On August 28 2011 23:02 chaos13 wrote:Warning - Wall of text on JeeJee.
Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so:
NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario.
If anyone needs more evidence that JeeJee is scum, here it is. He's discouraging mafia hunting and simultaneously puts on a show of mafia hunting. Since EA is a standalone third party role (doesn't know any other role/alignments, no other role alignments know EA) the only way that Cyber could be distancing himself from Ferryman is if they are mafia together. Just one sentence before he discourages people trying to find mafia, saying that apparently it's better to find the EA.
And now a summary of his interactions with players. Quotes are in spoilers so this post is actually readable.
Slight attack of sevryn for a pro-EA plan.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 24 2011 05:28 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 03:21 Sevryn wrote:
What if we just have everyone claim they checked someone everyday
so that way the psych doesn't have to claim but when he dies we can go back and see who he has checked.
i dont like this. this is only helpful if psych visits EA first, and we don't know if that happens.
i.e. if psych claimed "im gonna visit A" and commits suicide because EA visited him, everyone would think that A is EA, wasting a lynch.
plus obviously doc has to lie about his target so it doesn't help to narrow down EA in the case of insane doc kills,
and this helps EA since he never visits anyone who claims to visit him (possible 2x insane in one night), plus EA will know that the person who claimed to visit him isn't a psych, narrowing down his search twice as fast.
this is an awfully pro-EA plan -.^
- Attacking Cyber_Cheese for pushing a plan that has already been explained (by JeeJee) to be pro-EA. Pushes pretty hard against this guy but doesn't vote him.
Post #2- Quizzing Cyber_Cheese a bit, but not attacking him anymore. Just requesting more information. Points out Errandor's inactive playstyle.
Post #3- Pushes Cyber even harder, even to the point of voting for him. No new information came up between his earlier posts and this one. The only difference is that other players were starting to pick up steam on Cyber, voting for him and accusing him. This means it was safe for a mafia to hop on the bandwagon he started.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror.
It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that.
I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror
That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same.
I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so
##Unvote
Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think?
I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go
##Vote: TheFerryman
Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat.
Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game.
wtf@this post
i already pointed out why the plan of everyone claiming a target is extremely pro-EA and pro-scum and doesnt help the town AT ALL. the fact that you're still suggesting it is mindboggling. it's a particularly dangerous plan because it actually sounds good before you think about it.
i wanted to go back and see if there's a case to be made against you, but tnkted already pointed out the bandwagon hopping. i wanna add this though which i think is more damning than hopping:
Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so:
NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario.
On August 25 2011 05:41 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 03:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
at the moment, i'm believing wiggles is the horror
why?
Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 04:32 Erandorr wrote:
Okay IM back and catching up now. I will post as soon as I have a clear opinion
an hour later...
On August 25 2011 06:54 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
this raises a question
Can visiting roles choose to do nothing?
If so, the ideas good and psych sits at home
this raises a better question
why do you keep bringing up this idea of coordinating a psych decision?
*everyone votes for psych to visit A*
*psych has committed suicide*
"Ah, A must be EA!"
*Lynch A*
*A is not EA because EA visited psych and not vice versa*
Now what?
you're here quite often, you make a lot of posts. but all i'm seeing is that you want to kill someone, and you don't care who as long as it's not yourself. i'm seeing useless lists and pushing flawed plans. i'm seeing nonsense.
##vote:cyber cheese He attacks Cyber more in his next post or two, until Cyber reworks his plan. Remember that JeeJee's only explanation for voting Cyber was based on the scumminess of the earlier plans. Note the lack of an unvote here, and that he still tunnels Cyber, asking for more of his thoughts.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 06:49 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Alright I hate to bring this up yet again, but I believe I've taken all the cons out of it in it's current implementation, and as such I fear it's been dismissed too soon
+ Show Spoiler [Breadcrumbing Revisited] +
The doc does not breadcrumb, straightforward.
The previous version was the rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror
The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit
So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously?
e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH
I'm saying town should agree on who the psych should visit and no-one should breadcrumb themselves
essentially turning psych into a group role to avoid the being singled out as did/did not visit
psych dying could correlate to a) psych visited horror, b) horror visited psych or c) mafia attacked psych
if psyche is sane when he dies, we can rule out c, but c could happen the same night as a or b
if we don't know who the psych visits, we don't get any information on who EH might be, if we do, it's a 50/50
Bear in mind that if we can't prepare a strong argument for the person being the EH, we can still leave it at that and not lynch, and if we vote for the psych he can just not visit that night
Thoughts? Opinions?
on the caveat that you don't auto-lynch anyone if psych ends up suiciding, then it's workable to try and find out who is the EA. we could use the psych as an EA-cop. i'm in for this.
but you've been posting a lot about plans and not a lot about people, so what do you think about sevryn and palmar's unvote?
Next bit is not spoilered because these posts really need to be read.
This is where things get really interesting. Previous to this he has ignored almost everything else that's going on to focus on Cyber. He completely ignored the Wiggles/Ferryman situation, the chaos/tnkted sitiuation, and Palmar's craziness. Something about this set him off, however.
Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted.
how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted?
Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:I'll buy that Ferryman. Makes more sense to me than the EH push.
On August 26 2011 08:16 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted.
how is sevryn remotely related to tnkted?
Subtle disconnects.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2011 02:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I believe it's in towns best interests to randomly lynch from the get-go, as I've stated a few times in now, so I've been following bandwagons to try and put a lynch through
If I happen to be lynched because of it, so be it, at least towns not wasting a chance to lynch
its in scums best interest for town to randomly lynch and ignore scum slips while i was reading the thread i was going to do a write up on CyberCheese however tnkted beat me to it this guy self admitted to jumping on bandwagons. he plays the IDC if i get lynched card this guy is scum.
##vote Cyber_Cheese not sure if serious.. all that post shows is sevryn going "I was going to make a case against CC but tnkted did it already"
i did pretty much the same thing, am I related now too?
Something about Jackal touching on the subject of sevryn/tnkted makes JeeJee feel the need to jump to their defense. sevryn's defense specifically. Note that he said "How is
sevryn remotely related to tnkted?", not "How is tnkted related to sevryn?"
My questions at this point
1) Why is it a bad thing for sevryn to be related to tnkted?
2) Why does JeeJee feel the need to defend sevryn from Jackal?
Question 2 has a simple answer. Question 1 is a little more confusing.
JeeJee has had some interactions with sevryn, but nothing telling. The only thing notable about them is that he's very sparing in interacting with people. It was just Cyber until Jackal came in with this, and one post exchanged with sevryn at the very beginning of the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 09:35 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Cyber cheese is on the right track. Kind of. Psych visit Mr. Wiggles. If Psych dies we lynch Wiggles. Now let's continue hunting scum.
If tnkted is scum so is Palmar and Sevryn. Lynch tnkted.
Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope.
Psych visit who you want to visit but if we tell the psych to visit Wiggles for one Wiggles is someone who has a higher chance than normal to be the EA IMO and by telling the Psych who to visit each day the EA visits someone else and his job of find the psych goes twice as fast making his win condition easier to fulfill.
yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides.
On August 26 2011 10:27 JeeJee wrote:who would you like psych to visit?
same question @ eii
This next one is more interacting with sevryn, and is also the post he claimed mafia in. It's content has been ignored so far because we've all been focused on the crumb. Take a second look at it.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 03:33 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 10:42 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 10:27 JeeJee wrote:On August 26 2011 10:20 Sevryn wrote:On August 26 2011 09:45 JeeJee wrote:
yeah no, this doesn't apply to this variation at all. ea cannot assume that the person we tell the psych to visit isn't the psych. this variation is workable, provided we don't auto-lynch anyone just because psych suicides.
okay that actually makes sense
who would you like psych to visit?
same question @ eii
me that way I know he doesn't die first night and he knows I'm not the horror
indeed, this is an interesting point. making sure that the scenario where ea/psych visit one another is accounted for properly is all we've focused on, but the most likely thing to happen is that neither will visit another. someone's basically not-EA if that happens
checking palmar is the best idea i think. under the assumption that psych decides to follow the plan (i dont see why he wouldnt), i'd be hella more comfortable knowing palmar's not the EA. my other suggestion is wiggles.
On August 27 2011 00:26 Curu wrote:
It's Eldritch Abomination not Eldritch Horror!!!!!
ugh, you read my mind. my god, where did the 'horror' come from. and like everyone's saying it too. damn shit annoys me :<
##visit palmar What stands out to you? Who died last night?
Here he throws out some information and suspicions that he hasn't come close to mentioning before. Apparently Palmar is the EA, for reasons he fails to explain, and Wiggles his second option, again with a failure to explain. But if they killed him last night, why would he want the psych to check Palmar? The options I can see are
1) Mafia want to take out the EA so they aren't targeted, and gain town cred. JeeJee/scum team thinks Palmar is EA.
2) Mafia want town to derp and keep EA alive, JeeJee/scum team thinks Palmar is not EA.
Maybe someone with a more devious mind can work this one out. Maybe it's just wifom. I've pointed it out and can't quite figure it out.
It's after this that Jackal points out the crumb and JeeJee goes into "Oh shit that was stupid" mode.
I would like to go back to the two questions I had about sevryn, tnkted, and JeeJee. For reference those were
1) Why is it a bad thing for sevryn to be related to tnkted?
2) Why does JeeJee feel the need to defend sevryn from Jackal?
The simple answer to question 2 is -
*drumroll*
sevryn is JeeJee's scumbuddy.
So back to 1) Why is it a bad thing for sevryn to be related to tnkted?
Well we have to remember, tnkt was getting a lot of suspicion yesterday, and a lot of votes. It seemed likely that he would be lynched. The only sort of lynch it would be bad to be connected to is a red one. A mafia will never want to be connected to another mafia lynch, except to push it as hard as they can.
My guess at mafia team right now.
JeeJee
sevryn
tnkted
Of these three, my thoughts have changed since yesterday and I am least sure of tnkted. I also have to examine sevryn's posts more thoroughly, but there is a clear connection between him and JeeJee.
EPT
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