EPTTL Mafia XLIV - Page 86
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
These things I've just listed have nothing to do with Mig's alignment. I believe that if Mig was town, his response to my analysis against BrownBear would be "Foolishness you're wrong, I'm not linked to BrownBear. However all your other points about BrownBear are really condemning. Let's kill BrownBear and I'll prove myself to you." Even if you are a tracker why would you be so adamant about getting chaos13 killed when you know perfectly well that most everyone here would gladly lynch BrownBear? Of course chaos13 is 95% mafia if you really are a tracker, but that would be something you would post before day ends in case we lynch you. BrownBear is your replacement lynch, not chaos13. My point is that you failed to comment about the case against BrownBear. Just like BrownBear failed to comment about the case against you. Just like everyone else in my mafia list (Rayzor, Vain, Barundar, Erandorr) failed to comment about you. When I'm mafia I hate having to talk about my mafia buddies in the thread, because it's so hard to fake an opinion when you know the truth. The analysis I've done this game is centered around the ideas that mafia hate having to take a firm stance about an issue, and that mafia hate having to talk about their members. As Mig pointed out, I was hesitant today to respond to Mig's posts because I feel like I cannot objectively read them. Anything I read of Mig's I just see the mafia in him. But other people (particularly Curu and wherebugsgo) have been able to analyze his arguments today without the subjectivity that I have, and they still want to kill Mig. That's all the proof I need that Mig is the correct lynch choice today. ##Vote: Mig I still want to hear from people about nard, Lucidity, and Trotske/iGrok (those who haven't given their opinions yet). | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Just like BrownBear failed to comment about the case against you. Just like everyone else in my mafia list (Rayzor, Vain, Barundar, Erandorr) failed to comment about you. What did I fail to comment on? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Trotske looks like a Townie who just afked to me. He wasn't afraid to make original contributions in calling Foolishness scum, though his argument was pretty much stretching a joke Foolishness made into looking like the truth and then calling Foolishness scummy for it. I think iGrok's continued play will give a much better picture of him. Lucidity is pretty antagonistic but does go out of his way to argue points not related to his own self defense, I'd lean slightly Town on him. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On August 27 2011 01:46 chaoser wrote: What bullshit, mig is obviously lying. He claims tracker, says he's got breadcrumbs but if you look, all of them are from the PREVIOUS DAY. Basically he's mafia, got scared cause he was close to lynch until some of this mafia friends fucked with the lynch yesterday so he thought up a fake claim plan over the night to save his ass.Lynch him please! We've gone three days without lynching him and letting him get away, don't let him get away again! I don't like this. Those breadcrumbs were from the previous day in real time, but they were still after Night 2 in game time. He wasn't a candidate on Day 1 either as you are claiming. Basically this post is completely useless. The vote switching that took place was also driven by two fake claiming townies imo. Not by scum. BB voting 5th even... I have just read today's posts and the more I read the less sure I became of Mig's alignment. I don't feel comfortable lynching him over BrownBear, especially after that claim. If we leave Mig alone we force scum to deal with him instead. In addition to this, actually going for chaos13 today would yield us 1 Mafia if he flips green. chaos13 has claimed VT, so Mig is doomed if he lied. 1 scum for 1 green is a pretty decent trade. chaos13 isn't a bad lynch to begin with, so if we're going to deal with the Mig/chaos13 situation I think we should lynch chaos13 first. If we're going for who is scummiest, I'd say that would be BrownBear. I feel like people have been tunneling Mig today. While reading wherebugsgo's analysis on Mig I didn't really agree with anything in it, it was pure tunneling/scum painting. Basically every action, whether townie or null was turned in to some elaborate plan as a scuMig. I've also done this before with Mig when he was Town, because I respected him as a player, but it turns out my elaborate paranoid theories were wrong. I'm trying to be less paranoid now. In addition to this Palmar was very sure that BB was scum and Mig was town. I respect Palmar as a player and thus this does influence my opinion quite a bit. I think the best course of action would be to lynch BB today. (Go read Foolishness' case again. Although I don't really agree with the Mig connection...) Leave Mig and chaos13 until tomorrow. The night actions should give us more information to work with. Even if you believe that Mig and BB are equally scummy, Mig's claim should immediately put him lower on the priority list than BB. If Mig was lying he can still be dealt with later. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
##Vote Brownbear | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:19 Lucidity wrote: I realise that this is a Friday, but we're all watching MLG anyway, so no excuses for not being here for the next 6 hours. Yep, I'll be here at least for the next three hours, even if I don't stay up until the deadline, so we should be able to gain a majority for the vote. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
1 scum for 1 green is a pretty decent trade. chaos13 isn't a bad lynch to begin with, so if we're going to deal with the Mig/chaos13 situation I think we should lynch chaos13 first. Problem with this logic is a scum 1 for 1 trade is actually beneficial for mafia if they waste a town lynch at this point. I agree it is bold move, the counter argument would be that he felt he had to do something drastic today or die. I feel like one of Mig/chaoser has to be scum due to balance concerns and their opposite opinions this game, and I can see town and mafia traits with regards to both of them. Today it really comes down to Mig gunning for chaos13, who IMO plays very different from when he was scum last I played with him, and chaoser going directly for Mig. The boldest move of the two is chaoser's imo. In addition Mig seems to have given up, so I don't see much of an option than to go with chaoser and hope for the best. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
BrownBear lynch will not happen today if he is scum. So if you are a townie, vote Mig. A majority agrees that both are scum, but have a LOT of votes on Mig already. Make it happen. Don't let there be a no-lynch. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:22 iGrok wrote: Alright, I've got a bit of time before hurricane hits, so let me get this straight. BrownBear lynch will not happen today if he is scum. So if you are a townie, vote Mig. A majority agrees that both are scum, but have a LOT of votes on Mig already. Make it happen. Don't let there be a no-lynch. Please consider that we do not have a mass-voteswitch-proof majority yet on Mig. That's why I'm asking all townies to vote together on this one. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:22 iGrok wrote: Alright, I've got a bit of time before hurricane hits, so let me get this straight. BrownBear lynch will not happen today if he is scum. So if you are a townie, vote Mig. A majority agrees that both are scum, but have a LOT of votes on Mig already. Make it happen. Don't let there be a no-lynch. You care to explain this one broski? I'm starting to like a BrownBear lynch now | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On August 26 2011 22:40 Mig wrote: Just kill chaos after I flip. I have done my part. Actually that's not a town Mig post at all :/ | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:42 Lucidity wrote: scumatlarge is taking over from BB's lurker defence too. If you wouldn't mind I hope you put your vote on Mig before the deadline to prevent a mafia vote switch that causes a no lynch. Yes I'm paranoid. yes I'm second guessing myself. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
I'll put my vote on the leading candidate before I go to bed, but for now I'd still like to try and get a BB lynch going. Why is everyone AFK? | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:25 Foolishness wrote: You care to explain this one broski? I'm starting to like a BrownBear lynch now After reading my second post, do you still need me to explain this? I doubt there will be enough activity to change the lynch from Mig to anyone else. Much more likely is a nolynch. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 27 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote: That would basically confirm them as mafia though. I'll put my vote on the leading candidate before I go to bed, but for now I'd still like to try and get a BB lynch going. Why is everyone AFK? If they have a vigi they might be able to end the game a little sooner then we all anticipate On August 27 2011 07:05 iGrok wrote: After reading my second post, do you still need me to explain this? I doubt there will be enough activity to change the lynch from Mig to anyone else. Much more likely is a nolynch. uhhh...I was more referring to how your first post sounded extremely silly...and by silly I mean suspicious | ||
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