicting himself and his play was far far below what I know he can play as town. Look at his play in WaW2 (scum) and compare it to his town play in RTM. He can be quite good and do a lot of scum hunting but this game he obviously was putting 0 effort in. But looking back on it it was a dumb vote. I should have put more weight into looking at the people who were on his bandwagon. Curu, Sandroba, palmar, iGrok are the 4 people I am most suspicious of and all of them jumped on TAA very quickly.

Curu and palmar both went out of their way to defend iGrok yesterday. Not only did they defend him saying they thought he was town but Curu then began the TAA bandwagon. His play is extremely similar to XLIV where we were both mafia. I was in danger of being lynched early so curu started up counter lynches against weak targets to save me.
Moderator
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 10 2011 03:52 GMT
#318
If I die, I'd look into the mig and palmar thing, I don't think that's just OMGUS.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
September 10 2011 04:01 GMT
#319
Bum what do you think about curu/sandroba?
Moderator
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#320
On September 10 2011 13:01 Mig wrote:
Bum what do you think about curu/sandroba?


I think they are both talented and smart players, and if either them are doing something wrong they are probably scum. No I haven't the thread thoroughly.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 52 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The Patches Monday
16:15
#3
RotterdaM657
TKL 262
TaKeTV 252
IndyStarCraft 110
SteadfastSC82
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 657
TKL 262
ByuN 262
IndyStarCraft 110
SteadfastSC 82
ProTech73
UpATreeSC 33
RushiSC 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4705
Shuttle 1392
BeSt 728
Mini 538
Soma 359
Stork 293
Soulkey 277
Larva 247
ggaemo 160
Mong 156
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 102
sSak 51
Hyun 51
sorry 27
Bale 22
Terrorterran 18
yabsab 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
qojqva4225
Counter-Strike
x6flipin1072
pashabiceps755
ceh9397
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0129
Other Games
singsing1908
Liquid`RaSZi1609
FrodaN811
Beastyqt706
B2W.Neo679
Hui .160
ToD118
ArmadaUGS108
Livibee96
QueenE78
Mew2King55
KnowMe54
Trikslyr39
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 49
• mYiSmile126
• Reevou 1
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 24
• Pr0nogo 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1331
League of Legends
• Jankos2698
• TFBlade953
Other Games
• Shiphtur304
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
17h 14m
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
18h 14m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 17h
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
The Patches Monday
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 4
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.